Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Faith is the key. Assurance is a key theme in John's First Epistle. The true believer is not finally lost.There's absolutely no hope built in to this doctrine. Think about it. If you're a person who's prone to uncertainty about your resolve, unless the Holy Spirit does some kind of hocus-pocus on you, you live your entire Christian life counting on your sincerity. It isn't worth a hill of beans to me. If I can't look to God's grace and His promise to be the Author and Finisher of my faith, I have no hope.
But as many as receive Him, believing in His name, to them He gave the right to be born again . . . born of God.Getting forgiveness does not change us.
His love does not change us.
Something in us has to change, how is that going to get done ?
So then not even "unintentional sins" any longer?I've matured enough to do as John said in 1 John 2:1a.
1 John 3:5-9 proves me right.(1Jn 1:6-10) proves you wrong.
1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Walking in darkness and lying is sin we do. (1Jn 3:4).
Doesn't He see the real you?
I believe that we abide in Christ "through' faith in Jesus and by staying in close communion / relationship with Him.
.Faith +
What basis for fellowship with God can there be outside of the work of Jesus on the cross? Having trusted Him, having been reborn, do we then add our behavior?
If these things are true, then why does relationship with God need to be restored following sin?
So God is pretending you are something you are not?But rhe Father sees us through rose-colored glasses,
No, He see the blood of Jesus when He looks at us; which covers over all of our sins (Romans 4:7).So God is pretending you are something you are not?
That's behavior. How you act. If you act (and to me this includes thinking, since that's something we 'do') in "hiding" way, or if you act in a "transparent" way.It is not our behaviour that we add, but rather a part of being saved is that we will not hide from the Lord as did Adam but we will be transparent before God.
Hi @Mr C The true believer is repentant; a true believer is never lost; the eternal security of the believer is important in Romans 8.38-39. But those who profess faith but live and die in unbelief were never believers in the first place.
So He's not seeing us, He's seeing the blood of Jesus instead of us?No, He see the blood of Jesus when He looks at us; which covers over all of our sins (Romans 4:7).
I would say yes. What do you think?So He's not seeing us, He's seeing the blood of Jesus instead of us?
No, transparency is an attitude...like faith...that produces behaviour.That's behavior. How you act. If you act (and to me this includes thinking, since that's something we 'do') in "hiding" way, or if you act in a "transparent" way.
Much love!
I think He sees us, and that He is fully involved with us in a real way. No pretending. No rose colored glasses. Only us, reborn, that is, begotten from God. He gave birth to us. He looks at us and sees His children, who share His nature. Just like in our first creation, our birth from the line of Adam, we shared his nature, now, being born from God, we share His nature.I would say yes. What do you think?
I believe that the Father doesn't see our vile bodies and the indwelling sin that so easily besets us in temptation, when He looks at us in one sense; but in another sense He does.I think He sees us, and that He is fully involved with us in a real way. No pretending. No rose colored glasses. Only us, reborn, that is, begotten from God. He gave birth to us. He looks at us and sees His children, who share His nature. Just like in our first creation, our birth from the line of Adam, we shared his nature, now, being born from God, we share His nature.
So when God looks at us, He sees who we are, in reality, His children, righteous, holy, and living in a corrupt body of flesh.
Since He has justified us from our sins, we have no sin to get in the way. We are pure, because we are born from God. God does not birth corruption.
He shares our lives with us, and trains us in how to overcome that old man.
Much love!
I think He sees each part for what it is. And in the present moment.I believe that the Father doesn't see our vile bodies and the indwelling sin that so easily besets us in temptation, when He looks at us in one sense; but in another sense He does.
He is not blind to reality; but on the other hand we are forgiven of all of our sins and He is going to remember them no more; and I think that He does this from the perspective of eternity.
...but those who died in unbelief were never true believers in the first place.The Rich man was Jew. He died and ended up in torment. Once a child of God now in torment forever.(Luke 16)
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(KJV)
I believe that God is outside of time and that therefore, He sees all things from the perspective of His position in eternity.I think He sees each part for what it is. And in the present moment.
I think God deals with me just as I am right now.
Much love!
*Behold* has already outed himself as being very confused (while promoting spiritual confusion). I am glad we both agree on something that fundamental. If Pilate was around he would say "Behold the man who is confused".Well, that is NOT what Behold believes.
No scripture to prove your opinion....but those who died in unbelief were never true believers in the first place.