False Prophets

[Rita]

I believe David was not repentant in his sin for at least a year…..in which time he was still on the throne…still being used by God.

 

[complete]

Is Jimmy Swaggart a false prophet? Who else do you consider a false prophet? What are your views on miracles too? How can you tell if they’re false or not? Like the miracle of Fatima. What about nuns and monks?

This topic is open to anyone but @TLHKAJ can I get your thoughts on this? Or we can discuss in private if you prefer?

Hello again, @GaryAnderson

I have been thinking about the false prophets in Ezekiel 13, and the fact that they said, 'Peace, peace', when there was no peace. The false prophets in Ezekiel were women: and it is the tendency of women, particularly, to want to comfort, and say, 'There, there' when someone is feeling down or feeling guilty about something. 'Oh, come on now, it's alright', we say, when perhaps in doing so we can be inadvertently lying, or covering over someone's wrong-doing, and thereby keep them from confession of sin, and repentance towards God. In that way we could be whitewashing sepulchres and hiding death beneath a cloak of life.

How important it is to speak truth one to the other, isn't it? To call sin, 'sin,' and expose wrongdoing for what it is. Otherwise though we may never stand in a pulpit: in our own way, we too could be found to be 'false prophets'. It is necessary that the world know, that 'The wages of sin is death': as much as it is for them to know that, 'the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Hidden In Him]

I do apologize for any offensive implications: I used to listen to him until he fell many years ago, I have not listened to him since. I am the type of person that I like to believe the best in everyone if possible.

Now THERE is a good position to take. I actually feel the same way. I am in some ways still very grateful for the Swaggarts. They still preach Pentecostalism as well as the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, and unapologetically so. And that is rather rare these days. And they do a good job of addressing many of the errors being taught in the churches. They're just not perfect by any means, but then who is really? So yes, I like to believe the best in everyone as well, and I truly wish them success in ministry.

Thanks for that post! I wasn't expecting such a response, and it made my morning (well, afternoon now, LoL).

God bless, and welcome again to the forum.
- H

 

[rockytopva]

Now THERE is a good position to take. I actually feel the same way. I am in some ways still very grateful for the Swaggarts. They still preach Pentecostalism as well as the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, and unapologetically so. And that is rather rare these days. And they do a good job of addressing many of the errors being taught in the churches. They're just not perfect by any means, but then who is really? So yes, I like to believe the best in everyone as well, and I truly wish them success in ministry.

Thanks for that post! I wasn't expecting such a response, and it made my morning (well, afternoon now, LoL).

God bless, and welcome again to the forum.
- H

I am Pentecostal Holiness. Here is a service in which there was a good bit of shouting from the beginning to the end…

 

[Truman]

"We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check." - James 3:2 (sound of approaching "what about this that, and the other verse") smh
I read whatever translation I feel I am led to read. It's called exercising my God-given, free will. I don't usually read the KJV anymore due to the fact I have a brain injury and find it difficult to understand. If it's what you prefer to read, "knock yourself out!"

 

[Hidden In Him]

I am Pentecostal Holiness.

Yes, I know you are RockyTop.

 

[Truman]

If I say I'm this or if I say I'm that, somebody's not going to be happy with me. So I'll just say...

I a-am what I am...a child of the great, "I Am."
By the blo-od of the Lamb, the Lamb who was slain.
I'm precious in His sight...the apple of His eye.
I am fearfully and won-der-fully made! Hallelujah! tc

Along with all others who believe on His name, the name above all names!
Je-sus, Yeshu-a, died for us because He lo-oves us!
It doesn't get any sweeter than that!

 

[rockytopva]

I think too many times ministers become too worried over false profits rather than false prophets. If it is of Christ we will be able to sense his presence. If the presence of Christ is not there it becomes too obvious that this is of the flesh rather than the Spirit.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

When comes to true prophets as in cases, such as that of Moses, Elijah, Elisha, and Jesus, God’s prophets performed miraculous works that attested to the genuineness of their message and office. Not all true prophets however, are recorded as performing such powerful works. The three essentials for establishing the credentials of a true prophet, as given through Moses, were: The true prophet would speak in Jehovah’s name; the things foretold would come to pass (De 18:20-22); and his prophesying must promote true worship, being in harmony with God’s revealed word and commandments (De 13:1-4). The last requirement was probably the most vital and decisive, for an individual might hypocritically use God’s name, and by coincidence, his prediction might see fulfillment. But the true prophet was not solely or even primarily a prognosticator, as has been shown. Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters. (Isa 1:10-20; Mic 6:1-12)

