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The question, "Can a Pastor to the body of Christ, (the church), be female/woman? " is answered by the apostle Paul in a letter to Timothy: "Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence."(1 Tim 2:11, 12) He then says that "Adam was formed first, then Eve."(1 Tim 2:13) Paul recognized that the woman was created for man, not man for the woman and that the man was the one to teach within the Christian congregation.

LOL, I have already answered that, re-read the post.

Over 5 years before Paul gave this counsel to Timothy in about 61 C.E. concerning dealing with the congregation, he had wrote to the Corinthians: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of the woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God."(1 Cor 11:3)

is that authority or SOURCE?. if this is authority why not say God is the head of Jesus, why not?. Christ is from the Spirit, and Jesus is the Spirit, and the Spirit was in that flesh called Christ. so that Lie is expose. its SOURCE?.

He then says that a woman would shame her head by "prophesying" in the congregation with her uncovered.(1 Cor 11:4) When in the presence of a qualified male, and has to conduct perhaps a Bible study with another person at their home, she covers her head to show her submission to the headship principle. At Genesis 2:24, God establishes the headship of a man over the woman, with the woman being submissive to the man in recognition of him as head.

a. a woman cover, 1 Corinthians 11:15 "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering".

b. God establishes the headship of a man over the woman, with the woman being submissive to the man in recognition of him as head.
NO, only the married, to lead first. HEADSHIP don't mean ruleship, to HAVE the rule OVER her is a permission. meaning he is the first to serve. find out what "Having the rule over" means vs "Rule". this is to correct you
c. He then says that a woman would shame her head by "prophesying" in the congregation. wait a minute, I thought the apostle say women don't suppose to speak in church at all, so why is she prophesying, IN THE CHURCH. WE CAN SEE THE LIE.
At 1 Corinthians 11, the apostle Paul was emphasizing the Scriptural guideline of a man having headship over the woman, be it in the home as a wife or in the Christian congregation as a "sister", just as the Christ is head over the man and God is head over the Christ. Thus, the headship principle is firmly established, in which everyone has a head except our Creator, Jehovah God.

keep it at home, but in the church, LIE, 1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ". and if a custom is not applying, scripture, 1 Corinthians 11:16 "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God". that just killed that lie.

And furthermore, only qualified males were selected to serve as "overseers" or "elders", "qualified to teach" in the Christian congregation.(1 Tim 3:2) Later, Paul says that "women should likewise be serious, not slanderous, moderate in habits, faithful in all things."(1 Tim 3:11) Hence, men took the lead in both the home and the congregation, with women under their direction.

LIE, re-read post #172 page 6. and futhermore, see if the definition for "woman" is a wife or not.

But what can women do in the congregation ? In the book of Psalms, concerning making known "the good news of the kingdom" that Jesus said would be published worldwide at Matthew 24:14, it says: "Jehovah himself gives the saying: The women telling the good news are a large army."(Ps 68:11) Yes, the women are indeed a "large army" in speaking about God's kingdom to all "from house to house" (Acts 20:20), with more women doing this preaching and teaching work in the "field" or "harvest" than men.(Matt 9:38)

A women can do just what you can do in church, in the thing pertaining to the LORD.

alright Guestman, I have answered all of your question, and all of your premises have failed. those crutches are destroyed.

Now Guestman, since you have brought up HEADSHIP. the scripture states, 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God".
I say this is Source, and not authority. I ask, why do the scriptures say that "God is the head of Christ", and not "God is the head of Jesus". I say because Jesus is God. if you disagree, answer me this.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

Guestman, which of the scripture is your so called Jehovah, and which one is our Lord Jesus the Christ. this will put an end to this HEADSHIP, or AUTHORITY thing in 1 Corinthians 11

I'll be waiting for your answer.
Using the Bible, I answered the question and it is resolved Scripturally that women do not serve in any official position within the Christian congregation while on earth. This is unchangeable, for the principle of headship was established in the Garden of Eden.(Gen 2:24) This is like the moral boundary that Jehovah established, whereby fornication (Greek porneia) or illicit sexual relations outside of marriage is unalterable.(1 Thess 4:3-8)


The headship principle is firmly established, whereby the women is to be submissive to the man (love is always to be shown, not dominance, for this has no part in the Christian congregation, Eph 5:28, 29), and the apostle Paul reaffirmed this at 1 Corinthians 11:3.


