God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.

[mailmandan]

Jesus taught that: Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved (Mk 16:16)
You need to believe Jesus.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. I believe Jesus.

 

[Gideons300]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.
The proof is found in God's word--the word that has no contradictions. Clearly, salvation is by faith. For example, Rom. 5:1 states that we are justified (declared righteous) by faith. It does not say faith and baptism. If baptism were part of salvation, then it would say we were justified by faith and baptism. But it does ""not"". If justification is by faith, then it is by faith. Baptism is ""not"" faith. It is a ceremony. It is something we do as a ritual. Proof baptism does not save is the many unbelievers that get baptized to please family and friends but remain and die unbelievers and will be in hell! Furthermore, please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved.

1. Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
2. Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
3. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
4. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
5. Baptism and John 3:5 | CARM.org
6. Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
7. Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
8. Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
9. Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

Excellent Post. May I make one observation on the subject. Baptism, the ritual of being immersed in water, is not needed for salvation, for if that were the case, the thief on the cross had no hope despite what Jesus told him. Rituals do not save. However, it is undeniable that baptism is important for new believers.

Why is this so? Because baptism was never meant to be a tag along ritual to go along with faith. Baptism was... and is.... meant to be the ultimate declaration of faith. Paul tells us that we died when Christ died. The old "us" is no longer us, for when Jesus rose from the dead, so did we. We are new creatures, and our sinful nature has been replaced by a brand new nature.

God promises that if we continue to hold up that shield of faith, believing what Jesus died for on the cross far surpasses just forgiveness of sins, that He would change us and free us from the sins that have dogged us our whole lives.

It is this that permits us to grow up into our new nature. He died that His life would become our life, and as we continue to rest on the finished work of Jesus, He promises to set us free from sin, from sel-rule, from lovelessness and to change us into His image, by filling us with spiritual fruits.

Here is the problem. Some people believe that the act of baptism somehow must accompany our salvation or we will not see Heaven. Others believe it is a ritual that we should observe if possible, but that it will not affect our salvation one way or another, for our salvation is by faith alone.

But how few at present have been given the understanding as to why baptism.... the spirit of the act.... is so very critical. It is the new believer's declaration of independence from sin's authority, from being a servant of the devil. It is the ultimate public declaration of faith that we are in agreement with God that the old us is officially dead, that we may look the same outwardly, but inside we are not just forgiven, we are freed from our old task master. Now we just have to GROW and as we continue to believe, the growth that God causes continues to change us. This is sanctification.

In these last days, God is awakening His own to the truth of who we are and we will discover the benefits of our birthright. It is far, far more than we have been taught up till now. Jesus asks us to hold up our shield of faith that He promises will quench ALL the fiery arrows of the enemy. Baptism is raising that shield for the first time.

Yes, satan will still accuse us. Yes, he will still tempt us. BUT.... if we continue to believe (reckon) that the old us is dead, not constantly trying to die, if we do not waver in the declaration of faith that baptism represents, if we continue in His Word, hold fast to it, we WILL be made free indeed just as Jesus promised.

Can we still sin after baptism. Yes. And John declares to us that IF we sin.... not when, but if.... we repent, confess it, and believe again that we are new creatures and sin has no power over us. It is in this way our faith grows and we see God growing up in us, causing us both to will (want to) AND to do (obey His voice) of His good pleasure.

Just something to chew on, and if digested properly, lol, it will make the best Thanksgiving meal we have ever had.

blessings,

Gideon

 

[GISMYS_7]

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. I believe Jesus.

He who believes and accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior are saved and will want to obey and be baptized!!

 

[Truther]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.
The proof is found in God's word--the word that has no contradictions. Clearly, salvation is by faith. For example, Rom. 5:1 states that we are justified (declared righteous) by faith. It does not say faith and baptism. If baptism were part of salvation, then it would say we were justified by faith and baptism. But it does ""not"". If justification is by faith, then it is by faith. Baptism is ""not"" faith. It is a ceremony. It is something we do as a ritual. Proof baptism does not save is the many unbelievers that get baptized to please family and friends but remain and die unbelievers and will be in hell! Furthermore, please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved.

1. Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
2. Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
3. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
4. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
5. Baptism and John 3:5 | CARM.org
6. Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
7. Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
8. Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
9. Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

You skipped Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38.

 

[Gideons300]

He who believes and accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior are saved and will want to obey and be baptized!!

Ideally, this should be the case, but if we are honest with ourselves, is it? Why do so many children of God have ended up camping out in Romans 7 rather than simply passing through it to the victory of Romans 8?

