False Prophets

[Truman]

There is power in the name! It is a valid topic. People have performed miracles in that name. Cast out demons! Laid hands on the diseased and anointed them with oil and prayed in Jesus' name and healed them. My son was one of them. Diagnosed with Crohn's disease and was healed.
I have several reasons for what I do....Johnny Appleseed of truth.
1. The names of God the Father and God the Son deserve to be in the Bible.
2. God the Father and God the Son deserve to have their names known.
3. It is our religion! We should know their names.
4. In our testimony of the Gospel to others, we are knowledgeable enough to know the names of God the Father and God the Son.
5. And this is personal thing for me, on that day when I am face to face with Yeshua, I know Him by name.
6. Does Christ appreciate that we went that extra mile to know His name?

The pursuit of the Truth is a righteous endeavor. He is more than worthy of all we can do for Him and I know He appreciates it!
Don't forget Holy Spirit...He has feelings too!

 

[Grailhunter]

The pursuit of the Truth is a righteous endeavor. He is more than worthy of all we can do for Him and I know He appreciates it!
Don't forget Holy Spirit...He has feelings too!

Oh, I don't forget the Holy Spirit.
I go to a lot of different churches....but my favorite are the Holy Ghost Churches.

 

[Truman]

Oh, I don't forget the Holy Spirit.
I go to a lot of different churches....but my favorite are the Holy Ghost Churches.

Me, too!

 

[Truth7t7]

KJV, NIV, NLT, AMP, NKJV, NASB, others...I've found they all have strengths and weaknesses.
The KJV translators added the word church, in my opinion. In Genesis 6, they used giants when I, as well as most translations, choose the word Nephilim. The NIV, which I read more than any other translation, mainly because it's my mother's bible and has big letters, chose in places to use, "Israel," instead of, "house of Israel," where many other translations use the latter phrase. However, the latest NIV uses the Dead Sea Scrolls to translate Jeremiah 31:22 as, "the woman will return to the man," which I believe is correct.

The new versions NIV, NASB, ESV, Etc are supported by the Greek Text (Novus Testamentum Graece)

Who created this Greek text?

 

[Truman]

The new versions NIV, NASB, ESV, Etc are supported by the Greek Text (Novus Testamentum Graece)

Who created this Greek text?[/QUOT
I forget.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Jimmy Swaggart was never a prophet; he was an evangelist who fell because of his pride, but has since repented. Be very, very careful how you respond to this topic! You may not understand a minister - because of religious teachings, you may not agree with preachers; but if you are not careful, you might find yourself speaking against Gods anointed - and therefor making yourself an enemy of God!

Greetings, Faithbuilders.

I live in Louisiana. I am familiar with the Swaggarts and have been for decades, and the above is really just a scare tactic used to exercise religious control over people. I think the ones who can make themselves "enemies of God" are actually those who elevate preachers (and sinful ones) to the level where they can no longer be questioned. Men are not our gods, and the whole business of "Touch not God's anointed" may work on the spiritually immature, but it doesn't work so well with people who have been around for a very long time and know a religious conn when they see one.

God bless, and welcome to the forum.
Hidden In Him

 

[Faithbuilders]

No, even David said, I dare not touch Gods anointed; One of the leaders in the new testament said it best, when they were coming against the disciples for preaching Jesus, "if it is not of God, it will die, but if it is of God, you will find yourself fighting against God". Jesus himself said, when people speak against you, they are speaking against Me! It is very clear, when you attack Gods anointed, you are attacking God, and that is very dangerous ground, as God will not stand still for that - and will fight against whomever is attacking His anointed!

 

[Hidden In Him]

No, even David said, I dare not touch Gods anointed; One of the leaders in the new testament said it best, when they were coming against the disciples for preaching Jesus, "if it is not of God, it will die, but if it is of God, you will find yourself fighting against God". Jesus himself said, when people speak against you, they are speaking against Me! It is very clear, when you attack Gods anointed, you are attacking God, and that is very dangerous ground, as God will not stand still for that - and will fight against whomever is attacking His anointed!