Here Paul clearly says that "the head of woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God." Who is the Christ here ? If a person cannot figure this out, they are "lost", for the Bible without question establishes that Jesus is the Christ, for Peter, in answering Jesus question "Who are men saying the Son of man is ?", told Jesus: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."(Matt 16:16)

Peter got it right that Jesus is "the Son of the living God", not God. This is very clear for those who allow the Bible to speak for itself rather than forcing " a square peg in a round hole". Jesus is not God, but Peter (as well as the rest of the Scriptures) identifies that Jesus is "the Son of the living God".


When the apostle Paul said "prophesying" (Greek propheteuousa, meaning "to foretell events, speak under inspiration") at 1 Corinthians 11:4, this is not the same as teaching.(1 Tim 2:12, "teaching", Greek didaskein, meaning "to teach, to hold discourse with others in order to instruct", Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) There cannot be two "captains" either in the congregation or home (when the woman is married), just as there is one "leader" for Christians, Jesus, not anyone else.(Matt 23:10)


Covering the head is a sign of respect on the part of the woman. Paul further said that a woman was to have her head covered in order to "have a sign of authority upon her head because of the angels."(1 Cor 11:10) The woman who followed this counsel covers her head showing that she fully obeys the headship principle, having "a sign of authority upon her head", a head covering, whereby even the angels are watching Christian women to see if they will submit to it or become independent, such as Jezebel and her daughter Athaliah, who usurped it.(1 Kings 21:7; 8; 2 Kings 11:1)


And as for Jehovah, obviously you are not aware that this personal name of God is found in the original writings of the Bible some 7,000 times (in the form of Tetragrammaton), and in which Jesus used it when confronted by Satan at Matthew 4. (Matt 4:4, 7, 10) You try draw people into an argument or debate, but I will not participate, for Paul further wrote, telling Timothy: "Therefore I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, apart from wrath and debates."(1 Tim 2:8) Just as Jesus left behind those who wanted to consistently dispute with him, so I follow his example.(Matt 15:12-14)
 

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Jiggyfly, the fact stands that the Bible does refer to Christ as a bridegroom, and I already showed you who that bridegroom is according to scripture. If you believe that Christ is married to a stone city, that is your belief. We believe that Christ is a bridegroom, and the bride is the Church. Do you not know that the husbands is viewed as representing Christ (the Bridegroom) and the wife is viewed as representing the Church??

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.........In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—.........This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.

Why do you think that the Apostle Paul made this comparison between a husband and wife and Christ and His Church?? It is because Christ is the Bridegroom and the Church is His Bride. And you think that the Bride is a stone city?? Did I not tell you that New Jerusalem is another name for the Church??
Because it is just that a comparison, but you think the "stone city" is a bride, to use your words, without any support other than a couple of comparisons.

I'm curious do you believe that the kingdom of God is comprised solely of the "church" ?
 

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This is unchangeable, for the principle of headship was established in the Garden of Eden.(Gen 2:24) This is like the moral boundary that Jehovah established. and Peter got it right that Jesus is "the Son of the living God", not God. This is very clear for those who allow the Bible to speak for itself rather than forcing " a square peg in a round hole". Jesus is not God, but Peter (as well as the rest of the Scriptures) identifies that Jesus is "the Son of the living God".

well I challenge those beliefs. I see you didn't answer my question on headship. so I'll ask it again. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God". I say this is Source, and not authority/ headship. I ask, why do the scriptures say that "God is the head of Christ", and not "God is the head of Jesus". I say this because Jesus is God. if you disagree, answer me this. and two to answer your Peter got it right question, this will include that too.(smile).
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

which of the scripture is your so called Jehovah, and which one is our Lord Jesus the Christ. this will put an end to this HEADSHIP, or AUTHORITY thing in 1 Corinthians 11
please answer this time.

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Your "word study" is flawed. Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, it doesn't necessarily follow we end up with the same conclusion.

Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, when I hear people say this, then I know I have hit home. (smile), because to acknowledge, and then to reject, is the sign of a doubleminded person. as the scriptures states "stiff neck", a "stony heart", uncircumcised ears as our brother Stephen said, LOL.

and to support this you have no scripture to refute it. only your carnal is left, saying, " is like the 'Dog and Cat' scenario in Psychology".
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition". are you losing a little Altitude jb, (falling away). only a mouth full of asp. Romans 3:13 "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.".

no scripture to back any thing up, but you do agree, "Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, it doesn't necessarily follow we end up with the same conclusion". LOL you just acknowledge the topic view, LOL.

but one thing you are good at,.......... being a "yes" man, for Selene, :D no harm intended. but just prove my point.

so state scripture, or do the research, which ever.
 

