Fundamentalist Christianity breeds narcissism/bigotry

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The Dispensationalist reads looking for "dispensations".... Covenant Theologians read looking for "covenants"......
I suppose that you can fall into that if you aren't careful. Definitely guard against that if you find that's what you are doing. Personally I don't just assume that's what everyone does.

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It sounds like they are saying "someone who believes the Bible actually says a certain thing, and holds tightly to it."

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It's also saying that fundamentalists have "a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions, leading to an emphasis on purity and the desire to return to a previous ideal from which advocates believe members have strayed."
 
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Not everything that people believe is nonsense. Some of us read the Bible to understand God's word as clearly as possible. Others read it to reinforce previously held opinions.

I decided about 30 years ago to abandon everything that I brought with me into Christianity. I had been saved for years but I had grown tired of believing things because someone else told me it was true. I decided to get it myself. I questioned everything for a very long time. Until I could know the subjects myself. It has been a very freeing experience. I can tell you, that I bring very little baggage with me to the study of the Scriptures. I've found very few that do the same.

Most people are too lazy to do the work needed to establish their theology themselves. They expect others to do it for them.
 

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I suppose that you can fall into that if you aren't careful. Definitely guard against that if you find that's what you are doing. Personally I don't just assume that's what everyone does.

Much love!

Sure you have.
 

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Personally I find fundamentalists to be intolerant. They believe that what they believe is synonymous with God's truth, and those who don't agree with them are disagreeing with God Himself. It is the epitome of arrogance IMHO.

I find that this characteristic is usually found in KJVOs, although the two aren't necessarily synonymous. It's Pharisaic behavior. (see below).
 

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I decided about 30 years ago to abandon everything that I brought with me into Christianity. I had been saved for years but I had grown tired of believing things because someone else told me it was true. I decided to get it myself. I questioned everything for a very long time. Until I could know the subjects myself. It has been a very freeing experience. I can tell you, that I bring very little baggage with me to the study of the Scriptures. I've found very few that do the same.

Most people are too lazy to do the work needed to establish their theology themselves. They expect others to do it for them.

How modest of you!

Do you actually believe that people will pay attention to you when you write something this pompous: " I bring very little baggage with me to the study of the Scriptures. I've found very few that do the same...Most people are too lazy to do the work needed to establish their theology themselves. They expect others to do it for them."
 

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How modest of you!

Do you actually believe that people will pay attention to you when your right something this pompous: "Most people are too lazy to do the work needed to establish their theology themselves. They expect others to do it for them."

I'm not finished. However, I have put forth the effort myself. It shows in what I say. If you don't believe me, it really doesn't matter. God has the record. I don't want anything from you. No praise. Nothing. I don't want your money nor your approval.

Yes. The vast majority of Christians are too lazy to build a theology. They let others believe for them.......

Consider the noble Bereans.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
 

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I'm not finished. However, I have put forth the effort myself. It shows in what I say. If you don't believe me, it really doesn't matter. God has the record. I don't want anything from you. No praise. Nothing. I don't want your money nor your approval.

Yes. The vast majority of Christians are too lazy to build a theology. They let others believe for them.......

Consider the noble Bereans.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Do you actually have the chutzpah to write that "the vast majority of Christians are too lazy to build a theology". Have you actually surveyed "the vast majority of Christians" about their theology?

And what does your theology have to do with Hebrews 4:6? " Therefore it remains for some to enter it, yet those to whom it was previously proclaimed did not enter because of disobedience." You're clearly mixing theology and disobedience.

BTW, does your Bible contain these verses? “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own?" Matthew 7:1-3, NET

Or do you choose to simply ignore them in creating your self-righteousness?
 

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It's also saying that fundamentalists have "a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions, leading to an emphasis on purity and the desire to return to a previous ideal from which advocates believe members have strayed."
Thank you for highlighting that! Yes, wanting others to hold to the same thing.

:)

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Personally I find fundamentalists to be intolerant. They believe that what they believe is synonymous with God's truth, and those who don't agree with them are disagreeing with God Himself. It is the epitome of arrogance IMHO.

I find that this characteristic is usually found in KJVOs, although the two aren't necessarily synonymous. It's Pharisaic behavior. (see below).
I consider myself very fundamentalist, however, I'm not of the mind that I've got everything right.

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Do you actually have the chutzpah to write that "the vast majority of Christians are too lazy to build a theology". Have you actually surveyed "the vast majority of Christians" about their theology?

And what does your theology have to do with Hebrews 4:6? " Therefore it remains for some to enter it, yet those to whom it was previously proclaimed did not enter because of disobedience." You're clearly mixing theology and disobedience.

BTW, does your Bible contain these verses? “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own?" Matthew 7:1-3, NET

Or do you choose to simply ignore them in creating your self-righteousness?

Paste mistake. Windows 10 very seldom copies right the first time. I had a previous verse on my clipboard that I didn't notice. It should have been

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Why are you judging me? Is it common for you to post a verse on "not judging" while you're "judging" someone yourself?

Look. Take it for what it is worth. I've spent time dealing with Christians in various settings in my life. Everyone wants things simple.

How many people do you know that buy books to "kick start" what they believe?????

Pretty much everyone. This age of men what it NOW.....
 
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Give us a specific example about this so-called "conflation".

That an silly translation owned and produce by a corrupt monarchy ( The KJV ) is the "perfect" work of God of continuing the Scriptures throughout all generations.....

That is silly junk you find in some fundamentalist circles. That is conflation.
 
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Paste mistake. Windows 10 very seldom copies right the first time. I had a previous verse on my clipboard that I didn't notice. It should have been

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Why are you judging me? Is it common for you to post a verse on "not judging" while you're "judging" someone yourself?

