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I think that you are buying the propaganda campaigns and not the truth.
It's a horrible thing. I hate saying what I must. I don't like discussing sin.
God is not in this for the vast majority of humanity. Just a few. A "netzer" or remnant.
St. SteVen
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Is Colby Martin a Christian?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHJqV4O4yz4MMPZxWNJ3xLtrJwH_I3gMs
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St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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Okay. So...
- Are you saying that a person born with same sex attraction is a sinner?
- Are you saying that a woman with high testosterone levels, or a man with high estrogen levels is a sinner?
- Are you saying that gender dysphoria is a sin?
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Behold
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The offer of Salvation through Christ, is universal, but the application of Salvation is Faith based.
So, the heresy of "universal" salvation (everyone is already saved). is just one more lie of the Devil, taught by people who are led of Him.
No one is born with same sex attraction. That's a repeated lie by the homosexual activists...one science has NEVER confirmed....because it is simply not possible.
High testosterone levels for women or high estrogen levels for men are a result of an endocrine disorder. It's called PCOS in women....I can't remember the name for the men's endocrine disorder. But diabetes and thyroid problems are also customary for these people.
Gender dysphoria is usually the result of some sort of trauma as a child or young adult but can be as an older adult also experiencing trauma. Which brings up the point of several highly intelligent psychologists that have repeatedly demonstrated and explained ad-nauseum how feeding into a person's trauma by endorsing their mental illness is the worst thing the psychiatric community can do. And that its only happening because its just because it's politically popular at the moment. Some people with a sexual fetish have been labeled with gender dysphoria...it's out of control in the mental health community. Along the lines of creating an opiate addiction for someone with a broken leg so they stop feeling the pain.
Rockerduck
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Born again from above Christians can Judge. How else are we to test on spiritual things without the gift that the Holy Spirit enables us to do.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 - But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Gabriel _Arch
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Why do you assail Christians when you don't respect our beliefs or the scripture.
The thread asked about gay Christians. The thread inquired of one particular abomination,sin. And God long ago gave his answer. You don't have to like it. However,you will answer for it if you don't repent.
And that's all there is to it. Christianity isn't tolerant. Christianity isn't Woke.
Gabriel _Arch
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Laugh.
Yes,Christians are entitled to use righteous judgement,afforded by following God's directives.
If you are a sexually active sodomite you are a damned sinner.
Don't come to our community any more than you'd dare walk down the center aisle of a true Bible teaching church and think you're going to cast aspersions upon God's word and change things. Churches will toss you out. The foolish will try to reason you out of trolling.
Your compulsion is un-natural for humans. And ab-normal. And in our faith an abominable sin.
Deal with it. Or don't. It's your eternity.
St. SteVen
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Not true.
I was in a support group at church with a Christian man that still still struggles with same-sex attraction.
It doesn't go away typically.
So, you don't consider it a sin then. Good.
There are a quite a number of parents testimonies of children who had 4 or 5 year olds who gravitated to the opposite gender.
A lot of videos from Ted Talks on the subject. Here's just one.
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St. SteVen
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I'm challenging you, not assailing you.
It's not a sin to stand up for an oppressed group of individuals.
The church needs to come to grips with this issue.
It;s being handled very poorly. IMHO
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Ok...
Once again I don't believe Ted or his talks.
I believe God.
And I personally know very heterosexual people that have the endocrine disorders...an endocrine disorder does NOT have anything to do with homosexuality. Far from it.
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Same sex attraction?
They are likely lost because of the sin in their life ....because of WHAT PAUL SAID....whom I believe over anyone else.
I suggest that you read Romans 1&2. Study it hardcore...don't let someone else color your view...Paul was extremely clear. Homosexuality and homosexual lust is the very definition of moral turpitude...which was defined by Paul. All the why and how is there.
Jesus never once played "footsie" with sin...He destroyed it EVERY TIME....He didn't excuse it or make excuses for people.
Sin is insidious...you commit it and those you love the most pay the consequences for it.
Again God is not in this for high numbers....
NARROW GATE!
Ziggy
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As I was heading out of the hospital today, I was taking my time going down the stairs because my legs don't work so good.