 

[amadeus]

I am Pentecostal Holiness. Here is a service in which there was a good bit of shouting from the beginning to the end…

My father's family was Pentecostal Holiness from the early beginnings of that group. My paternal grandparents were converted in a Pentecostal Holiness camp meeting in Oklahoma City in 1913. They were both active members until their deaths [him in 1950 and her in 1985]. My father was an active member until his death in 1992. Unfortunately when many of those older Spirit filled and led people left the scene they remaining ones are not often of the same Spirit. I have dozens of cousins still in an around Oklahoma City who are involved. Many of the younger ones I have never met. I hope that some of them are like my grandmother was...

 

[Rita]

I was thinking about some of the comments on this thread earlier about using people…….Martin Luther King came into my mind. His speech is still remembered and started a change, yet behind the scenes he had quite a few adulterous relationships. God used him despite what was going on in his personal life.
I only found out about the affairs a few years ago, I was stunned because I considered him a Christian icon in many ways. At first I couldn’t get how he could be used in such a great way while being a different person privately….

 

[rockytopva]

My father's family was Pentecostal Holiness from the early beginnings of that group. My paternal grandparents were converted in a Pentecostal Holiness camp meeting in Oklahoma City in 1913. They were both active members until their deaths [him in 1950 and her in 1985]. My father was an active member until his death in 1992. Unfortunately when many of those older Spirit filled and led people left the scene they remaining ones are not often of the same Spirit. I have dozens of cousins still in an around Oklahoma City who are involved. Many of the younger ones I have never met. I hope that some of them are like my grandmother was..

If all of the Pentecostal Holiness were as they were in the 1900's I would recommend the denomination. It is important, that if someone claims sanctification, that you have the ability to peer within the heart and find good things. My old pastor was a good example of sanctification....

1. Very disciplined guy - Up at 6AM every morning
2. Rejoiced in what he called being a Pentecostal Holiness country preacher
3. Revivals - At least one every two months - All with unique and good evangelists
4. Would let the Holy Spirit have his way in service
5. Take time to pray for the sick at church and in the hospitals. Carried a bottle of anointing oil with him
6. Was a friendly guy and would come visit you
7. Loved God and very Christlike.
8. A great, loving, and supportive family man as well
9. No allegations against the guy the 30 years he was with us

Our church board thought replacing him would be easy. They have been through many pastors since and the church has done poorly.

 

[amadeus]

If all of the Pentecostal Holiness were as they were in the 1900's I would recommend the denomination. It is important, that if someone claims sanctification, that you have the ability to peer within the heart and find good things. My old pastor was a good example of sanctification....

1. Very disciplined guy - Up at 6AM every morning
2. Rejoiced in what he called being a Pentecostal Holiness country preacher
3. Revivals - At least one every two months - All with unique and good evangelists
4. Would let the Holy Spirit have his way in service
5. Take time to pray for the sick at church and in the hospitals. Carried a bottle of anointing oil with him
6. Was a friendly guy and would come visit you
7. Loved God and very Christlike.
8. A great, loving, and supportive family man as well
9. No allegations against the guy the 30 years he was with us

Our church board thought replacing him would be easy. They have been through many pastors since and the church has done poorly.

Sounds like a good man and a dedicated pastor.

 

[Truman]

I was thinking about some of the comments on this thread earlier about using people…….Martin Luther King came into my mind. His speech is still remembered and started a change, yet behind the scenes he had quite a few adulterous relationships. God used him despite what was going on in his personal life.
I only found out about the affairs a few years ago, I was stunned because I considered him a Christian icon in many ways. At first I couldn’t get how he could be used in such a great way while being a different person privately….

From what I understand in his earlier years he was a staunch supporter of the Jews though later on he completely changed. We are called to love all people.
I met a delightful cab driver tonight. Turned out he was a practicing Muslim and a committed Trump supporter. We talked for about 15 minutes. It was great!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Deut 18:22 "when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.'

There are a bunch of them! Got a few hours? well worth the watch.

