Everyone Goes to Heaven

[Jack]

Hi Jack. I am a Christian, thus I use Bible verses. I don't see what the problem here is?

"Christians don't just pick the verses they like!"

And that's exactly what you are doing!

 

[Jack]

Jack my friend, have you not seen my comments that I have provided for your verses? Whatever verses that I choose for my daily entries are ones that I just so happen to choose. So I posted my commentary on the Matthew 25:46 verse since I believe that's one you would suggest. God bless!

Doesn't it bother that you may be leading your loved ones to Hell with you?

 

[Ritajanice]

Hi Rita

[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;" as Matthew 7 reveals. But for how long will they be unable to enter the kingdom of Heaven. We see this length of time will depend on how long they remains as one solely born of Adam. One who has not yet been born of Christ. But surely, all shall be born of Christ.

It's not merely saying "Lord, Lord" to enter the kingdom of Heaven. One may claim to be Christian outwardly, verbally, but if they do not believe in Christ, then they are not saved, no matter how many times they repeat the word "Lord"

Colossians 3:11 KJBWhere there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Colossians 3:11 - Putting on the New Self

Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all.

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I agree with John 3:3-8 KJB, specifically, how a person must be born again to see the kingdom of God, they must believe in Christ to be saved. Therefore, everyone will eventually be born again, because, everyone has been born at first. All humans have been phyiscally born of Adam and thus all humans will then be spiritually born of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:22 KJB For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22 - The Order of Resurrection

For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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God bless!

I have posted the word of God.

Not everyone will see the Kingdom of God...you have added to God’s word.

They must be birthed in the Spirit, then they are saved...it says you must be “ Born Again”...which is an act of God ....

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Jack]

Personally, I think there will be LOTS of Universalists burning in Hell "forever and ever".

 

[RayaJade]

Christian Universalism attests to the agape love, righteousness, wisdom, justice, mercy, compassion, omnipotence of God. God who will have all to be saved, is able to accomplish this. He has all power and He is able to bring all into subjection of His perfect sovereign will in His own time. God bless.


1 Timothy 4:10

For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all mankind, especially of believers.



Eventually all of creation is to experience this deliverance as the apostle Paul tells us in Romans 8.


18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [n]in ** hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. NAS

**hope=elpis=confidence, expectation


Ephesians 1

7 In [g]Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He [h]lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He [j]made known to us the mystery of His **will, according to His [k]kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration [l]suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the **summing up of all things in Christ, things [m]in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 [n]also we [o]have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in [p]Christ would be to the praise of His glory.


**Will-Thelema=resolve, the will of God which must be done, what one wishes or has determined what shall be done (Greek Hebrew Word Study Bible and Strongs)

**Summing up = anakephalaioomai-to gather together again in one, to reunite in or under one head


**Counsel- Boule-will, intention, decree, decision, plan

 

[Ritajanice]

I agree Ritajanice my friend, when you say that a person must be Born Again, where they must be birthed in the Spirit to be saved.

You say that "not everyone will see the Kingdom of God", yet let us see what scripture tells us:
Phil. 2:10:11 "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

I said no such thing @Harold ....I have quoted the “ Living “ word of God.

Shows us that all in Heaven, in Earth, will give glory to God the Father. How can a person truly give glory to God if they are not Born Again? Will not all people have the Holy Spirit in order to praise God? There is nothing praiseworthy about those who still have sin and eternal concious torment and annihlationism are doctrines where a person's sin remains unclean. Only in Christian Universalism are all the world's sins truly removed! This is God's desire. God bless

It shows no such thing, @Harold ....it’s showing what imo and with respect....what “ YOU” say....

Will not all people have the Holy Spirit in order to praise God.....show me where it says what “ you” say in God’s word.....?

God’s word says......again, please don’t add your own words....they count for nothing.


1Timothy.

3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God,a 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be savedb and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
John 3:3

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

We see here

We see your words @Harold ....all of “ your “ wishes and desires.....I too would love to see every single person “ birthed in the Spirit “......Born Again.......unfortunately....it’s not my word nor your word that stands....only God’s word.

If you want to continue quoting scripture and adding your own words to it, then feel free to do so.....I’ve quoted the word of God....and 100% don’t agree with your understanding of God’s word...enjoy the rest of your day......

 

[St. SteVen]

Christian Universalism attests to the agape love, righteousness, wisdom, justice, mercy, compassion, omnipotence of God. God who will have all to be saved, is able to accomplish this. He has all power and He is able to bring all into subjection of His perfect sovereign will in His own time. God bless.

Great post, thanks.
Welcome to the forum.
Watch for posts from @Patrick1966 @Chadrho @Hillsage and myself @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

Christian Universalism attests to the agape love, righteousness, wisdom, justice, mercy, compassion, omnipotence of God.

Please share more about your view of the justice of God.
Tell us how justice works if everyone is saved in the end. Thanks.
(this is not a rebuttal, pretty sure we are in agreement)
Maybe I should launch a topic and invite you.

 

[Jack]

Satan LOVES Universalism!

Revelation 21
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Christian Universalism attests to the agape love, righteousness, wisdom, justice, mercy, compassion, omnipotence of God.

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In The
Lord Jesus Christ And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided ( I and II ). PG rated "Approved" *

Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love

PG = Perfect God / Parental Guidance

 

[RayaJade]

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In The
Lord Jesus Christ And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided ( I and II ). PG rated "Approved" *

Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love

PG = Perfect God / Parental Guidance

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Thank you very much, God bless.

