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[justbyfaith]

You get the baptism of the Holy Spirit when you repent. You're making water baptism a work.

Let's not derail the thread. We can talk about this elsewhere. I don't believe that water baptism is a work, fyi.

 

[justbyfaith]

We as His sheep are to recognize His voice and NOT the voices of strangers.

See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

Some who think that they are in with Jesus really are not, Matthew 7:21. If they consider therefore, the voice of them who are trying to bring them to Jesus as strangers, then they are considering Jesus who is speaking to them through those vessels, to be a stranger.

Some who are certain that they have Jesus with them regardless of the fact that they deny certain things that He said in His word, are banking on the idea that they can have a relationship with someone and also deny that what He says is true. Maybe you do have a relationship with Him; but it can't be a very good one because you are insulting Him by calling Him a liar.

 

[CoreIssue]

@justbyfaith @CoreIssue @Prayer Warrior

As you seem to be the main "correctors" of Jane Doe and everyone else here ...it is showing as obvious that you really do believe that you, and you alone can see all Truth perfectly. ..and stand in the place of correctors.....
....and that rest of us don't have a clue which end is up...and can't possibly 'real correct Christians'....like you. Hope you enjoy your elevated self proclaimed positions.

And I see you are truthfully wrong in your deduction, speaking only for myself.

What I can say is I have decades more study than many here.

As well I am not just reciting denominational doctrine as some are.

I'm not going to play stupid just to make somebody else feel good.

If throwing mud is the best you can do you do not have an argument against me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your Amil, a very non-literal set of beliefs.

 

[Helen]

And I see you are truthfully wrong in your deduction, speaking only for myself.

What I can say is I have decades more study than many here.

As well I am not just reciting denominational doctrine as some are.

I'm not going to play stupid just to make somebody else feel good.

If throwing mud is the best you can do you do not have an argument against me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your Amil, a very non-literal set of beliefs.

1) Okay, what on earth does "non-literal set of beliefs" mean?
What on earth is a literal set of beliefs then? We know the bible is a spiritual book, which is spiritually understood!!

2) Okay, when was the day that you were born again?
Mine was August 23 1964.

3) Okay, How much of your 'studies'...( which you have told us about many many times before, so you are quite proud of them) ... were via your mind and your brain, and how much was via the hearing ear of the ear and the Spirit of God, line upon line, precept upon precept.

When the chips are down "much learning" won't advance you one inch or move you to the head on the line.

 

[CoreIssue]

1) Okay, what on earth does "non-literal set of beliefs" mean?
What on earth is a literal set of beliefs then? We know the bible is a spiritual book, which is spiritually understood!!

2) Okay, when was the day that you were born again?
Mine was August 23 1964.

3) Okay, How much of your 'studies'...( which you have told us about many many times before, so you are quite proud of them) ... were via your mind and your brain, and how much was via the hearing ear of the ear and the Spirit of God, line upon line, precept upon precept.

When the chips are down "much learning" won't advance you one inch or move you to the head on the line.

No, the Bible is a literal book of words that contain at least three levels of understanding that we need the Holy Spirit to help us to see. But it also requires you using your brain to learn, process and retain.

So, it is understood both intellectually and spiritually.

I don't remember the exact day, but it was in 1961.

You cannot separate learning with the mind and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. To do that is what led to Gnosticism in the past.

You have to give the Holy Spirit something to work with. I studied tons of history, archaeology, science, Hebrew word meanings and more. God gave me a hunger for knowledge.

In example, why is knowing the science of the fall of the walls of Jericho important? Why is understanding evolution important? Why is understanding the beliefs of cults and other religions important?

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, this is so. Remember and come out of any place of confusion!

We as His sheep are to recognize His voice and NOT the voices of strangers. The voice of a stranger may originate in our own heart... How do we avoid that? [see Matt 25:32-45]

we trust God.. there is no other way, if we are troubled at the fact we might make mistakes, than we will never take the chance and never go forward. I have jsu completed 2 rides from where I live to Patonga. always wanted to do it, mate set me a challenge as HE wants to try it, So Thursday I gave it a shot. for some it might be easy, at 56 on a hybrid bike with camera gear in my bags, and 180m climb over 3.5 km pretty much on my lowest gear, but i have now done it twice without stopping, couldnt have done it 2 months ago, and coming back much steeper climb over shorter distance. Now I could of said no its 2 hard but I tried anyway. My first ride to the entrance 92 km round trip, i walked up half the hills, now I ride up the lot, I could of given up, by I persisted, seems that is the way with Gods children, Funny thing is I have discovered something new i never thought of, the only loosers in a race are those who never start, doesnt matter where you come 1st or last, as long as you try you are a winner.

God bless

 

[amadeus]

What your description offers is that they never die. Eternal torment by its very nature means (ye shall not surely die). I am simply relating to you what scripture says in its simplest sense. The Hebrew expressions 'for ever and ever' do not express eternality, but to the end of a specific time, and in this context, until they're dead. They, sinners, are fuel for the fire. When the fuel is spent, what happens to the fire?

Yes, I first heard this taught quite a few years ago. It clarified a few things for me.
Give God the glory!

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes, I first heard this taught quite a few years ago. It clarified a few things for me.
Give God the glory!

For ever and ever can mean a period of time, but it can also mean eternity.

The lake of fire is not a natural fire. Nor are the bodies consumed.

Revelation 14:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

If it is not eternal then they will rest from determine.

Annihilation is nowhere taught in the Bible.

The Holy Spirit will be with us forever. So that means for only a certain length of time?

Same love the truth will be with us forever.

In Jesus Christ will be the same forever is not true?

