God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[Curtis]

It is clear from Genesis 26:5 that not everything God commanded was recorded in the Bible. There may not be Biblical proof that God gave the ten commandments to His people, but there is evidence. How did god expect Abel to know murder was a sin? And how did Joseph know adultery was a sin?

A better question is, why wasn’t Cain put to death for murder, as the law requires, and why wasn’t it called a sin for Abraham to sleep with the maid, but yet David sinned when he slept with Bathsheba?

Answer: the law wasn’t given until 430 years after Abraham, wrote Paul, and also wrote that sin was not imputed (they weren’t held accountable for sin) when there was no law, which was from Adam to Moses.

Thus Cain wasn’t killed for murder, and Abraham wasn’t punished for adultery- nor even called an adulterer - because the law wasn’t given yet, whereas David was under the law when he sinned.

Cain knew he did wrong, because of a god given thing called a conscience, which is called Gods law written on our hearts.

Joseph had one of those pesky consciences, too.

Maranatha

 

[Curtis]

The sole reason God took six days to create everything, instead of six seconds, or even 1 second, then rested on the seventh day - when He wasn’t the least bit tired or in need of a rest - was as a prophetical foreshadow of their being six thousand years, or days, between the first Adam and the second coming of the last Adam and the thousand year reign of Jesus, which will be the seventh day, aka Gods rest for His people that remains (remains unfulfilled until Jesus returns).

This is called the sabbath- millennium doctrine or teaching, and it was taught by the early church, such as by Barnabas.

Gods rest for His people that remains, aka the millennial reign, is what is alluded to in Hebrews chapter 4.

The 7th day sabbath command was a ceremonial day of rest that was another foreshadow of Jesus being our sabbath rest on the seventh day, or 7 thousandth year from Adam, and was commanded to be kept as a day of rest only to the nation of Israel as a covenant sign, which was in effect until the law of Moses covenant was ended by Jesus giving us the new, better covenant, founded on better promises, with two love commands replacing the Decalogue, that have no days commanded to be kept.

Shalom Aleichem

 

[BarneyFife]

The sole reason God took six days to create everything, instead of six seconds, or even 1 second, then rested on the seventh day - when He wasn’t the least bit tired or in need of a rest - was as a prophetical foreshadow of their being six thousand years, or days, between the first Adam and the second coming of the last Adam and the thousand year reign of Jesus, which will be the seventh day, aka Gods rest for His people that remains (remains unfulfilled until Jesus returns).

This is called the sabbath- millennium doctrine or teaching, and it was taught by the early church, such as by Barnabas.

Gods rest for His people that remains, aka the millennial reign, is what is alluded to in Hebrews chapter 4.

The 7th day sabbath command was a ceremonial day of rest that was another foreshadow of Jesus being our sabbath rest on the seventh day, or 7 thousandth year from Adam, and was commanded to be kept as a day of rest only to the nation of Israel as a covenant sign, which was in effect until the law of Moses covenant was ended by Jesus giving us the new, better covenant, founded on better promises, with two love commands replacing the Decalogue, that have no days commanded to be kept.

Shalom Aleichem

The sole reason? Give me a break.

 

[BarneyFife]

A better question is, why wasn’t Cain put to death for murder, as the law requires, and why wasn’t it called a sin for Abraham to sleep with the maid, but yet David sinned when he slept with Bathsheba?

Answer: the law wasn’t given until 430 years after Abraham, wrote Paul, and also wrote that sin was not imputed (they weren’t held accountable for sin) when there was no law, which was from Adam to Moses.

Thus Cain wasn’t killed for murder, and Abraham wasn’t punished for adultery- nor even called an adulterer - because the law wasn’t given yet, whereas David was under the law when he sinned.

Cain knew he did wrong, because of a god given thing called a conscience, which is called Gods law written on our hearts.

Joseph had one of those pesky consciences, too.

Maranatha

Genesis is a history book, not an instruction manual. It's pretty obvious.

 

[BarneyFife]

Quoting from the law after it’s given to Israel which was not until after the exodus, doesn’t prove the law was in effect to anyone before then, especially when its talking about gentile proselytes who wanted to join the Israelites.
There wasn’t a separate law for them - why would there be?

I never said it proves that.

 

[quietthinker]

My point remains - keeping a day of rest was absolutely never COMMANDED by God, until it was given to Israel as a covenant sign and remembrance.

Imagine this happening to Israel, God saying to them through Moses: and remember you were slaves in Egypt, and I delivered you out with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, THEREFORE I am giving you this sabbath day command that has been kept already by everyone for a thousand years, as a covenant SIGN between us.

Wow, a covenant sign that has already been kept by everyone since creation, how special that would be. Not.

A covenant sign has to be something different or new, such as the rainbow sign given to Noah and us, as a covenant promise to never destroy the earth by water again.

Maranatha

you cherry pick Curtis and dismiss context....but that's your choice.