This girl walking up the sidewalk looked at me and asked if I needed any help.
I said I was fine, just taking my time, and thankyou for asking.
As she was walking away I called after her: Now there's a good samaritan.
And the smile on her face was like a ray of sunshine.
Was she looking for God's approval? I don't think so. I think it simply came from her heart.
When I said what I said, I didn't even think about saying it, but it made her smile.
Was I looking for God's approval? It was spontaneous, no deliberation on whether I should say or not to say.
It simply came from the heart.
These are good works. This is loving thy neighbor.
These things come from the heart and not for the approval of God, but I believe God would approve.
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And where is THAT in scripture? NOWHERE. Judgement is ONLY left to GOD.
How about common sense...FROM the Holy Spirit?
By the same token, lest we be so FULL of ourselves to believe that WE have ALL the answers...
Ziggy
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It started with homosexuality and now it's spread to gender modification, where you change your genitals to match what you believe your gender should be.
And if it were only adults I would say,they have to live with their own decisions. But it's not anymore.
They are convincing children that they can CHOOSE whatever gender they want to be whenever they want to be.
And convincing the parents that it is child abuse if they don't allow their children genital modification, in which there is no come back from that. Once the damage is done it's permanant.
Sin is like: if you give it an inch it will take it as far as your willing to give it.
Homosexuality is a physical sin. When the body dies the sin will die with it.
Is Homosexuality a spiritual sin?
As far as the heart goes, you can't always control who you love. I get that.
But it doesn't end with just the loving part, it becomes an outward manifestation of 2 of the same genders ... I want to say lusting after each others physical bodies. And it's this lusting that is a spiritual sin.
Jesus said that if a man looks at a woman to lust after her then that is a sin. So what then of a man lusting after another man?
And for what purpose?
A man and a woman together can procreate and make a child. It has a purpose and a function.
But 2 men or 2 women, neither of which have the creative ability to produce a family. What purpose does it serve?
I believe you want to love whom you want to love, God's not going to judge you for loving another person.
But when it becomes physical attraction, then that is simply a flesh desire which we are told to be putting away and not giving into
those types of behaviors.
And what their doing to the children today is absolutely criminal.
They are taking our willingness to accept their "oppression" and turning that "oppression" on innocent children, to make more people like themselves, so in the end society itself will only be filled with oppressed people and no one will be responsible for their own actions.
It's a slippery slope indeed.
That's my thoughts.
Hugs
And if it were only adults I would say,they have to live with their own decisions. But it's not anymore.
They are convincing children that they can CHOOSE whatever gender they want to be whenever they want to be.
And convincing the parents that it is child abuse if they don't allow their children genital modification, in which there is no come back from that. Once the damage is done it's permanant.
Sin is like: if you give it an inch it will take it as far as your willing to give it.
Homosexuality is a physical sin. When the body dies the sin will die with it.
Is Homosexuality a spiritual sin?
As far as the heart goes, you can't always control who you love. I get that.
But it doesn't end with just the loving part, it becomes an outward manifestation of 2 of the same genders ... I want to say lusting after each others physical bodies. And it's this lusting that is a spiritual sin.
Jesus said that if a man looks at a woman to lust after her then that is a sin. So what then of a man lusting after another man?
And for what purpose?
A man and a woman together can procreate and make a child. It has a purpose and a function.
But 2 men or 2 women, neither of which have the creative ability to produce a family. What purpose does it serve?
I believe you want to love whom you want to love, God's not going to judge you for loving another person.
But when it becomes physical attraction, then that is simply a flesh desire which we are told to be putting away and not giving into
those types of behaviors.
And what their doing to the children today is absolutely criminal.
They are taking our willingness to accept their "oppression" and turning that "oppression" on innocent children, to make more people like themselves, so in the end society itself will only be filled with oppressed people and no one will be responsible for their own actions.
It's a slippery slope indeed.
That's my thoughts.
Hugs
St. SteVen
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I really don't care what anyone says other than God. Man's word is cheap. Jesus is the living word of God. It's not hiding my head in the sand...I simply believe God over and above anyone else.
Just saying....
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