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I will continue to keep providing key passages in the hope that many, if not all of you will put away the many myths and heed the Word of God in its purity.
Another passage where the devil occurs and is beautifully expressive, if translated correctly according to proper interpretation of “false-accuser” is where Paul is recommending to the Ephesians to perform all the social duties in such a way as to give no cause of complaint to any one, not even the most critical; to those anxiously looking for opportunities to charge them with offences:
Neither give place to the false accuser Eph 4: 27 (tou diabolou)
In other words give no opportunity to anyone who would be glad to charge you with offences against the law.
And that Paul refers to a human, and not to an invisible, enemy, is proved by the context, where offences are referred to that are objects of notice by the civil magistrate before whom the false-accuser, but not the devil, would be happy to have the opportunity of taking the believer:
Let him that stole steal no more; but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth Eph 4: 26,28
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I will continue to keep providing key passages in the hope that many, if not all of you will put away the many myths and heed the Word of God in its purity.
Another passage where the devil occurs and is beautifully expressive, if translated correctly according to proper interpretation of “false-accuser” is where Paul is recommending to the Ephesians to perform all the social duties in such a way as to give no cause of complaint to any one, not even the most critical; to those anxiously looking for opportunities to charge them with offences:
Neither give place to the false accuser Eph 4: 27 (tou diabolou)
In other words give no opportunity to anyone who would be glad to charge you with offences against the law.
And that Paul refers to a human, and not to an invisible, enemy, is proved by the context, where offences are referred to that are objects of notice by the civil magistrate before whom the false-accuser, but not the devil, would be happy to have the opportunity of taking the believer:
Let him that stole steal no more; but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth Eph 4: 26,28
So explain the below verses
Matthew 8:28 "And when He was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way."
Matthew 8:29 "And, behold, they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"
Matthew 8:28 "And when He was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way."
Matthew 8:29 "And, behold, they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"
Let me ask you a question regarding Matt 8.
How many times is the word heal used in this chapter?
After you have concluded the "healing" has to with an illness, may I ask you to explain what type of illness this may have been that entered the swine?
Insight
While you ponder these things
Should this view not strengthen your conclusion.
And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? When the men were come unto him, they said John Baptist bath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? And in the same hour Jesus cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. Then Jesus answering said unto them, go your way and tell John what things we have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. Luke 7:19,20,21,22,23.
For all those "unknown" illnesss 2000 years ago; what do you think they were called? And where did these sayings come from?
Its about reading the Bible carefully and not allowing preconceived ideas confuse the record.
Should this view not strengthen your conclusion.
And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? When the men were come unto him, they said John Baptist bath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? And in the same hour Jesus cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. Then Jesus answering said unto them, go your way and tell John what things we have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. Luke 7:19,20,21,22,23.
For all those "unknown" illnesss 2000 years ago; what do you think they were called? And where did these sayings come from?
Its about reading the Bible carefully and not allowing preconceived ideas confuse the record.
Do you think it is curious that Jesus does not say, "Behold I cast out spirits"? if the doing of this was a positive reality, Christ would have pointed it out; for the writer adds, "he in the same hour cured many of their evil spirits:" but Jesus sends no message as to casting out of spirits.
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The conclusion therefore is, that those possessed were afflicted with bodily and mental diseases, which Christ cured.
Hope this helps
Hope this helps
Amen
You are right about the meaning of devil This is why Christ called Judas a devil.
Likewise satan simply means "adversary". That is why Christ called Peter satan. Peter was being the adversary because of his love for the things of man and not understanding the things of God.
John 6
70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
Matthew 16
23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
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It appears Prentis moved on.
"How many verses"
We shall explore them all if it means you will turn from your error. And by the way I have many "pet" doctrines; if you stayed committed to the thread you might see some of them.
Insight.
While you ponder these things
Should this view not strengthen your conclusion.
And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? When the men were come unto him, they said John Baptist bath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? And in the same hour Jesus cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. Then Jesus answering said unto them, go your way and tell John what things we have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. Luke 7:19,20,21,22,23.