As I was implying, I obviously don't have a great deal of faith in the claim that the Swaggarts are "God's anointed." While I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm gonna have to put it to you straight just like you are with me: I couldn't care less about what supposedly "dangerous ground" I'm on, or claims I am "fighting against God." Doesn't bother me in the least. I own some of Jimmy's commentaries; they're awful. He still takes this condemning tone towards others when his commentaries are garbage, and he is nothing special theologically or spiritually. I'm seriously not impressed.

If you are, then I'm glad you have someone who ministers to you where you are now. But I spiritually outgrew the Swaggarts more than 30 years ago.

 

[Truth7t7]

Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), later to become (Barbara Aland)) being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[Truman]

Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), later to become (Barbara Aland)) being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Good thing I worship God and not the bible, gift from God that it is.

 

[Rita]

Blimey, God using sinners…whatever next !!!

 

[Taken]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet?

What I consider a FALSE PROPHET is one WHO Teaches and Preaches CONTRARY to what Jesus Taught and Preached.

Jimmy Swaggart...a false prophet?
I may have seen his telecast a couple of times years ago, when I use to watch TV, and do NOT recall his teaching or preaching Contrary to what Jesus Taugh or Preached.
* It is my hearsay understanding....that Swaggart's "personal behavior" was in "contrast" to what Jesus "taught and preached".
* I have no understanding that Swaggart "taught or preached" other men "SHOULD "personally behave AS He CHOSE TO DO".
* "IF", Swaggart "WAS", teaching and preaching "MEN"...should DO as he DID...
THEN...would I consider him a FALSE prophet.

In essence...Swaggart's behavior, simply made him a "hypocrite"...not a false teacher or preacher.

Remembering...the Pharisees...also called "hypocrites"...which was NOT about WHAT they "taught and preached"...but exclusively about..."their personal behavior".

Jesus even said...Do as THEY (pharisees) SAY, NOT as THEY DO.

A FALSE PROPHET, is one WHO, "teaches and preaches" IN CONTRAST to Gods Teaching.

A False Prophet, WILL, elevate himself, AS or EQUAL TO: the Lord God Almighty Himself.

Remember...God transforms men into Gods "likeness".... Men do not Become God, they become "made" (by Gods power)... like God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@ GaryAnderson

What are your views on miracles too?

Miracle defined:
* An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God

I do believe, "miracles" happen.
I do believe, "miracles" ARE supernatural.
I do believe, "the Spirit of God is (not created and ) IS supernatural".
I do believe, angels ARE spirits (are creations of God) and ARE supernatural.
I do believe, God and Angels CAN and DO cause "miracles" to happen.
I do believe, "men" proclaim, FALSE miracles, through trickery, cunningness, magic, etc.

How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

* A "magician" is up front, what you see, IS crafty trickery, for entertainment.
* "miracle of Fatima" ?
* Someone calling something "a miracle", Does not "on it's face convince me a miracle occured".
* "miracle of Fatima" ? I do NOT believe the claims.

What about nuns and monks?

What about them? Basically, men and women who choose to follow God, "by and through and according to" a man made doctrine "that expands beyond the Word of God."

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@GaryAnderson

How to tell if miracles are real?

I would say, it depends on "WHO" an individual "solicited" for a "miracle".

IF a person is Asking God for a "miracle"... and the thing asked for "comes to pass";
I would accredit God.

IF a person is Asking fallen demonic angels for a "miracle"...
and the thing asked for "comes to pass";
I would accredit the demonic angels for the "miracle".

If a person is Asking a "saint" "IN HEAVEN" for a "miracle"...
And the thing asked for "comes to pass";
I would "NOT" accredit the "miracle" as a "miracle" or the WORKS of "a saint" "IN HEAVEN".

I do not believe...human men "communicate" WITH "saints IN Heaven".
Nor do I believe..."saints IN Heaven" were given authority to "communicate" with men on earth.

How to know the difference ?
IMO...fully knowing, is a person, fully aware of WHO he is asking, and WHAT comes to pass.