 

[RayaJade]

Please share more about your view of the justice of God.
Tell us how justice works if everyone is saved in the end. Thanks.
(this is not a rebuttal, pretty sure we are in agreement)
Maybe I should launch a topic and invite you.

Hi, I believe that the justice of God involves correction. I do not believe that justice involves infinite punishment but that it has a purpose for the betterment of the individual. I believe that many will experience the righteous judgments of God which are part of process of the restoration of all to God in the end. I believe that we reap what we sow, that we experience the consequences for our actions/works but this leads to correction. I am still studying this with God's help. God bless.

 

[MatthewG]

Sure. Everyone goes to the heavenly realm but not everyone desires to dwell in the light.

 

[MatthewG]

Hi Harold,

if you wonder what it is I believe, I believe God allows people to choose for themselves. No, not everyone will.

 

[Jack]

I will not stop promoting Christian Universalism.

Yes you will.

Matt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

Again, I will not stop promoting Christian Universalism.

You certainly will!

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack,

Again, I will not stop promoting Christian Universalism. Same quotes

Matthew 25:41 - The Sheep and the Goats

Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

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eternal
αἰώνιον (aiōnion)
Strong's 166: From aion;

aion means age. aionion is an inflection of the word aion. aionion means pertaining to an age. therefore, aionion does not mean an unlimited duration, because this age is that of a limited duration

Revelation 20:10 - Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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Again, we see the same aionion here
ever.
αἰώνων (aiōnōn)
Strong's 165: From the same as aei; properly, an age

so same explanation. age, limited, inflected as aionion, still limited.

God bless Jack

You will indeed!

Matthew 25:46 (ESV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Same Greek word! NEVER ending!

 

[Michaelwestbrook828]

God loves us enough to not force us into an eternity spent in his presence. simply put the Gospel of salvation is for all who believe!!
that is truth>

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.​

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[Jack]

Yesterday Aug 23 2023 my mother initiated conversation with me with her shouting as I calmly replied with love, as usual. Before, she wanted me to stop writing Bible verses, now she wants me to stop reading the Bible by myself. I ask her if I can still read the Bible at church and she tells me no, that I should leave Bible interpretation to those with high IQ in the church.



```1 Cor 3:20 KJB And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. ```



“Even your goal, you cannot make logic anymore. There’s no logic anymore there.” she tells me.



“It’s like where is your intelligence now? What happen to your intelligence? It’s taken from the Bible?!” my mother shouts at me, saying this is God’s punishment to me.



“You’re throwing words on the Bible to me and just using that as explanation. Where’s your logic? It’s gone. And that, if you don’t have logic, that’s the problem. You’re like a child who did not study at all. You’re just like a child who did not go to school. You have no intelligence, no logic.” my mother says



My mother tells me that I have a smaller brain and she has a bigger brain than me. She states that her IQ is higher than mine and that my IQ is lower, calling me delusional.



Thus, my mom tells me this story. When she was in the Philippines, there was a boy who stopped attending church. She visited his house and he just sitting there, verbally saying Bible verses. She felt goosebumps and this boy was later taken to the mental hospital.



My mother tells me this same goosebump feeling she felt while watching the fictional anime series Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood with my sister and I. She described it as a scene where they were in a cave and I think there was the bad guy. I tell her I don’t remember this scene and she says my memory is deteriorating.



She tells me that she feels these same goosebumps when she sees me. She states that she can see the future and that no one will like me, that I will end up in a mental hospital.



My mother tells me I am going down the drain, like to the darkness, that I will not be successful, that I will end up like, who she rudely calls the “bums on the street”. Those people on the street? They’re my friends, I talk with them about Christianity, and truly I tell you, I feel more kindness from them than from my own mother here! Why do I evangelize? Why do I tell people to believe in Christ to gain permanent life, that all will? It’s for the sake of their smiles. The genuine feeling of happiness I could sense when talking to these people about the Bible. I will not stop promoting Christian Universalism.

You should have minded your mother Harold.

 

[Jack]

Yesterday, Aug 23 2023. My mother takes my handwritten Bible verses. She removes the papers I hid under my socks, and in my pocket, and a pen too. But I had another pen and ran to a washroom to use the paper towel rolls to write my UR Bible verses on to spread in public.



I return home and my mother thinks I had stolen this pen, but I tell her I brought it with me from inside. Without evidence, both views exist in the realm of possibility.



```Exodus 20:15 JPS Tanakh 1917 Thou shalt not steal. ```



I learned recently that Exodus 20:15 commandment on “stealing” is specifically referring to “manstealing” aka kidnapping, and not necessarily the taking of private property. We see the spiritual forces of evil as the manstealer, as they have taken us away from a relationship with God due to sin.



In order for God to reverse the Exodus 20:15 commandment, all those who were kidnapped into sin, must be permanently freed, the slaves must be definitively liberated, which is only possible by faith alone in Jesus Christ.



For as long as Infernalism and Annihlationism is true, then these stolen people continue to be trapped, either in permanent torture or permanent death. Only through Universal Reconciliation in Christ can all of humanity be rescured from the Manstealer, the Kidnapper, Sin.

If you had heeded your Mother's advice, maybe you wouldn't be following the LGBTQ lunatics to Hell fire.