Philippians 4:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 To our God and Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[amadeus]

@justbyfaith @CoreIssue @Prayer Warrior

As you seem to be the main "correctors" of Jane Doe and everyone else here ...it is showing as obvious that you really do believe that you, and you alone can see all Truth perfectly. ..and stand in the place of correctors.....
....and that rest of us don't have a clue which end is up...and can't possibly 'real correct Christians'....like you. Hope you enjoy your elevated self proclaimed positions.

Unfortunately, some people cannot hear us nor can they really hear God because they love their own conclusions more than the whole truth which only God has. We are accused of being uncommitted or less than fully sincere followers of Christ. I guess I won't answer all of the latest posts and accusations on this thread.

Our friend @bbyrd009 might speak here about those absolute truths that some people insist that they know. How can we fight against that? Until a person, even a believer, admits that he still falls short of God's glory and God's truth, how can he ever grow? A person cannot by himself grow in or toward God and a person who insists he already has absolute truth on any point blocks or quenches the Holy Spirit thereby limiting God Himself. We need to pray that God will let them see what it is that they are doing...

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

 

[amadeus]

1) Okay, what on earth does "non-literal set of beliefs" mean?
What on earth is a literal set of beliefs then? We know the bible is a spiritual book, which is spiritually understood!!

2) Okay, when was the day that you were born again?
Mine was August 23 1964.

3) Okay, How much of your 'studies'...( which you have told us about many many times before, so you are quite proud of them) ... were via your mind and your brain, and how much was via the hearing ear of the ear and the Spirit of God, line upon line, precept upon precept.

When the chips are down "much learning" won't advance you one inch or move you to the head on the line.

No, the "much learning" with our own minds alone is a weariness of the flesh...

 

[CoreIssue]

No, the "much learning" with our own minds alone is a weariness of the flesh...

So you have no nothing you can use to witness to atheists, cults and other religions.

Paul, on the street of idols started with talking about their religions and led them around Christ.

That required a knowledge of what they believed and the craftsmanship they use to make idols.

 

[brakelite]

Unfortunately, some people cannot hear us nor can they really hear God because they love their own conclusions more that the whole truth which only God has. We are accused of being uncommitted or less than fully sincere followers of Christ. I guess I won't answer all of the latest posts and accusations on this thread.

Our friend @bbyrd009 might speak here about those absolute truths that some people insist that they know. How can we fight against that? Until a person, even a believer, admits that he still falls short of God's glory and God's truth, how can he ever grow? A person cannot by himself grow in or toward God and a person who insists he already has absolute truth on any point blocks or quenches the Holy Spirit thereby limiting God Himself. We need to pray that God will let them see what it is that they are doing...

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

It is curious that most of those commenting would clarify themselves as non denominational. Yet they behave and act like popes. And dare I say it, would, of they had the power, behave like intolerant priests every bit as much as a mediaeval inquisitor condemning all they considered"heretics.
They give no consideration to the possibility they may be wrong. Infallible.

You believe the Archangel Michael, a created being, became Jesus.

No, I do not.

 

[CoreIssue]

It is curious that most of those commenting would clarify themselves as non denominational. Yet they behave and act like popes. And dare I say it, would, of they had the power, behave like intolerant priests every bit as much as a mediaeval inquisitor condemning all they considered"heretics.
They give no consideration to the possibility they may be wrong. Infallible.

No, I do not.

Interesting. Another past conversation said otherwise.

So now you say you do not agree with this Seventh-day Adventist teaching?

 

[justbyfaith]

Interesting. Another past conversation said otherwise.

So now you say you do not agree with this Seventh-day Adventist teaching?

Actually, I think you may have been misinformed. That is the Jehovah's Witness teaching.

 

[justbyfaith]

A person cannot by himself grow in or toward God and a person who insists he already has absolute truth on any point blocks or quenches the Holy Spirit thereby limiting God Himself.

We have actually had this discussion before, but my opinion on the matter bears repeating.

When you are building a building, you do not tear down the first story of the building (which has already been built) in order to build the second story of the building.

If you have built an understanding of solid truth based on the word of God, it is the devil who would seek to tear down that solid understanding.

Of course, if you have a building that is an understanding of lies, then it is God who would demolish your building of lies so that He can build the truth in the place of the ruins (and He is well able to do this, even using certain servants of His).

See Matthew 7:7-8, Matthew 7:13-14 and Jeremiah 29:13.

If you will ask, seek, and knock to find the narrow way that leads to life, then it will be given you, you will find, and the door will be opened to you, when you search for Him with all your heart.

If you know that you know that you know that you have found Him, the search is over; and your job now is to help others to find the truth.

If you think that you have found Him but have not, then it is possible that in seeking to win others to the "truth" that you have found, you will stumble across the real truth as you seek to convert that other person.

 

[justbyfaith]

What on earth is a literal set of beliefs then? We know the bible is a spiritual book, which is spiritually understood!!

However, no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation, 2 Peter 1:20.

Also, the apostles used great plainness of speech in what they spoke and wrote, 2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv).

And, fwiw, God the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, John 14:17, John 16:13.

 

[CoreIssue]

Actually, I think you may have been misinformed. That is the Jehovah's Witness teaching.

Both

 

[justbyfaith]

Both

Really....I stand corrected.

 

[mjrhealth]

If you know that you know that you know that you have found Him, the search is over; and your job now is to help others to find the truth.

Well since the truth is in Jesus, is HE not enough....

 

[Helen]

@amadeus I agree 100%
And I am missing @bbyrd009 on the site and his wise thought and challenges. I hope that he is okay. I also miss Aspen too.

This Site is dying without the 'salt' that they are...