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101G said:
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This is unchangeable, for the principle of headship was established in the Garden of Eden.(Gen 2:24) This is like the moral boundary that Jehovah established. and Peter got it right that Jesus is "the Son of the living God", not God. This is very clear for those who allow the Bible to speak for itself rather than forcing " a square peg in a round hole". Jesus is not God, but Peter (as well as the rest of the Scriptures) identifies that Jesus is "the Son of the living God".

well I challenge those beliefs. I see you didn't answer my question on headship. so I'll ask it again. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God". I say this is Source, and not authority/ headship. I ask, why do the scriptures say that "God is the head of Christ", and not "God is the head of Jesus". I say this because Jesus is God. if you disagree, answer me this. and two to answer your Peter got it right question, this will include that too.(smile).
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

which of the scripture is your so called Jehovah, and which one is our Lord Jesus the Christ. this will put an end to this HEADSHIP, or AUTHORITY thing in 1 Corinthians 11
please answer this time.

2 JB, GNOLJC
Your "word study" is flawed. Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, it doesn't necessarily follow we end up with the same conclusion.

Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, when I hear people say this, then I know I have hit home. (smile), because to acknowledge, and then to reject, is the sign of a doubleminded person. as the scriptures states "stiff neck", a "stony heart", uncircumcised ears as our brother Stephen said, LOL.

and to support this you have no scripture to refute it. only your carnal is left, saying, " is like the 'Dog and Cat' scenario in Psychology".
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition". are you losing a little Altitude jb, (falling away). only a mouth full of asp. Romans 3:13 "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.".

no scripture to back any thing up, but you do agree, "Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, it doesn't necessarily follow we end up with the same conclusion". LOL you just acknowledge the topic view, LOL.

but one thing you are good at,.......... being a "yes" man, for Selene, :D no harm intended. but just prove my point.

so state scripture, or do the research, which ever.
You remind me of Pharaoh, for when Moses came before him, Pharaoh said: "Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey his voice to send Israel away ? I do not know Jehovah at all and, what is more, I am not going to send Israel away."(Ex 5:2)

How did it end up for Pharaoh for doubting who Jehovah is ? Read Exodus 14:28 and Psalms 136:15. Its disturbing that so many disregard God's personal name of Jehovah, but place the name Jesus as their God. These fail to examine the evidence whereby Jesus said that he is "only-begotten Son of God"(John 3:16), having a beginning as "the firstborn of all creation" (Rev 3:14), that he worships the Father (Jehovah), as seen at John 4:22, 23 and directs everyone to worship only Jehovah.(Matt 4:10)


On the other hand, those who follow what Jehovah told high priest Eli through a "man of God", that "those honoring me I shall honor" will prove true with life everlasting (Ps 50:23), but "those despising me will be of little account" or will not get life.(1 Sam 2:30; John 3:36b)


And concerning 1 Corinthians 11:3, this was answered in my previous post. And I will not deviate from the theme of the OP just because you have strong affinity for the trinity.
 

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You remind me of Pharaoh, well that's a first.
And concerning 1 Corinthians 11:3, this was answered in my previous post. And I will not deviate from the theme of the OP just because you have strong affinity for the trinity.
I have strong affinity for the trinity, you must have me mixed up with someone else.
and two No, you did not answer my question. that's why you throw off on the trinity thing. because you know that your jehovah will be caught in a lie.
NOW, ONCE AGAIN. Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

which of the scripture is your so called Jehovah, and which one is our Lord Jesus the Christ. this will put an end to this HEADSHIP, or AUTHORITY thing in 1 Corinthians 11

again I'll be waiting for your answer. don't be a doubletongue :wub:
 

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Guestman said:
You remind me of Pharaoh, for when Moses came before him, Pharaoh said: "Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey his voice to send Israel away ? I do not know Jehovah at all and, what is more, I am not going to send Israel away."(Ex 5:2)

How did it end up for Pharaoh for doubting who Jehovah is ? Read Exodus 14:28 and Psalms 136:15. Its disturbing that so many disregard God's personal name of Jehovah, but place the name Jesus as their God. These fail to examine the evidence whereby Jesus said that he is "only-begotten Son of God"(John 3:16), having a beginning as "the firstborn of all creation" (Rev 3:14), that he worships the Father (Jehovah), as seen at John 4:22, 23 and directs everyone to worship only Jehovah.(Matt 4:10)

On the other hand, those who follow what Jehovah told high priest Eli through a "man of God", that "those honoring me I shall honor" will prove true with life everlasting (Ps 50:23), but "those despising me will be of little account" or will not get life.(1 Sam 2:30; John 3:36b)

And concerning 1 Corinthians 11:3, this was answered in my previous post. And I will not deviate from the theme of the OP just because you have strong affinity for the trinity.
The funny thing is Jehovah is the german name for God. They took the tetragram YHWH and made Jehovah. The way it is spoken in Hebrew is Yahweh.