 

[Instant]

Things have changed today

I doubt any synagogue today would invite anyone to visit to preach that Jesus is the Messiah.

According to Acts they barely tolerated it back then.

Shalom

I do not think they would allow that either. The big issue with me is over the Sabbath rest being changed from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week, and there is no scripture that says this ever occurred. The church can certainly meet on the Lord's Day, and they would be doing the same thing the early Christians did, but nobody is commanded to abstain from all work on the 1st day of the week, ever. There is a debate that still continues over whether or not Christians are obligated to abstain from work on the 7th day. I do not think they are, but it is not so clear that I can prove that with absolute certainty. In reality, you could abstain from work on the 7th day, and still attend a Christian Church service on the 1st day of the week, and that should satisfy anyone, including those who believe in keeping that part of the law.

 

[quietthinker]

The sole reason God took six days to create everything, instead of six seconds, or even 1 second, then rested on the seventh day - when He wasn’t the least bit tired or in need of a rest - was as a prophetical foreshadow of their being six thousand years, or days, between the first Adam and the second coming of the last Adam and the thousand year reign of Jesus, which will be the seventh day, aka Gods rest for His people that remains (remains unfulfilled until Jesus returns).

This is called the sabbath- millennium doctrine or teaching, and it was taught by the early church, such as by Barnabas.

Gods rest for His people that remains, aka the millennial reign, is what is alluded to in Hebrews chapter 4.

The 7th day sabbath command was a ceremonial day of rest that was another foreshadow of Jesus being our sabbath rest on the seventh day, or 7 thousandth year from Adam, and was commanded to be kept as a day of rest only to the nation of Israel as a covenant sign, which was in effect until the law of Moses covenant was ended by Jesus giving us the new, better covenant, founded on better promises, with two love commands replacing the Decalogue, that have no days commanded to be kept.

Shalom Aleichem

You have got yourself tangled in your own imaginations Curtis. The 4th Commandment is straightforward and clear with no ambiguity whatsoever. It is as clear if not clearer than the other nine because it gives the reason for remembering it. If you choose to create a web around it to diminish or dismiss it; you will get caught in it, being also responsible for those your influence in this matter has beguiled.

 

[JunChosen]

Now that God's people are everywhere in Christ, adn though we are now His holy nation on earth, there need be no such confusion about days and times and weeks, because they n o longer matter, since every day and time is good for worship of Him in Spirit and in truth

Yes, definitely we can worship God any day and everyday, in fact He loves that BUT God explicitly declared also one day to which we are to assemble together one day a week on the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Pharisees and the Sadducees wanting to temp Jesus asked Him to show them a sign.
He replied:
2) When it is evening, ye say, it will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3) and in the morning, it will be foul weather, for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can you not discern the signs of the times?
4) A wicked and adulteress generation seeketh after a sign: and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the prophet Jonas."

So right you are that there be no such confusion about days and times and weeks for God chose the Seventh Day to not do any kinds of work [which has never been abrogated].

However, in Matthew 28:1 God changed the seventh day from "no work of any kinds" to intense work on the first day of the week.

Already we see this example when Jesus healed the man with the withered hand on the first day of the week [Mark 3:1-5].

The true Christians gather together on the first day of the week as per Acts 20:7
Another example is found in John 5:5-16. I suggest you folks read the whole event for it is only a few verses long.

Today the true Christians assemble together in a church on the first day of the week to listen to the Gospel, break bread, give our tithes, go to hospitals to preach the Gospel etc... for the support of the church and to send out missionaries to the world to preach the Gospel. All these are our duty to do for our Lord Jesus Christ who gave us eternal life! Yes, indeed God changed th seventh day not to do any kings of work to the first day of the week to do intense work not as the seventh day that prohibited to do any kinds of work.The context of the seventh day of no work of any kinds to be done has never been abrogated. ONLY THE DAY HAS CHANGED FROM THE SEVENTH DAY TO THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. FROM NO WORK TO INTENSE WORK!

In fact, we saw this change when Peter stood up and preached at Pentecost and 3,000 souls were saved. Did not Jesus said that we will do greater work than He? Did not Pentecost occurred on the first day of the week?

Folks if your desire is to teach specially in a forum setting make sure you have studied the subject matter you want to present by exhausting the Scripture that pertains to the subject matter only. Maybe then, and only then with prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit you might get to the truth.

There is one other matter I would like to point out that is, why did the man who picked up sticks in Numbers 15 was ordered by God to be stoned to death? Why was the punishment so severe? No one responded and the few who did their responds were in error. This can only be seen spiritually [1 Corinthians 2:11-16].

Is anyone here spiritual?

To God Be The Glory

 

[quietthinker]

ONLY THE DAY HAS CHANGED FROM THE SEVENTH DAY TO THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. FROM NO WORK TO INTENSE WORK!

God has never changed that day. Man has attempted to change it with many smooth words.....History tells us how it came about and who it was and is very proud claiming this 'change' as a mark of its authority.....just as the scripture foretold!