Look. Take it for what it is worth. I've spent time dealing with Christians in various settings in my life. Everyone wants things simple.

How many people do you know that buy books to "kick start" what they believe?????

Pretty much everyone. This age of men what it NOW.....

First of all, it's absurd to believe that Windows 10 very seldom copies right the first time. I used that OS for years and never had a problem. Why not upgrade to Windows 11 and/or buy a new PC?

I've also spent time dealing with Christians in various settings in my life. I don't agree with the blanket statement that everyone wants things simple. There are those who want easy answers, but there are also those who dig deeper for better understanding. When I ran a Bible study at our church I rarely found people looking for easy answers. That's probably why they were attending the Bible study!

I don't know what you mean by "how many people do you know that buy books to "kick start" what they believe?" In fact, it seems contradictory. Why would anyone "kick start" what they already believe? "Pretty much everyone"? Really; almost everyone? I have no idea what you mean by "this age of men what it NOW". What "age of men"? Want what NOW?
 
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That an silly translation owned and produce by a corrupt monarchy ( The KJV ) is the "perfect" work of God of continuing the Scriptures throughout all generations.....
...says the Very one who quotes Truth, FROM the KJV?:
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please "make up our minds" IF KJV Is not "God's Preserved Word"
then why would you TRUST It, And quote from It? non-conflation??

BTW: "KJVOs are today's Pharisees." I resemble that remark... :(
 
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First of all, it's absurd to believe that Windows 10 very seldom copies right the first time. I used that OS for years and never had a problem. Why not upgrade to Windows 11 and/or buy a new PC?

I've worked in IT professionally since the 90s. The last few major updates to Windows 10 have introduced random issues with the clipboard. Many people suffer from it. If you're experiencing the issue, it is almost impossible to fix. A new profile can fix it for a time but it usually returns.

Windows 11 has the same issue. I generally don't "buy new PC" when I have issues and it will not necessarily fix the issue if you did. Microsoft knows about it. It is complicated. Billions of lines of code. Windows 11 isn't ready for corporate use.

I've also spent time dealing with Christians in various settings in my life. I don't agree with the blanket statement that everyone wants things simple. There are those who want easy answers, but there are also those who dig deeper for better understanding. When I ran a Bible study at our church I rarely found people looking for easy answers. That's probably why they were attending the Bible study!

I bet you didn't tolerate dissent did you? If someone seriously disagreed with you, what would you do? I bet you'd tell them to "move on".....

That is what people do. Their kindness ends when you disagree with them. Christianity is full of egomaniacs. Disagree with me all you want. Please do. I have no agenda involving acceptance or rejection. It is what it is. I have nothing to sell.

I don't know what you mean by "how many people do you know that buy books to "kick start" what they believe?" In fact, it seems contradictory. Why would anyone "kick start" what they already believe? "Pretty much everyone"? Really; almost everyone? I have no idea what you mean by "this age of men what it NOW". What "age of men"? Want what NOW?

So why do you believe others were doing good by coming to YOUR training?

Why not study themselves. I have everything you have and maybe more. I know how to study. I don't need your conclusion. I just need the facts.

However, that is not how "discipleship" is taught today. "Discipleship" is all about being identical to another man, not Jesus Christ.
 

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...says the Very one who quotes Truth, FROM the KJV?:

What I quoted isn't corrupted. I don't have a "all or nothing mentality". That junk comes from cult membership. I'm not a cult member. Truth is truth.

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Please "make up our minds" IF KJV Is not "God's Preserved Word"
then why would you TRUST It, And quote from It? non-conflation??

BTW: "KJVOs are today's Pharisees." I resemble that remark... :(

I know when the KJV is right and when it is wrong. I trust parts of it. I don't throw the baby out with the "bathwater".
 

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I know when the KJV is right and when it is wrong. I trust parts of it. I don't throw the baby out with the "bathwater".
So now "man is the authority" instead of God? Isn't that Exactly why
"corrupted" faith comes from the "parts I CANNOT trust," when
God HIMSELF Teaches:

"ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration of God, and is
Profitable


for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."​

Wow! SIX "trusting" PROBLEMS In That ONE Passage Alone, IF:

"there are parts that are Corrupt and cannot be trusted."

OK, I might as well QUIT God right now, because there is NO WAY
to: "...live BY EVERY Word That Proceedeth Out Of The MOUTH Of
God." (Mat 4:4). Correct?

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So now "man is the authority" instead of God? Isn't that Exactly why
"corrupted" faith comes from the "parts I CANNOT trust," when
God HIMSELF Teaches:

"ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration of God, and is
Profitable


for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."​

Wow! SIX "trusting" PROBLEMS In That ONE Passage Alone, IF:

"there are parts that are Corrupt and cannot be trusted."

OK, I might as well QUIT God right now, because there is NO WAY
to: "...live BY EVERY Word That Proceedeth Out Of The MOUTH Of
God." (Mat 4:4). Correct?

GRACE And Peace...

Do you know how terribly shallow your comments are above?

The KJV CHANGED the Scriptures before it in the Geneva Bible. Why wasn't the Geneva "good enough" for that despot sinner king james?
 
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However, that is not how "discipleship" is taught today. "Discipleship" is all about being identical to another man, not Jesus Christ.

You have many ideas that are foreign to me. Maybe you don't live where there are too many Christians? Lot's of humanistic churches? Every church I've been in long enough to know what they said about this, discipleship is following Jesus. So maybe find a better church?

And just the same, Paul wrote, "be ye imitators of me", since he imitates Christ. Oh, and Jesus gave to us teachers, to equip us to build each other up in love.

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