It is the same reason the children of Israel, instead of passing through the wilderness, a three week journey from Egypt, ended up running laps there for 40 years. Unbelief. If, when we are baptized, we fail to couple faith in its significance with the actual act, does it accomplish anything?

Why would Paul declare plainly in Romans 8 that we are not in the flesh (our old nature) any longer and owe it nothing? He tells us very clearly to yield ourselves to God and when we are first saved, we try to obey, don't we? Sadly, we often try much harder than we end up doing twenty years later.

Is this the truth in so many cases? These things ought not be so, and we should be concerned about why we more often than not hit a spiritual plateau, a stopping point, thinking that this is the best we can do as we are only human, right? We justify it with a casual "No one is perfect" but under that excuse is a longing for more in every one of His children.

God has clearly told us that His will for us is to be sanctified wholly, body, soul and spirit. He desires that we know how to possess our vessels in sanctification and honor, even down to bringing every thought into subjection to the obedience of Christ. Whoa. Is such a walk even possible? Absolutely.

What are we missing? Why are so few entering into the rest that remains for the people of God? Why do so many inevitably end up going trough the motions, settling for less than God has promised? The Word tells us. Yes!

We have been made new creatures, yes. BUT, we have failed to do the one thing God asks of us.... to reckon ourselves dead to sin and self and to then yield ourselves to God..... ready? ..... as those who are alive from the dead! Glory!

Do we see? Oh, I pray so. How often, after our salvation, after our baptism, we try to yield ourselves to God as spiritual worms, thinking our humility pleases God, lol. But God is waiting for us to BELIEVE in what Jesus fully accomplished for us!

We have been saved, but are we safe? Safe from the wiles of the devil. Shielded from his incessant accusations? even though this is true, we end up, even after years, still trapped in Romans 7. No, we cannot escape it by even our most diligent efforts, and so we sigh, accepting this is just the way it is till Heaven, and try to make the best of it.

We fail to see where we have gone wrong. We have missed the ONE instruction Paul gives us in Romans 6. He tells us we are to KNOW that we died when Christ died. We are to KNOW that when Christ rose from the dead, so dis we. But knowing these truths accomplishes nothing until we do what Paul then tells us to do.

And what is that? He instructs us, by an act of audacious faith, to reckon His victory as OUR victory and take possession of our new natures.... this very minute. We have been given spiritual armor and shields of faith guaranteed to quench ALL the fiery arrows of satan, but this armor only does us good if we PUT IT ON. Like the Israelites long ago, we have not truly believed that God has already given us the victory, but that is all about to change. We are about to be amazed.

His church is even now in the process of being awakened to the truth of who we are and how deep His grace actually goes. Jesus did not die just to forgive us. He wants to make us overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. He calls it the highway of holiness and even the weakest among us can walk in full victory for it is not based on our abilities but upon Him lining inside us as the new man.

This, guys, is what baptism was meant to represent. Being 'born again' is not simply a nice Christian cliche. It is the fullness of truth of exactly what Christ is offering each one of us.... brand new natures that He promises to CAUSE to obey Him! Praise you Lord!

O Father, open our eyes to the truth of who were, the truth that sets us free indeed.You have made us more than conquerors. Breathe on our faith that we might finally truly believe it. Amen.

blessings to all,

Gideon

 

[Truther]

Ideally, this should be the case, but if we are honest with ourselves, is it? Why do so many children of God have ended up camping out in Romans 7 rather than simply passing through it to the victory of Romans 8?

It is the same reason the children of Israel, instead of passing through the wilderness, a three week journey from Egypt, ended up running laps there for 40 years. Unbelief. If, when we are baptized, we fail to couple faith in its significance with the actual act, does it accomplish anything?

Why would Paul declare plainly in Romans 8 that we are not in the flesh (our old nature) any longer and owe it nothing? He tells us very clearly to yield ourselves to God and when we are first saved, we try to obey, don't we? Sadly, we often try much harder than we end up doing twenty years later.

Is this the truth in so many cases? These things ought not be so, and we should be concerned about why we more often than not hit a spiritual plateau, a stopping point, thinking that this is the best we can do as we are only human, right? We justify it with a casual "No one is perfect" but under that excuse is a longing for more in every one of His children.

God has clearly told us that His will for us is to be sanctified wholly, body, soul and spirit. He desires that we know how to possess our vessels in sanctification and honor, even down to bringing every thought into subjection to the obedience of Christ. Whoa. Is such a walk even possible? Absolutely.

What are we missing? Why are so few entering into the rest that remains for the people of God? Why do so many inevitably end up going trough the motions, settling for less than God has promised? The Word tells us. Yes!

