Have you ever been challenged to, say, call for a healing?

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Not in an argument no! :D
But, I do happen to believe that all on this Site are ( maybe loosely) following the Lord with the amount of light that they have been given.
I see no blatant unbeliever....messed up ones, yes. Some maybe a bit off beam in how they believe ,what they believe, yes..but none who have chosen to follow the Prince of Darkness.
But maybe your discernment is sharper than mine. :)

One does not have to choose to follow the Prince of Darkness to be blinded by the Prince of darkness. One does not have to choose to follow the Prince of Darkness to be on opposite side of a Christian. One does not have to choose to follow the Prince of Darkness to be used by the Prince of Darkness.

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He is speaking about the Mosaic Law.
The Apostle Paul also said these words: from Romans 7: 25. "I thank God -- through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin." (emphasis mine)

Here is one of your judgments of the Bible (the Word of God)
JULY 21,2017 Post #11
“Revelation comes from God, not from reading studying church, bible college. In fact the better you know the bible the more you will fight God when He does try to teach you, as it says
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
If you want to know Jesus. ask Him, if you want to know the bible ,read it. Your choice.” (emphasis mine)
Well stranger you can either know teh bible and about Jesus, or you can know Jesus, you wont find life in teh bible only in Jesus will you find life, and as you quoted, revelation ony comes from God you wont get it from anyone or anything else. His words are life, but you have to hear them to receive that life.
 

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keeping the law is easy lol
so Jesus wasted His time, you can do it yourself, and He dies for nothing. And no you will not change my mind I know in whom my salvation lies and it s not teh law. Yopu could start another"law" topic. it wont be the first and it will not be the last. proplr love to try impress God with how good the y are.
 

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so Jesus wasted His time, you can do it yourself, and He dies for nothing.
why ask me, after you have already rejected the Bible's answer?
And no you will not change my mind I know in whom my salvation lies and it s not teh law.
sure, i understand, me and Imelda loves us some Jesus too bro. I'd be wary of that "whoever does this will be considered least in the kingdom" bit though. Jesus directly tells us "do what they command, not what they do." Right after He refused to do what they commanded, i guess :)
 
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1. Where is a single scripture that says God gives sickness for any reason.

Did I say that "God" gives sickness?

Now, does "God" allow sickness, or, for some to become "sick"?

For what reason was the man born blind?

With regard to the "Lord's Supper", many were weak and sickly.


2 maybe when you look at all my posts closely then you can have your say. But why would you have a say when you never looked or followd closely?

Like I said: "Attitude". I stopped following more and more as the "attitude" descended into the depths. Thus why I also chose to speak a word when it was time.


3. I challnanded BOL as I told you already and you thanked me for it.

Perhaps you have me confused with another. However, you are welcome to quote where I allegedly did so.


I am seeing him continually pull every other church down.

Yeah, well, I see too many protestants speak against Catholicism in manners unbecoming as well. And given the odds right now, the number that currently are going up against @BreadOfLife, I would take his side to even out the numbers. However I also know, he doesn't need my assistance, for he is quite capable.


So I challanged the mighty catholic church worshipper to show us how he is walking in a better truth than us. Hes not That was the whole point I was making. He talking like the CS is the only way to all truth. But I know for a fact He is not walking in healing as are not most.

Healing is a gift, one that is not given to everyone.


Most Christian have a twisted thinking on healing and dont understand that. I know that for a fact.

And, don't you have to admit, that there are also charlatans when it comes to such. Just as there are charlatans in almost every venue.

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I clearly see you have a twisted thinking on God as well accusing God of making Paul sick. I can teach on that also . But most in here will not have an ear for it. I think you are a little more leval headed and would listen at least.

I did not say that "God" made Paul sick. However, "God" did allow the messenger of "Satan" to buffet Paul, to keep him humble. Can "Satan" harm you unless "God" allows it? Does not "God" set a limit to the manner in which "Satan" can harm or afflict you?

Like I said, I was given an affliction. It was allowed, and a limit was set.


You accused me of baosting . How did you get to that conclusion?

With the "attitude", that is how such would be perceived by most. Do you desire to be perceived in such manner? Or do you desire to be perceived as a servant of "God", whose ministry is that of healing?


BOL asked me should I lie and keep the nunbers down? If I am asked what would you recommernd I do? You are talking utter nonsense here. ITs you pride thats getting to you here not mine.

If memory serves, I also saw you use such with regard to @"ByGrace" as well.


I seen hundreds healed a\nd I will not hide it any where from anyone.

I don't doubt you. Like I said, it was the manner in which you presented such. And to attempt to use the gift that "God" has bestowed upon you, to browbeat or against another, that is not acceptable from my position.

That is to attempt to say, look, I'm better than you because blah blah blah. When the gift(s) are from "God".


You have no scripture telling us hide the works of God. Dont say Jesus did. I know that and I kmnow why. hope you do to. I am boasting in the Lord its how YOU and the OTHERS choose to read it.