For all those "unknown" illnesss 2000 years ago; what do you think they were called? And where did these sayings come from?
Its about reading the Bible carefully and not allowing preconceived ideas confuse the record.
Do you think it is curious that Jesus does not say, "Behold I cast out spirits"? if the doing of this was a positive reality, Christ would have pointed it out; for the writer adds, "he in the same hour cured many of their evil spirits:" but Jesus sends no message as to casting out of spirits. .The conclusion therefore is, that those possessed were afflicted with bodily and mental diseases, which Christ cured.
Hope this helps
Let me show you why they were indeed evil spirits and not some diseased name from back in the day......
Matthew 8:29 "And, behold, they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"
To this point, Jesus Christ had never called Himself, "The Son of God", the evil spirits knew who He was, and identified Him as the Scriptures would. They also called His by name in Mark 3:11; "And unclean spirits, when they saw Him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, "Thou art the Son of God." Even the evil spirits knew Christ and believed him.
Mark 3:12; "And He straitly charged them that they should not make Him known. They knew that the time was not yet for their confinement, and when that time does come, they will be dead. They knew that this one, Jesus Christ had the power to send them back. They also know that those that have believed and repented in the name of Jesus Christ, and are washed in the blood of the Lamb, have the authority in the name of Jesus Christ to order them back to that place. When that happens, it means death for them.
A simple disease would not make this fact known,Christ being the Son of God............
As you say,read carefully......
One of the ideas the mystical initiate fraternities teach is that there is no such entity as the devil or Satan, nor a place called hell. They use that very line of reasoning, claiming belief that the devil is real and that hell is real is based on primitive superstition, ignorance, and folklore. It's one of the strategies they use to get one of their newly initiated members to refuse God's Word that Satan is an actual entity, and that hell is a real place.
As a matter of fact, those mystical secret societies treat The Bible and Christianity as a backward 'blind faith' system, because they assume their supposed mastery of natural law as superior to faith in God and His Son.
By that, they actually point to 'their' misaligned faith in themselves and the things of this world, and indirectly in the god of this world.
The people trapped in those mystical systems have yet to figure out the devilish mind-control strategy that's being played upon them. If we Christians appeal to them using Faith and belief in God's Word as written, they think we're backwards and primitive, still having the mind of ancient primordial man, while they think they're dealing with actual reality through understanding natural laws and the workings of the universe.
In that sense, trying to explain God's mysteries to them is like trying to get an empirical scientist to prove the concept of love using a lab apparatus.
As a matter of fact, those mystical secret societies treat The Bible and Christianity as a backward 'blind faith' system, because they assume their supposed mastery of natural law as superior to faith in God and His Son.
By that, they actually point to 'their' misaligned faith in themselves and the things of this world, and indirectly in the god of this world.
The people trapped in those mystical systems have yet to figure out the devilish mind-control strategy that's being played upon them. If we Christians appeal to them using Faith and belief in God's Word as written, they think we're backwards and primitive, still having the mind of ancient primordial man, while they think they're dealing with actual reality through understanding natural laws and the workings of the universe.
In that sense, trying to explain God's mysteries to them is like trying to get an empirical scientist to prove the concept of love using a lab apparatus.
Sorry Veteran...too many unanswered questions have gone before your post making your above attempt rather meanings and lacking of evidence and substance.
The lack of Scripture is also noted (once again).
Insight
Insight
When you consider Jesus' language is consistant of that day:
Description
Language Used
Diagnosis of the day
Matt. 12:22
"possessed with a devil {demon}"
blind and dumb
Mark 5:1,2,3,4,5
"a man with an unclean spirit"
insanity,schizophrenia?
Mark 9:17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27
"hath a dumb spirit"
epilepsy
Luke 13:11,12,13,14,15,16,17
"spirit of infirmity"
arthritis
John 10:20; Mark 3:21 where "he hath a devil and is mad" means "he is beside himself."