 

[ReChoired]

It's interesting that nowhere in the above post did I mention the Sabbath. Yet the Sabbath has been the focus of those replying. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that suggests to me that Christians are basically fine with the other 9 commandments, even though they say they are dead to the law, not under the law, free from bondage to the law etc etc, but the sticking point is the Sabbath. Seems to me to be a rather inconsistent argument these protestations that they are not under the law, but would be aghast at any suggestion they openly condone adultery or theft, while they openly vilify the Sabbath as a bondage and a burden.

Of course not Backlit, that's when they make sure to cite those NT passages which speak on them, though in detriment to their own argument, for they are citing OT texts, primarily in regards the 'Jews'. They have uneven scales of measurement.

 

[ReChoired]

Did not Pentecost ...

A once in the year event (typically), and anti-typically (once for all time), neither were 'weekly'.

 

[ReChoired]

Already we see this example when Jesus healed the man with the withered hand on the first day of the week [Mark 3:1-5].

The events of Mark 3:1-5 were accomplished on the 7th day, not the first.

Mar 3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
Mar 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
Mar 3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
Mar 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mar 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

Luk 6:6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
Luk 6:7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
Luk 6:8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
Luk 6:10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Luk 6:11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.​

 

[JunChosen]

God has never changed that day. Man has attempted to change it with many smooth words.....History tells us how it came about and who it was and is very proud claiming this 'change' as a mark of its authority.....just as the scripture foretold!

Have you done a study on Matthew 28:1; Acts 20:7; 13:42, 44; 1 Corinthians 16:2; and if you have can you expound on them?

Thanks

 

[quietthinker]

Have you done a study on Matthew 28:1; Acts 20:7; 13:42, 44; 1 Corinthians 16:2; and if you have can you expound on them?

Thanks

What is it you you find that is not self explanatory in these texts JunChosen? They are clear enough and hardly need comment.

 

[Curtis]

You have got yourself tangled in your own imaginations Curtis. The 4th Commandment is straightforward and clear with no ambiguity whatsoever. It is as clear if not clearer than the other nine because it gives the reason for remembering it. If you choose to create a web around it to diminish or dismiss it; you will get caught in it, being also responsible for those your influence in this matter has beguiled.

All the other 613 statutes, ordinances, and commands of the ended law of Moses, were also crystal clear, including animal sacrifices.

The covenant you want to cling to, given on moint Sinai, is slavery and bondage Galatians 4:32-31.

The Decalogue you cling to, is the letter that kills, the ministry iof death and condemnation given to Moses on the mountain, whereas the new covenant law of the spirit, brings life 2 Corinthians chapter 3.

Maranatha

 

[quietthinker]

All the other 613 statutes, ordinances, and commands of the ended law of Moses, were also crystal clear, including animal sacrifices.

The covenant you want to cling to, given on moint Sinai, is slavery and bondage Galatians 4:32-31.

The Decalogue you cling to, is the letter that kills, the ministry iof death and condemnation given to Moses on the mountain, whereas the new covenant law of the spirit, brings life 2 Corinthians chapter 3.

Maranatha

The Holy Spirit writes on your heart the desire to do God's Commandments, not judge them. If you then vilify God's commandments the Spirit by which you operate is surely not God's.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why was the punishment so severe?

The wages of sin have always been death. The sentence is delayed for now.

 

[BarneyFife]

A better question is, why wasn’t Cain put to death for murder, as the law requires, and why wasn’t it called a sin for Abraham to sleep with the maid, but yet David sinned when he slept with Bathsheba?

Answer: the law wasn’t given until 430 years after Abraham, wrote Paul, and also wrote that sin was not imputed (they weren’t held accountable for sin) when there was no law, which was from Adam to Moses.

Thus Cain wasn’t killed for murder, and Abraham wasn’t punished for adultery- nor even called an adulterer - because the law wasn’t given yet, whereas David was under the law when he sinned.

Cain knew he did wrong, because of a god given thing called a conscience, which is called Gods law written on our hearts.

Joseph had one of those pesky consciences, too.

Maranatha

A better question would be:

What's so hard about a 'Thus sauth The LORD?'

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy...

It couldn't get much simpler.

What's the need for all the mental gymnastics involved in looking for a loophole to excuse us from correcting an erroneous and, for some, rebellious course?

 

[BarneyFife]

When I was a kid nobody, I mean nobody, was dicing up the ten commandments. And I'm not that old. However, obviously, there weren't any animal sacrifices being offered up, either. So the "613" WAS DEFINITELY split up. I just don't get it. For every text that seems, for some, to hint that the Sabbath was annulled, there are dozens that uphold the perpetuity of the moral law. The absence of a positive Sabbath command in the New Testament is an argument from silence--a logical fallacy.

We seem to be living in a new world where personal liberty has radically eclipsed personal responsibility.

2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Rev 22:19 KJV And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.