We have been made new creatures, yes. BUT, we have failed to do the one thing God asks of us.... to reckon ourselves dead to sin and self and to then yield ourselves to God..... ready? ..... as those who are alive from the dead! Glory!

Do we see? Oh, I pray so. How often, after our salvation, after our baptism, we try to yield ourselves to God as spiritual worms, thinking our humility pleases God, lol. But God is waiting for us to BELIEVE in what Jesus fully accomplished for us!

We have been saved, but are we safe? Safe from the wiles of the devil. Shielded from his incessant accusations? even though this is true, we end up, even after years, still trapped in Romans 7. No, we cannot escape it by even our most diligent efforts, and so we sigh, accepting this is just the way it is till Heaven, and try to make the best of it.

We fail to see where we have gone wrong. We have missed the ONE instruction Paul gives us in Romans 6. He tells us we are to KNOW that we died when Christ died. We are to KNOW that when Christ rose from the dead, so dis we. But knowing these truths accomplishes nothing until we do what Paul then tells us to do.

And what is that? He instructs us, by an act of audacious faith, to reckon His victory as OUR victory and take possession of our new natures.... this very minute. We have been given spiritual armor and shields of faith guaranteed to quench ALL the fiery arrows of satan, but this armor only does us good if we PUT IT ON. Like the Israelites long ago, we have not truly believed that God has already given us the victory, but that is all about to change. We are about to be amazed.

His church is even now in the process of being awakened to the truth of who we are and how deep His grace actually goes. Jesus did not die just to forgive us. He wants to make us overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. He calls it the highway of holiness and even the weakest among us can walk in full victory for it is not based on our abilities but upon Him lining inside us as the new man.

This, guys, is what baptism was meant to represent. Being 'born again' is not simply a nice Christian cliche. It is the fullness of truth of exactly what Christ is offering each one of us.... brand new natures that He promises to CAUSE to obey Him! Praise you Lord!

O Father, open our eyes to the truth of who were, the truth that sets us free indeed.You have made us more than conquerors. Breathe on our faith that we might finally truly believe it. Amen.

blessings to all,

Gideon

To qualify for Romans one must go through Acts 2:38.

It is not a coincidence in the order the N.T. was placed for the reader, but deliberately done....Acts before Romans etc.

 

[Bartholomew Jones]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.
The proof is found in God's word--the word that has no contradictions. Clearly, salvation is by faith. For example, Rom. 5:1 states that we are justified (declared righteous) by faith. It does not say faith and baptism. If baptism were part of salvation, then it would say we were justified by faith and baptism. But it does ""not"". If justification is by faith, then it is by faith. Baptism is ""not"" faith. It is a ceremony. It is something we do as a ritual. Proof baptism does not save is the many unbelievers that get baptized to please family and friends but remain and die unbelievers and will be in hell! Furthermore, please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved.

1. Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
2. Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
3. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
4. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
5. Baptism and John 3:5 | CARM.org
6. Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
7. Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
8. Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
9. Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

But the commandment is to repent and be baptised. "If you love me you'll do what I say." Thus says the Lord.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.

If it did, it would mean that no one could receive Christ in their final minutes while in the desert, where there is no water.

God does not depend upon one, meager, measly, earthly thing to grant Holy Salvation. Why would God require something worldly, something from Below, to make Holy and Righteous, that which came from above?

"But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

To the doubters: Does the above passage make sense? How could something from below make Holy that which has come from Above? All who come from Above are born of Indestructible, Incorruptible Seed, and there is nothing that comes from a world of decay, from the Law of Sin and Death that makes anything Holy.

 

[Truther]

If it did, it would mean that no one could receive Christ in their final minutes while in the desert, where there is no water.

God does not depend upon one, meager, measly, earthly thing to grant Holy Salvation. Why would God require something worldly, something from Below, to make Holy and Righteous, that which came from above?

"But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

To the doubters: Does the above passage make sense? How could something from below make Holy that which has come from Above? All who come from Above are born of Indestructible, Incorruptible Seed, and there is nothing that comes from a world of decay, from the Law of Sin and Death that makes anything Holy.

Receiving Christ is receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Acts 2.

One cannot receive Him any other way.

Especially by dying in the desert....


Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Receiving Christ is receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Acts 2.

One cannot receive Him any other way.

Especially by dying in the desert....


Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Okie doke. Well, I was conclusively Indwelt by the Holy Spirit in the Arizona Desert. I cannot make that physical experience go away. No one could ever convince me otherwise. I apologize if I seem rude, but I cannot and will not deny my Indwelling that did not include one drop of water.