Patients today show the same symptoms as those said to be possessed with demons in New Testament times.
How can the patient's who recover with assitence of medicine and therapy be explained today?
Are you suggesting pills cast out demons?
And to prove without any doubt your theory is incorrect take careful note of what happened when Legion was cured.
How is Legion described?
"clothed and in his right mind." (Mark 5:15).
This implies that his affliction was insanity and not some other evil source.
Insight
An insane person would not have known that Christ was the Son of God,that was my point......
To this point, Jesus Christ had never called Himself, "The Son of God", the evil spirits knew who He was, and identified Him as the Scriptures would. They also called His by name in Mark 3:11; "And unclean spirits, when they saw Him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, "Thou art the Son of God." Even the evil spirits knew Christ and believed him.
As we continue through the passages identifying human false accusers it is doubtless you will begin to see why so many diligent Bible Students are putting of the mystical in place of logical sound Bible Truth.
Here is another example:
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These things saith the first and the last, which was dead and is alive; I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich), and the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those thinks which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried: and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of
life, Rev 2:8, 9, 10.
It is certain that the devil, an invisible agent, could not cast them (that is, human bodies) into prison, but a diabolos, a false-accuser, by branding them with charges before a civil magistrate, could do so.
You would have to be Scriptually negligent to suggest this diabolos are human beings (false accusers) is proved by the preceding verse, wherein they are described as Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue, or the assembly, of the adversary (tou Satanas - the Translators have left out the tou “thee”, which is before Satan, which latter means adversary).
The passage is absolutely clear when saying “Fear none of these things, which thou shalt suffer: behold, the false-accuser shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried”.
Insight
Why not?
Do I have you on record saying a person with insanity or schizophrenia cannot understand the Gospel nor come to a knowledge of God?
Be very care here N2thelight.
Insight
Here is another example:
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These things saith the first and the last, which was dead and is alive; I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich), and the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those thinks which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried: and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of
life, Rev 2:8, 9, 10.
It is certain that the devil, an invisible agent, could not cast them (that is, human bodies) into prison, but a diabolos, a false-accuser, by branding them with charges before a civil magistrate, could do so.
You would have to be Scriptually negligent to suggest this diabolos are human beings (false accusers) is proved by the preceding verse, wherein they are described as Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue, or the assembly, of the adversary (tou Satanas - the Translators have left out the tou “thee”, which is before Satan, which latter means adversary).
The passage is absolutely clear when saying “Fear none of these things, which thou shalt suffer: behold, the false-accuser shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried”.
Insight
Why not?
Do I have you on record saying a person with insanity or schizophrenia cannot understand the Gospel nor come to a knowledge of God?
Be very care here N2thelight.
Insight
Also note the madness of Legion was "transferred" to the swine, of course this does nothing to help your cause for the existence of literal demons! any more than the fact that the leprosy of Naaman cleaved to Gehazi implies that leprosy is caused by demons (2 Ki 5:27)
Insight
Insight
Cont....
The tou diabolou occurs in two other passages, where it is rendered devil and if false-accuser had been adopted a true sense would be evident.
Paul is describing the qualifications of a bishop in 1 Tim 3:6KJV
Not a novice; and the reason is given, lest being lifted up with pride, he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
The condemnation of the devil of orthodox belief would never be associated with the lifting up with pride; such lifting up would, according to the common idea of the Devil, would be pleasing to the Devil.
Would it not?
So what is the answer to 1 Tim 3:6KJV?
Here the words are krima tou diabolou; the term “krima” means legal judgment, where we get the word “crime”, which is applied to a legal offence.
Paul is stating, that being lifted up with pride, the novice might act in such a way as to expose himself to the judgment of a false-accuser. One who can charge him falsely as a result of his lack of maturity in godly affairs.
Notice Paul does not refer an invisible being, only to men! Once again, I keep reinforcing the need to consider the context of each individual passage.
Here context is provided in the next verse.