One telling another, of "their miracle" event, is simply, one telling another of their experience....Doesn't really effect me, IF I believe it or not.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Faithbuilders]

As I was implying, I obviously don't have a great deal of faith in the claim that the Swaggarts are "God's anointed." While I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm gonna have to put it to you straight just like you are with me: I couldn't care less about what supposedly "dangerous ground" I'm on, or claims I am "fighting against God." Doesn't bother me in the least. I own some of Jimmy's commentaries; they're awful. He still takes this condemning tone towards others when his commentaries are garbage, and he is nothing special theologically or spiritually. I'm seriously not impressed.

If you are, then I'm glad you have someone who ministers to you where you are now. But I spiritually outgrew the Swaggarts more than 30 years ago.

I do apologize for any offensive implications: I used to listen to him until he fell many years ago, I have not listened to him since. I am the type of person that I like to believe the best in everyone if possible. J.S. said he repented, and I believed him; but I never listened to him again.

 

[Truth7t7]

Blimey, God using sinners…whatever next !!!

God didnt use Kurt Aland, Barbara Nee Ehlers, Nor Carlo Maria Martini

 

[Rita]

God didnt use Kurt Aland, Barbara Nee Ehlers, Nor Carlo Maria Martini

We are all sinners , so God can use a sinner….that was my point.
Just because someone does something wrong doesn’t mean that God cannot use them …

 

[Faithbuilders]

God didnt use Kurt Aland, Barbara Nee Ehlers, Nor Carlo Maria Martini

God DID use; Thamar (aka Tamor the prostitute) Rahab (the prostitute), Daved (murderer and adulterer) Peter (denied Jesus), Paul (aka Saul the mass murderer)....

 

[complete]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet? What are your views on miracles too? How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

This topic is open to anyone but @TLHKAJ can I get your thoughts on this? Or we can discuss in private if you prefer?

Hello @GaryAnderson

I don't know of any false prophet personally for I am not mixing in Christian circles: but your OP has brought to my remembrance a portion of Scripture I turned to and read one evening last week. It was Ezekiel 13, which had obviously caught my eye on a previous occasion, for I had underlined and written in the margin against certain verses. It concerns the false prophets of Israel: who prophesied 'out of their own hearts', and, 'followed their own spirit, and have seen nothing!' (Ezekiel 13:2-3). They also do nothing to protect the children of Israel in the event of battle(vv. 4-5) because they promise them peace, leaving them open to attack from the enemy.

* Verses 6-7 tell us that these false prophets have seen, 'vanity and lying divination', saying, 'The LORD saith' 'and 'the LORD hath not sent them:' 'They have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.' Which is a tragedy isn't it? God says to them, 'Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, 'The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken'. They have, 'spoken vanity and seen lies' (v.7). They 'seduced' the People of Israel, saying, 'Peace', when there was no peace. Verses 8-16 show how God is against them, and how He will act against them, He will deliver His People from them.

* Further on there is a strange passage, yet as has previously been said, it shows how these false prophets act, and what they claim, which could be useful in identifying false prophets in this day.

* In Ezekiel 13:17-23, it appears that these false prophets were, 'the daughters of thy people', which 'prophesy out of their own heart'. Verse 18 onward, shows that these women sought to hide from the People the hands of Jehovah which were lifted up and stretched forth in judgment (Isaiah 26:11, Isaiah 52:10). This is portrayed figuratively in these verses, but they sought to conceal from the People what the Lord was doing. Hiding Gods hands, as it were, so that they would not perceive the judgments of God which were to come upon them. Hiding their eyes, especially the eyes of those in authority, the rulers in Jerusalem.

'They made the heart of the righteous sad, whom God had not made sad, and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life.' (v.22) So, they promise peace, instead of warning against God's impending judgment, and promise life to the wicked, instead of showing him his wickedness that he may repent and escape God's wrath.

* This makes me think of the enemy of our souls, who masquerades as an angel of light in order to deceive. By their fruits you shall know them.

I hope this is helpful, I found it so. :)
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Truth7t7]

God DID use; Thamar (aka Tamor the prostitute) Rahab (the prostitute), Daved (murderer and adulterer) Peter (denied Jesus), Paul (aka Saul the mass murderer)....

Yes God used the "Repentant" sinners mentioned above

(Kurt Aland) died in the sin of Adultery, while being married to (Barbara Nee Ehlers), while his wife (Ingeborg Aland) lived (Adultery)