Happy T-Day!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.
The proof is found in God's word--the word that has no contradictions. Clearly, salvation is by faith. For example, Rom. 5:1 states that we are justified (declared righteous) by faith. It does not say faith and baptism. If baptism were part of salvation, then it would say we were justified by faith and baptism. But it does ""not"". If justification is by faith, then it is by faith. Baptism is ""not"" faith. It is a ceremony. It is something we do as a ritual. Proof baptism does not save is the many unbelievers that get baptized to please family and friends but remain and die unbelievers and will be in hell! Furthermore, please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved.

1. Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
2. Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
3. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
4. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
5. Baptism and John 3:5 | CARM.org
6. Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
7. Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
8. Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
9. Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

Absolutely an amen for this! Baptism is for someone who is already a believer and is an outward symbol of the inward intent to follow Jesus!

I also think we baptize too easy. We just rush to get people dunked and too many do not even realize the depth of the commitment to the Lord they are making!

 

[Truther]

Okie doke. Well, I was conclusively Indwelt by the Holy Spirit in the Arizona Desert. I cannot make that physical experience go away. No one could ever convince me otherwise. I apologize if I seem rude, but I cannot and will not deny my Indwelling that did not include one drop of water.

Happy T-Day!

Were you dying in the desert?

That is what the last post was referring to.

Happy T day to you also.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Absolutely an amen for this! Baptism is for someone who is already a believer and is an outward symbol of the inward intent to follow Jesus!

Exactly. And it represents the exact same thing as does physical Circumcision, for it represents the exact same Faith that we have today. Baptism is the "new" circumcision, an operation done by the hands of men, that reflects the Operation by the Holy Hands of Christ.

Romans 4:11 KJV - 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Check out the Two Elevens below!

Ephesians 2:11 KJV - 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Colossians 2:11 KJV - 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Were you dying in the desert?

That is what the last post was referring to.

Happy T day to you also.

Yes, I was seconds away from death as I was under Holy Terror, about to explode from within. After about a minute and a half of this deadly Terror, I began calling out to my Lord and God, and just as Powerfully, our Holy and Mighty God Indwelt me, more like encapsulated me in His Holy Love and Spirit. The Holy Terror was baptism by Fire, Purifying me of the Curse of Adam and Eve, and was immediately Indwelt by God's Holy and Remarkable Spirit.

I will never, NEVER deny Jesus Christ. It does not matter how I die, I will NEVER deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Were you dying in the desert?

That is what the last post was referring to.

Happy T day to you also.

And I should add that this means that my former water baptism meant absolutely nothing. Which is why, with my hair still wet, I walked down to the local seven-eleven and stole a bag of rubber bands for my Paper Route. I was 12 years old. Worldly baptism means nothing.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Exactly. And it represents the exact same thing as does physical Circumcision, for it represents the exact same Faith that we have today. Baptism is the "new" circumcision, an operation done by the hands of men, that reflects the Operation by the Holy Hands of Christ.

Romans 4:11 KJV - 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Check out the Two Elevens below!

Ephesians 2:11 KJV - 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Colossians 2:11 KJV - 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Absolutely!


With the exception that Baptism is for those who consciously make a decision to trust Christ while with Jews they were circumcised on teh 8th day (except for gentile proselytes). So while it accomplishes the same TYPE it is performed differently .

 

[Truther]

Yes, I was seconds away from death as I was under Holy Terror, about to explode from within. After about a minute and a half of this deadly Terror, I began calling out to my Lord and God, and just as Powerfully, our Holy and Mighty God Indwelt me, more like encapsulated me in His Holy Love and Spirit. The Holy Terror was baptism by Fire, Purifying me of the Curse of Adam and Eve, and was immediately Indwelt by God's Holy and Remarkable Spirit.

I will never, NEVER deny Jesus Christ. It does not matter how I die, I will NEVER deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

He was speaking of a literal desert.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

He was speaking of a literal desert.

I was in the literal desert. Why argue?

 

[Truther]

And I should add that this means that my former water baptism meant absolutely nothing. Which is why, with my hair still wet, I walked down to the local seven-eleven and stole a bag of rubber bands for my Paper Route. I was 12 years old. Worldly baptism means nothing.

Water baptism in the name of Jesus Crist per Acts 2:38 is worldly baptism?

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Water baptism in the name of Jesus Crist per Acts 2:38 is worldly baptism?

I won't be arguing after this post. It is futile.

Acts 2.38 is not what you're making it to be.

Happy Thanksgiving!

(I will no longer be watching this thread. Don't expect any replies.)