1 Tim. 3:7KJV Moreover he must have a good report of them that are without (i.e., men of the world), lest he fall into reproach and into the snare of the false-accuser; rendered devil in the AV.
Insight
The tou diabolou occurs in two other passages, where it is rendered devil and if false-accuser had been adopted a true sense would be evident.
Paul is describing the qualifications of a bishop in 1 Tim 3:6KJV
Not a novice; and the reason is given, lest being lifted up with pride, he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
The condemnation of the devil of orthodox belief would never be associated with the lifting up with pride; such lifting up would, according to the common idea of the Devil, would be pleasing to the Devil.
Would it not?
So what is the answer to 1 Tim 3:6KJV?
Here the words are krima tou diabolou; the term “krima” means legal judgment, where we get the word “crime”, which is applied to a legal offence.
Paul is stating, that being lifted up with pride, the novice might act in such a way as to expose himself to the judgment of a false-accuser. One who can charge him falsely as a result of his lack of maturity in godly affairs.
Notice Paul does not refer an invisible being, only to men! Once again, I keep reinforcing the need to consider the context of each individual passage.
Here context is provided in the next verse.
1 Tim. 3:7KJV Moreover he must have a good report of them that are without (i.e., men of the world), lest he fall into reproach and into the snare of the false-accuser; rendered devil in the AV.
Insight
It’s amazing how a believer can establish wrong notions around a particular word. Words such as devil, satan, lucifer etc. all carry either right or wrong notions depending your spiritual upbringing.
Let us consider another passage where a human false-accuser is conveyed.
Peter writes in 1 Peter 5:8KJV a well-known and often used passage to support a supernatural being.
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
The phrase diabolos here refers to a human false-accuser as the definitive article is used – in other words we have the rare situation where “adversary” proceeds its use.
The word for adversary is antidikos, which happens to mean an opponent at law.
Peter is teaching that believers mush take great care regarding their conduct so members of society will not take opportunity to charge them with any violation of the law of moral duty
Antidikos – within this word is dike, which means “moral goodness before the civil magistrate”
How much more simple would this passage be if translated as follows:
Be sober, be vigilant, because your opponent, the false-accuser, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
Let us consider another passage where a human false-accuser is conveyed.
Peter writes in 1 Peter 5:8KJV a well-known and often used passage to support a supernatural being.
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
The phrase diabolos here refers to a human false-accuser as the definitive article is used – in other words we have the rare situation where “adversary” proceeds its use.
The word for adversary is antidikos, which happens to mean an opponent at law.
Peter is teaching that believers mush take great care regarding their conduct so members of society will not take opportunity to charge them with any violation of the law of moral duty
Antidikos – within this word is dike, which means “moral goodness before the civil magistrate”
How much more simple would this passage be if translated as follows:
Be sober, be vigilant, because your opponent, the false-accuser, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
You still missing my point,noone knew that He(Christ)was the Son of God......He had yet to reveal this fact
Mark 3:11 "And unclean spirits, when they saw Him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, "Thou art the Son of God.
Underline in your mind the word "saw" him. These "evil spirits" observed Jesus and they knew exactly who He was.....
Mark 3:12 "And He straitly charged them that they should not make Him known."
Are you pulling my leg? Your not for real are you? Are you saying that no one knew that Jesus was the Son of God?
N2thelight.
Luke 1:35 was known to many more than you have limited. There were many of Gods spiritual children who anticipated the Son of God see Psa 87:1,2,3,4, Psa 87:5.6,7 (note connection with the power of the highest establishing Zion through his beloved Son) A remnant knew he was coming!
“The holy thing” - Greek: “Holy begotten thing”. "The only begotten” read all of John 1!!! Many were searching the law and prophets for his coming.