Now as for Jesus being the name of God.
John 14:9

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Those who saw Jesus saw God, this is why He is called Immanuel (which means God with us).
And also,
Matthew 28:9

9 And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.

Revelation 22:9

9 But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”

Jesus accepts worship, whereas kings were destroyed for such a thing, and angels refuse worship and direct others to worship God only. Who is Jesus to accept worship other than God Himself.

Also this is relevant.
Acts 14:11-12

11 “He is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, but which became the chief corner stone.
12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

Isaiah 43:10-11

10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 “I, even I, am the Lord,
And there is no savior besides Me.

Spoken from the book of Isaiah God shows there is no other God and He is the Savior, yet it is by the name of Jesus Christ that we are saved. Jesus is God.



Sorry 101G but I could not allow our Lord and Savior to be blasphemed.
 

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2 justaname, greeting
The funny thing is Jehovah is the german name for God. They took the tetragram YHWH and made Jehovah. The way it is spoken in Hebrew is Yahweh.

well both Jehovah, and Yahweh are false names, made up name. but anyway. the trinity doctrine is false also.

Sorry 101G but I could not allow our Lord and Savior to be blasphemed
before you put me on the cross, I suggest you read my view on the trinity. Topic "Trinity, page 3, post #76
 

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Because it is just that a comparison, but you think the "stone city" is a bride, to use your words, without any support other than a couple of comparisons.

I'm curious do you believe that the kingdom of God is comprised solely of the "church" ?
And that is why the Church is called the "Bride of Christ."
 

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2 Selene,

you never answered my question. what are the duties of a priest of the Lord Jesus Christ today under the new covenant. and at what temple do your priest perform their duties At
 

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You can all bicker and argue over whos "word of God " is correct, in teh end God doesnt care one iota about what you think, He will use as He sees fit, and if that person happens to be a women well so be it, and God forbid anyone who rejects any word she may speak, if it is from God, because if you do, than you would have rejected God Himself. I hope you understand.

In all His Love
Someone comes to you violating the Word of God but claiming to be a messenger of God. And you believe them. Satan loves such people.
 

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many have already been deceived , and when one is sent by the Lord Jesus with the truth, they are rejected. Just as the apostle Paul. he thought that he was right already. but it took an act of God to convince him. and the same today. so many think that they are so correct, and never take time to seek and to see if they are. but it will take an act of God to change some mind. and maybe that might not be enough.
 

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2 Guestman, GNOLJC
This is unchangeable, for the principle of headship was established in the Garden of Eden.(Gen 2:24) This is like the moral boundary that Jehovah established. and Peter got it right that Jesus is "the Son of the living God", not God. This is very clear for those who allow the Bible to speak for itself rather than forcing " a square peg in a round hole". Jesus is not God, but Peter (as well as the rest of the Scriptures) identifies that Jesus is "the Son of the living God".

well I challenge those beliefs. I see you didn't answer my question on headship. so I'll ask it again. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God". I say this is Source, and not authority/ headship. I ask, why do the scriptures say that "God is the head of Christ", and not "God is the head of Jesus". I say this because Jesus is God. if you disagree, answer me this. and two to answer your Peter got it right question, this will include that too.(smile).
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

which of the scripture is your so called Jehovah, and which one is our Lord Jesus the Christ. this will put an end to this HEADSHIP, or AUTHORITY thing in 1 Corinthians 11
please answer this time.

2 JB, GNOLJC
Your "word study" is flawed. Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, it doesn't necessarily follow we end up with the same conclusion.

Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, when I hear people say this, then I know I have hit home. (smile), because to acknowledge, and then to reject, is the sign of a doubleminded person. as the scriptures states "stiff neck", a "stony heart", uncircumcised ears as our brother Stephen said, LOL.

and to support this you have no scripture to refute it. only your carnal is left, saying, " is like the 'Dog and Cat' scenario in Psychology".
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition". are you losing a little Altitude jb, (falling away). only a mouth full of asp. Romans 3:13 "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.".

no scripture to back any thing up, but you do agree, "Just because we can get a common denominator out of two supposed things, it doesn't necessarily follow we end up with the same conclusion". LOL you just acknowledge the topic view, LOL.

but one thing you are good at,.......... being a "yes" man, for Selene, :D no harm intended. but just prove my point.

so state scripture, or do the research, which ever.

The facts of the matter is that others such as Polt and Selene etc have given throughout ample scriptural evidence. They're applying one of the fundamental rules of Hermeneutics and that's "logical context". Something you in your "word study" game has failed to do. If you can't get this basic thing right, you have no right to be heard.

Moreover, for all your verbosity you have only proven that you're an excellent tongue wagger. Carry On. :blink:
 

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2 jb, greeting
same old rhetoric, no substance, no scriptures, all talk and nothing to back it up. you're correct on one thing, (blink), you're out of here :ph34r: once you have anything of value to say think it out before you speak. and for your Hermeneutics twist, that the best I can say on it, a twist of scriptures, here's my answer to it. 2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"

be blessed.
 

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Jesus chose only men to be his Apostles.
Cultist reply: Jesus, don't you know that in Christ there is no male or female?

Paul said an overseer (pastor) must be a male of one wife and that he doesn't permit women to usurp authority over men.
Cultist reply: The Holy Spirit uses who he sees fit.

Moses said priests are to be sons.
Cultist reply: Get out of the Old Testament.
 

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And that is why the Church is called the "Bride of Christ."
So you believe Christ marries His self? Do you believe Christ marries His brother or sister?

I'll ask this question again, do you believe the kingdom of God is comprised solely of the "church"?
 

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2 Corinthians 3:12 "Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Moses, Moses, Moses. that's all you know is MOSES, well Moses said hear JESUS. listen, "to the end of that which is abolished. Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law".


that, what you are talking about, have been disprove. and the truth made available. LIGHT have come, and darkness and ignorance is cast out.

here's your problem Polt, John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.3 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God".

do you know what this darkness is?, IGNORANCE YOU KNOW MY MOTTO, it's in my signature, "where there is knowledge, stay not ignorant" :D
 

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And so many are following what the world says today. My post was about order,God's order,not gender. Again,God doesn't change!
 

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Greeting in the Name of the Lord Jesus the Christ.

Romans 16:1 " I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: 2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also".

well lets interpret the scriptures correctly, instead of twisting them. Succourer means G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pros-tat'-is) n.
1. a patroness, i.e. assistant
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

if Succourer, here, speaking of our sister Phebe is the feminine of a derivative of G4291. question what is the definition of G4291?. lets see
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-is"'-tay-mee) v.
1. to stand before
2. (in rank) to preside
3. (by implication) to practise
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476
Looking at definition #2. what do preside mean?. dictionary.com preside: 1. to occupy the place of authority or control, as in an assembly or meeting; act as president or chairperson.
2. to exercise management or control (usually followed by over).

Now to all my Hermeneutics experts. see if you can twist the scriptures here. and remember, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation". I used the scripture only, and research to prove the scriptures interpretation.



without a doubt our sister Phebe is an overseer, as you say a BISHOP. again look at definition #2 above, of G4291 προΐστημι proistemi

of the MALE verson of our sister position. notice it said (in rank) to preside
 

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101G, I want to invite you to show your knowledge and understanding of scripture by posting in just your own words rather than direct quotes of the Bible and other sources.

For example, "Paul says an overseer must be a male of one wife (1Tim3:2). Therefore an overseer, or pastor, should be a male."

I don't think you understand anything you're quoting. And, we all have Bibles that we can read without the need for you to quote.
 

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101G, I want to invite you to show your knowledge and understanding of scripture by posting in just your own words rather than direct quotes of the Bible and other sources. For example, "Paul says an overseer must be a male of one wife (1Tim3:2). Therefore an overseer, or pastor, should be a male."
I don't think you understand anything you're quoting. And, we all have Bibles that we can read without the need for you to quote.


Polt, I have already answered that Page 6 post #168.

and for you remark, we all have Bibles that we can read without the need for you to quote.
reading your bible is one thing, but understanding what you are reading is another. I request you read Isaiah 29:9-12. and re-read verses 11 & 12 over again.