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St. SteVen

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Discipline is not just about negative consequences for negative behaviors....it's a complete system of encouraging positive behaviors and of course rewards for doing them. That includes words of encouragement and affirmation. If you only beat your kids when they do wrong but otherwise ignore them....that's going to create problem children who are mostly miserable people in EVERY aspect of life.
I agree.
But aren't you abandoning the Bible for human reasoning?
I thought you didn't believe Ted or his talks. - LOL

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they CAN be saved and there are many who use to be gay who are now saved anyone can be saved there has to be a change.. see there is no such thing as a gay Christian , that is not repentance
exactly my near and dear friend .
Changed . You see our identity is in CHRIST . no true christain would IDENITY with sin .
They would fight even agaist and hate even the very evils of their own flesh .
GOD changes hearts indeed .
What they wont do is IDENTIFY , aka JUSTIFY their sin . I mean lets take a good long look
at a real simple example .
IF i came within a church and stood up and said I am a MURDERING CHRISTAIN , i kill on occasion
its HOW GOD MADE ME and all is well . WHO HERE gonna say or even think i was fine or even knew GOD .
YET when it comes to certain other sins , THE church falls for it .
Even bringing in the rainbow and not only not trying to correct the sins but even EMBRACING the sin and calling it love .
Folks are terrified of that sin . Cause society and men have made them terrified to even dare say one word
against that particular sin .
Try and imagine walking into a church where it had photos of murdered people all over it
and then it says HEY we are just trying to make MURDERES feel welcome here too .
That has become the problem . IN ORDER TO WIN the WORLD the church now believes it has to PANDER TO SIN .
that was a huge mistake too and thus leaven has indeed filled many places full .
 

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Violence is what got the world flooded...Noah and his ark. (I currently have no boat)

Discipline is not just about negative consequences for negative behaviors....it's a complete system of encouraging positive behaviors and of course rewards for doing them. That includes words of encouragement and affirmation. If you only beat your kids when they do wrong but otherwise ignore them....that's going to create problem children who are mostly miserable people in EVERY aspect of life.

YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary.
Not just violence , there were many LUST filled hearts doing evil continually. BUT YES violence was indeed full throughout the world
at that time . PS , pope franics , yeah that man and that green agenda , IT WONT be saving this world
TRUTH is ITS GONNA BRING DOWN the ALL MIGHTY WRATH OF GOD upon the world
cause that all incusive world peace fake love , denies JESUS as the CHRIST , the need to beleive on him
and it will honor all religoins . BAD NEWS FOR ALL WHO DO THIS .
 
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Our church has several gay Christians. Simon, when I asked for prayer, I know who prayed. God sees who loves much - and who loves little. Whoever has ears to hear, let 'em hear.
 
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And by the signs of the times the COMING OF KING JESUS is FAR CLOSER than what many suspect in these last days .
Just a friendly reminder . the signs of the times are both showing and telling the lambs something that the world cannot discern .
 

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One has to earn their salvation by changing the way they live and if they don't they lose their salvation and go to hell instead
Let's look at the implications of your response.
A rapist can, in your view, become a Christian and can carry on raping women, a thief can become a Christian and can continue to make a living by stealing.

Can you see why when a ' sinner ' becomes a Christian things change in their lives.

Jesus said if you Love me, you will Obey my commands.

No where in Jesus commands is the possibility of continuing a live of sin.
 

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Can you see why when a ' sinner ' becomes a Christian things change in their lives.

Jesus said if you Love me, you will Obey my commands.

No where in Jesus commands is the possibility of continuing a live of sin.
I agree. But will we ever stop sinning?
If salvation depends on that, we are ALL doomed. Maranatha!

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I agree.
But aren't you abandoning the Bible for human reasoning?
I thought you didn't believe Ted or his talks. - LOL

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No...I'm actually emulating exactly what scripture relates to us.
The primary focus of what scriptures relates to us is how and why to love the unlovable.
And when to stop trying to truly love. (Never)

God has been trying to love and save mankind since the beginning....and due to mankind's insistence in rebellion God is not interested in saving everyone...only those He considers worthy. (Those returning that love by their BEST EFFORTS)


We, mankind, only see things from our worldly perspective...God is not so limited in His view. He has an "all of eternity" viewpoint. Lots of souls from across the 6,000+ years in this galaxy/universe. (We really shouldn't be all that important to Him)

God is good....I am not. I would rather be destroyed than let God be wrong...because God is good.

There's literally TONS of freedom in following Christ. However that freedom is not a license to sin. NARROW GATE. Only a few people will make it and they receive no fanfare by the masses.

My heros include such guys like Caleb and Stephen....the least being the best. These guys had a passion for giving their all. They were dismissed by everyone as being crazy, nuts, dillusional, and overly gung-ho.
But the things Stephen is recorded as saying....I can't even imagine....
 