Jesus Christ would be the very centre of His offerings. Jesus Christ for many who understood the School Master (Law) led many to the Christ; Jesus is the “The hallowed thing of Yahweh” Lev 19:5,6,7,8, The one who would be called the “Called son of God” and while not many were revealed such things!!! Nathaniel in John 1:49 did, Peter did Matt 14:33, John 6:69, Matt 6:16, Martha John 11:27 and at the last, the Roman centurion Matt 27:54
N2thelight.
Luke 1:35 was known to many more than you have limited. There were many of Gods spiritual children who anticipated the Son of God see Psa 87:1,2,3,4, Psa 87:5.6,7 (note connection with the power of the highest establishing Zion through his beloved Son) A remnant knew he was coming!
“The holy thing” - Greek: “Holy begotten thing”. "The only begotten” read all of John 1!!! Many were searching the law and prophets for his coming.
Jesus Christ would be the very centre of His offerings. Jesus Christ for many who understood the School Master (Law) led many to the Christ; Jesus is the “The hallowed thing of Yahweh” Lev 19:5,6,7,8, The one who would be called the “Called son of God” and while not many were revealed such things!!! Nathaniel in John 1:49 did, Peter did Matt 14:33, John 6:69, Matt 6:16, Martha John 11:27 and at the last, the Roman centurion Matt 27:54
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And how were they revealed such things?
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Matt 16:17
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I cannot believe I am having to teach you these simple teachings? You ought to know these prophecies (Isa 7:14; 9:1-7) were kept hidden in the hearts of many poor and meek in Israel. These are the basic oracles of God.
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Please, reconsider your position revisit this material and plot a different course with God's blessing.
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Insight
While we already covered James 4:7 in another thread
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Here James is teaching the submission of mind to God, but on the other hand, resistance on the other carnal mind within See Rom 8:5,6,7,8,9 and so on).
We can submit to the thinking of the flesh and become subordinate to its whimsical desires and in doing so, develop a falsely-accusing state of mind which take possessing of ourselves for a time) we are encouraged to resist the diabolos and in doing so it will flee.
Insight
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Here James is teaching the submission of mind to God, but on the other hand, resistance on the other carnal mind within See Rom 8:5,6,7,8,9 and so on).
We can submit to the thinking of the flesh and become subordinate to its whimsical desires and in doing so, develop a falsely-accusing state of mind which take possessing of ourselves for a time) we are encouraged to resist the diabolos and in doing so it will flee.
Insight
Sadly the belief in supernatural monsters were not so in Israel, or during the reformation period where so many of todays Christian churches held the truth concerning human false accusers. Even some here who we could call spiritual lawyers who have followed in the paths of their church fathers assume a right understanding by blanketing every single passage where devil is mention to mean a make believe monster.
How much money has been raised by such a prosperous trade as devil, hell, eternal torment etc over the past 2000 years?
Staggering I say!
Go into the Word and consider how many enemies a believer must fight against? And then consider the many forms that enemy can present its fiery darts?
Weigh this against the command to love your neighbour? And to even love your enemy!
Paul taught us to be on constant watch, not for make believe monsters that scare little children in their beds at night! But the very real threat of falling into the power and becoming a false accuser – therefore I leave you for now with this advice of Pauls
be able to withstand the wiles of the false-accuser, put on, the whole, and not a part!!!, of the armour of God.
Diabolos is a Human False-Accuser manifested in various forms and by various means.
It’s the honour of Kings to search out this matter
Amen
How much money has been raised by such a prosperous trade as devil, hell, eternal torment etc over the past 2000 years?
Staggering I say!
Go into the Word and consider how many enemies a believer must fight against? And then consider the many forms that enemy can present its fiery darts?
Weigh this against the command to love your neighbour? And to even love your enemy!
Paul taught us to be on constant watch, not for make believe monsters that scare little children in their beds at night! But the very real threat of falling into the power and becoming a false accuser – therefore I leave you for now with this advice of Pauls
be able to withstand the wiles of the false-accuser, put on, the whole, and not a part!!!, of the armour of God.
Diabolos is a Human False-Accuser manifested in various forms and by various means.
It’s the honour of Kings to search out this matter
Amen