A comment I want to make concerning the Charismatic movement. When I came into the Pentecostal movement in 1966, most of the teaching was Scripture-based. We had a good AOG pastor to did a complete exposition of the book of Galatians. At the same time I encountered the early Charismatics who were still associated with their denominational churches. One was a Presbyterian group in Wellington NZ in 1967, and a Methodist group in 1973. These groups were also Scripture-based.

These days, those groups that I encountered in the late 1960s and early 1970s were the mainstream Charismatics. 40 years later similar groups are now termed as the fringe, and the wacky backy ones that Justin describes is the mainstream. It seems that the ultra-Charismatics have hijacked the mainstream and turned themselves into the mainstream. My ID on the forum is Pentecostal, but not the modern kind. My Pentecostalism is the 1960s-70s version before all the fanatical nonsense emerged.

Justin wonders where the expository Charismatics are. I am one, but at 74 years of age, we are a dying breed in the Charismatic movement. Gordon Fee is another. It is interesting to note that Michael Brown's Old Testament Bible is entirely Hebrew, and his New Testament is totally Greek. This is because when he uses Scripture he makes sure that he is quoting it from the original languages. I think that makes him different from the likes of Copeland, and the others in his rogues gallery of wacky backy false prophets and teachers.

Just a piece of useful information to share.

It is a shame when people see my Pentecostal ID on the forum, they mistakenly assume that I am part of the modern mainstream Charismatic represented by Copeland, Rolf, and the other wackies. It is a shame that the quality of the 1960s-1970s Pentecostals and Charismatics is no longer seen, but has been overlaid by the modern ultra-Charismatics, who have no comparison with the true Bible Charismatics of yesteryear.

 

[Grailhunter]

Mostly Missouri and Arkansas....Eastern Seaboard....New Mexico....California starting around the 70's.
Changes? The Charismatic movement was a change to begin with. Some Churches there are big events occurring that is amazing.
I have seen a change in the music....a lot of electric. No Crystal Balls.....LOL Mostly the day of the "Holy Roller" has passed. I only saw a little of that in the late 70's. The presence of the Holy Spirit you can feel it and nearly see it sweep across the church. Still ladies with long hair and conservative dress.

I have only seen the Benny Hinn stuff on TV. Or setting some one on stage and they go into a trance....kind of tongues on demand.

What are you seeing in your area that is objectionable.

 

[JohnPaul]

I was thinking about some of the comments on this thread earlier about using people…….Martin Luther King came into my mind. His speech is still remembered and started a change, yet behind the scenes he had quite a few adulterous relationships. God used him despite what was going on in his personal life.
I only found out about the affairs a few years ago, I was stunned because I considered him a Christian icon in many ways. At first I couldn’t get how he could be used in such a great way while being a different person privately….

Martin Luther King was a communist and a known whore monger, who loved White women.

They only show you what they want you to see, pardon my strong laqnguage, but it's the only way the man can be described.

 

[Rita]

Martin Luther King was a communist and a known whore monger, who loved White women.

They only show you what they want you to see, pardon my strong laqnguage, but it's the only way the man can be described.

I think my point was that despite his wrong doings he was used by God to bring about changes that were important. I must admit I had placed him on a bit of a platform as being someone in modern history that was an icon because of his speech and fight for civil rights. So it was a shock to find out about the other side of his life. God can and does use many people , despite their failings.

 

[Truman]

I think my point was that despite his wrong doings he was used by God to bring about changes that were important. I must admit I had placed him on a bit of a platform as being someone in modern history that was an icon because of his speech and fight for civil rights. So it was a shock to find out about the other side of his life. God can and does use many people , despite their failings.

"Judge a man by the content of his character, rather than the color of his skin." Sounds about right to me.

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone should have the freedom to believe how they want. Everyone has their own relationship with God if they are members of the faith in the Gospel of Christ and believe according to scriptures that their sins have been paid for, and also that Jesus was buried and raised again.

As human beings all should have liberty to think, believe, and have their own opinions. You can share the truth with them, in gentle loving way. However if it becomes a prideful thing over another person that is dangerous I believe.

So reach out in kindness, love and truth by the spirit.

Everyone is responsible for their own relationship with God. According to 1 Corinthians 15: there were people who believed Jesus died, but had not resurrected again they died with loss, that is so sad and probably still true today that people believe Jesus but not his resurrection so they are still unborn again.