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Our church has several gay Christians. Simon, when I asked for prayer, I know who prayed. God sees who loves much - and who loves little. Whoever has ears to hear, let 'em hear.
Tell me what is the difference between a die hard muslim and a christain who supports their own sin .
YOU want the true answer , I dare you , challenge you and even beg and plead with you
to go read the bible . cause YOU AINT gonna like the answer .
we should both KNOW a muslim is in a lie cause the muslim dont believe JESUS to be THE CHRIST
but even that more and more churches no longer even believe .
WHAT you dont know or dont want to know is this . HOW MUCH WORSE a punishment awaits
not the ice cold , but the lukewarm , IF the LUKEWARM repents not .
Anyone who wont correct a brother or sister in a sin , but rather thinks they love them by saying nothing to them
OR supporting their sin , MAY AS WELL be saying , DIE YOU WICKED MONSTER DIE . cause any love
that wont correct sin but rather allows the sinner to feel saved or feel fine while in sin
is no different than if a man sat and watched CHILDREN skating on deadly thin ice
but just cause their pastor or mind told them their safe , and thus warned not the children to not skate on thin ice
but instead sat on the sidelines and cheered the children on and said GOD IS LOVE you skate on
WHEN THE ICE BREAKS through and the children drown , TRY TELLING YOURSELF you loved them . cause YOU DIDNT
you let them do as they wanted , you let them THINK it was okay to skate on the ice and yet their end was death .
GOD WARNS , GOD CORRECTS , and by the SPIRIT SO WOULD HIS PEOPLE CORRECT those in error .
 

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I agree. But will we ever stop sinning?
If salvation depends on that, we are ALL doomed. Maranatha!

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The question should be , SHOULD WE EVER STOP correcting or warning the church TO NOT SIN .
BULLSEYE BINGO . yalls rainbow will destroy the very people YOU THINK you love .
cause yalls love WONT CORRECT SIN and error . TRY PONDERING ON THAT FOR A WHILE .
cause the last time i checked , God WHO IS LOVE , always warned those in error TO REPENT .
GUESS this generation has rather bought the lie that wont save A SOUL . Ever wonder
why paul said what he said in his letters . though the more abundantely i love you the less i be loved .
CAUSE LOVE DOES CORRECT , LOVE DOES REJOICE IN TRUTH , LOVE dont close its eyes to sin and pretend all will be okay
WHEN THE END OF SIN IS DEATH . Salvation depends on DID WE REALLY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST
and IF WE DID , I GOT SERIOUS NEWS , WE WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY BELIEVED HIM . aka HIS WORDS.
aka THE TRUTH . aka WE WOULD have believed what was also written . and guess what
Man with man and women with women IS STILL SIN . we would have corrected those within the church
and we would have preached THE TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TO the lost and not rather
this pile of CRAP social all inclusive sin accepting many pathway to GOD LIE FROM HELLL . Case you have not noticed
CHRISTENDOM not only has been infected by the lie , IT CAME mainly from those within said place .
TIME WE STOP listening to common ground liars who preach nothing but a lie that sounds good
and rather GET IN THE BIBLE FOR OURSELVES .
 

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There's literally TONS of freedom in following Christ. However that freedom is not a license to sin. NARROW GATE. Only a few people will make it and they receive no fanfare by the masses.
If the narrow way passage refers to salvation and the afterlife, that raises more difficult questions.

"Few there be that find it..."
Is God playing a high-stakes game with our souls?
Does he make sport of our eternal destiny?
Is salvation keyed to solving a puzzle?
Are we gambling with grace?

No!; a thousand times no!

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If the narrow way passage refers to salvation and the afterlife, that raises more difficult questions.

"Few there be that find it..."
Is God playing a high-stakes game with our souls?
Does he make sport of our eternal destiny?
Is salvation keyed to solving a puzzle?
Are we gambling with grace?

No!; a thousand times no!

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Always thinking but never able to grasp the simple truth .
always learning but never able to come to the truth .
THAT be THIS LOVEY DO GREEN PEACE ALL INCLUSIVE SOCIAL GOSPEL SIN ACCEPTING LIE from hades
and those who do sit under it . TIME WE BIBLE UP .
MANY claim to believe on JESUS the CHRIST and yet BELIEVE NOT THE TRUTH HE SPOKE
the TRUTH HE INSPIRED through the prophets and aposltes .
GOT real bad news about all of that . The devils believe too ...........dont expect to see them in GLORY LAND .
 
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If the narrow way passage refers to salvation and the afterlife, that raises more difficult questions.

"Few there be that find it..."
Is God playing a high-stakes game with our souls?
Does he make sport of our eternal destiny?
Is salvation keyed to solving a puzzle?
Are we gambling with grace?

No!; a thousand times no!

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Nope, it's actually rather simple. REJECT SIN IN ALL FORMS including homosexuality.....
No exceptions, no excuses, and no seeking loopholes.

Love is not difficult or hard, it's hardwired into ALL of us. Fear is learned. (Babies on plexiglass) Hate is learned....same with lying, stealing, and perversion.

Unlearning is one of the most difficult things for us to do. It is simple....but remarkably difficult for sinful mankind....we seem to have pet sins we always refuse to give up.
 
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