Using the Bible, I answered the question and it is resolved Scripturally that women do not serve in any official position within the Christian congregation while on earth. This is unchangeable, for the principle of headship was established in the Garden of Eden.(Gen 2:24) This is like the moral boundary that Jehovah established, whereby fornication (Greek porneia) or illicit sexual relations outside of marriage is unalterable.(1 Thess 4:3-8)101G said:2 Guestman
The question, "Can a Pastor to the body of Christ, (the church), be female/woman? " is answered by the apostle Paul in a letter to Timothy: "Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence."(1 Tim 2:11, 12) He then says that "Adam was formed first, then Eve."(1 Tim 2:13) Paul recognized that the woman was created for man, not man for the woman and that the man was the one to teach within the Christian congregation.
LOL, I have already answered that, re-read the post.
Over 5 years before Paul gave this counsel to Timothy in about 61 C.E. concerning dealing with the congregation, he had wrote to the Corinthians: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of the woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God."(1 Cor 11:3)
is that authority or SOURCE?. if this is authority why not say God is the head of Jesus, why not?. Christ is from the Spirit, and Jesus is the Spirit, and the Spirit was in that flesh called Christ. so that Lie is expose. its SOURCE?.
He then says that a woman would shame her head by "prophesying" in the congregation with her uncovered.(1 Cor 11:4) When in the presence of a qualified male, and has to conduct perhaps a Bible study with another person at their home, she covers her head to show her submission to the headship principle. At Genesis 2:24, God establishes the headship of a man over the woman, with the woman being submissive to the man in recognition of him as head.
a. a woman cover, 1 Corinthians 11:15 "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering".
b. God establishes the headship of a man over the woman, with the woman being submissive to the man in recognition of him as head.
NO, only the married, to lead first. HEADSHIP don't mean ruleship, to HAVE the rule OVER her is a permission. meaning he is the first to serve. find out what "Having the rule over" means vs "Rule". this is to correct you
c. He then says that a woman would shame her head by "prophesying" in the congregation. wait a minute, I thought the apostle say women don't suppose to speak in church at all, so why is she prophesying, IN THE CHURCH. WE CAN SEE THE LIE.
At 1 Corinthians 11, the apostle Paul was emphasizing the Scriptural guideline of a man having headship over the woman, be it in the home as a wife or in the Christian congregation as a "sister", just as the Christ is head over the man and God is head over the Christ. Thus, the headship principle is firmly established, in which everyone has a head except our Creator, Jehovah God.
keep it at home, but in the church, LIE, 1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ". and if a custom is not applying, scripture, 1 Corinthians 11:16 "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God". that just killed that lie.
And furthermore, only qualified males were selected to serve as "overseers" or "elders", "qualified to teach" in the Christian congregation.(1 Tim 3:2) Later, Paul says that "women should likewise be serious, not slanderous, moderate in habits, faithful in all things."(1 Tim 3:11) Hence, men took the lead in both the home and the congregation, with women under their direction.
LIE, re-read post #172 page 6. and futhermore, see if the definition for "woman" is a wife or not.
But what can women do in the congregation ? In the book of Psalms, concerning making known "the good news of the kingdom" that Jesus said would be published worldwide at Matthew 24:14, it says: "Jehovah himself gives the saying: The women telling the good news are a large army."(Ps 68:11) Yes, the women are indeed a "large army" in speaking about God's kingdom to all "from house to house" (Acts 20:20), with more women doing this preaching and teaching work in the "field" or "harvest" than men.(Matt 9:38)
A women can do just what you can do in church, in the thing pertaining to the LORD.
alright Guestman, I have answered all of your question, and all of your premises have failed. those crutches are destroyed.
Now Guestman, since you have brought up HEADSHIP. the scripture states, 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God".
I say this is Source, and not authority. I ask, why do the scriptures say that "God is the head of Christ", and not "God is the head of Jesus". I say because Jesus is God. if you disagree, answer me this.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".
Guestman, which of the scripture is your so called Jehovah, and which one is our Lord Jesus the Christ. this will put an end to this HEADSHIP, or AUTHORITY thing in 1 Corinthians 11
I'll be waiting for your answer.
The headship principle is firmly established, whereby the women is to be submissive to the man (love is always to be shown, not dominance, for this has no part in the Christian congregation, Eph 5:28, 29), and the apostle Paul reaffirmed this at 1 Corinthians 11:3.
Here Paul clearly says that "the head of woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God." Who is the Christ here ? If a person cannot figure this out, they are "lost", for the Bible without question establishes that Jesus is the Christ, for Peter, in answering Jesus question "Who are men saying the Son of man is ?", told Jesus: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."(Matt 16:16)
Peter got it right that Jesus is "the Son of the living God", not God. This is very clear for those who allow the Bible to speak for itself rather than forcing " a square peg in a round hole". Jesus is not God, but Peter (as well as the rest of the Scriptures) identifies that Jesus is "the Son of the living God".
When the apostle Paul said "prophesying" (Greek propheteuousa, meaning "to foretell events, speak under inspiration") at 1 Corinthians 11:4, this is not the same as teaching.(1 Tim 2:12, "teaching", Greek didaskein, meaning "to teach, to hold discourse with others in order to instruct", Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) There cannot be two "captains" either in the congregation or home (when the woman is married), just as there is one "leader" for Christians, Jesus, not anyone else.(Matt 23:10)
Covering the head is a sign of respect on the part of the woman. Paul further said that a woman was to have her head covered in order to "have a sign of authority upon her head because of the angels."(1 Cor 11:10) The woman who followed this counsel covers her head showing that she fully obeys the headship principle, having "a sign of authority upon her head", a head covering, whereby even the angels are watching Christian women to see if they will submit to it or become independent, such as Jezebel and her daughter Athaliah, who usurped it.(1 Kings 21:7; 8; 2 Kings 11:1)
And as for Jehovah, obviously you are not aware that this personal name of God is found in the original writings of the Bible some 7,000 times (in the form of Tetragrammaton), and in which Jesus used it when confronted by Satan at Matthew 4. (Matt 4:4, 7, 10) You try draw people into an argument or debate, but I will not participate, for Paul further wrote, telling Timothy: "Therefore I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, apart from wrath and debates."(1 Tim 2:8) Just as Jesus left behind those who wanted to consistently dispute with him, so I follow his example.(Matt 15:12-14)