Not when you attempt to use such against another. That is the wrong manner, and in your heart, you know that.

I saw you also attempt to use the number of "likes" as a tool against. Is that what we are all about here? How many "likes" we get? For if that is case, it is rather vainglorious from my perspective.
 
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It hurts me when I see kind people like yourself and @Richard_oti being called names or belittled as in some of these posts.

Likewise. I don't care what people have to say or think about me. But I don't like seeing some mistreated. I have survived much worse than the little things around here. And most, I find rather humorous anyway. For it conveys and reveals much.

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I must admit, three or four times I have wondered if this is @Sword..ghosting as a different name. It's the same old dumb beat and same old brow beating about how much he is doing, and all the things that we are not doing "as Christians."

@Job expressed something to that effect IF memory serves. I am not so sure. But then again, how many times have we all experienced same shpil, different user throughout the years as if we have never seen or heard such before.


I would rather see people be rude to me, and call me names, than seeing people being called names and belittled who do not deserve it.:oops:
That hurts my gut...:(
Many blessings.

Likewise.
 
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Does God give sickness?

from Deuteronomy 32: 39.

‘Now see that I, even I, am He,
And there is no God besides Me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
40 For I raise My hand to heaven,
And say, “As I live forever,
41 If I whet My glittering sword,
And My hand takes hold on judgment,
I will render vengeance to My enemies,
And repay those who hate Me.
 

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Lets get one thing stright. I do not care for adults who get all hurt in the face of truth and they start crying and acting like children.
When I talk that is the only thing that should concern you or anyone else. If I have some growing to do fine. That will happen when it happens. I will see it when I see it. I would rather see then to there face, but I cant. I would garentee they would not be replying the way they do /did same for you.


Did I say that "God" gives sickness?

Now, does "God" allow sickness, or, for some to become "sick"?
I have an affliction that was given to me, nor has anyone healed it. For it was given to me for a reason. Not unlike Paul's "thorn".

Here you said you were given to you, "Who gave you it? It looks like God to me from here. And I am sure with the understanding of the majority who think Gods in control of every thing, They will also think the same. I do not believe God makes any one sick or gives them a little gift of cancer. God did not give Paul a thorn either.


For what reason was the man born blind?
Simple satan came to steal kill and destroy.

With regard to the "Lord's Supper", many were weak and sickly.
For lack of undesrstanding and no faith in God. Only faith pleases God.



Like I said: "Attitude". I stopped following more and more as the "attitude" descended into the depths. Thus why I also chose to speak a word when it was time.
So you had reason to follow as there was someting you liked. Then like a little hurt child . You think Hmm I dont like whats hes saying? Or I dont like they way hes saying. Seocnd is true . So you choose to dump truth because you dont like my attitude. You are living for you if YOU are hurt.
That is flesh. Most Christians like you think they have rights. You have one right to love. full stop.



Perhaps you have me confused with another. However, you are welcome to quote where I allegedly did so.
No I never You said I was getting off where I should be I said yes I know, But I had enough of BOD slagging off other churchs as if they are less than his. WHich is tripe obviously. So I started pointing out a few facts. He says hes walking in the only truth. I pont out hes not walking in healing as most are not. And you gave me a thanks for my reply. So if you dont agree why did you thank me. I had a little look but never saw it. But its there thats for sure.


Yeah, well, I see too many protestants speak against Catholicism in manners unbecoming as well. And given the odds right now, the number that currently are going up against @BreadOfLife, I would take his side to even out the numbers. However I also know, he doesn't need my assistance, for he is quite capable.
You would take hios side beccause the numbers are against him? I would take his side only if he is correct. I would encourgae him if he was wrong. But I would tell him staright. You cant take his side if hes wrong. Well you can.




Healing is a gift, one that is not given to everyone.
The bible clearly teaches that believers will lay hands on the sick. It is our commision. What God will do for one He will do for all.
Anything you ask I will do it. If you need more I can give them. But if you need more its called unbelief. and then we wonder why it never worked caus e there no faith in unbelief.




And, don't you have to admit, that there are also charlatans when it comes to such. Just as there are charlatans in almost every venue.
You were clearly told leave them alone. what are they to you. Why would you even bring that up in here



I did not say that "God" made Paul sick. However, "God" did allow the messenger of "Satan" to buffet Paul, to keep him humble. Can "Satan" harm you unless "God" allows it? Does not "God" set a limit to the manner in which "Satan" can harm or afflict you?

Like I said, I was given an affliction. It was allowed, and a limit was set.
You do not understand. Paul was not sick. You are wrong.
God is not sitting back watching people get sick for a good idea or to make them this or that. That is totally wrong. Thats not God, thats evil and despicable. To even think God who is love would do that is absurd.



With the "attitude", that is how such would be perceived by most. Do you desire to be perceived in such manner? Or do you desire to be perceived as a servant of "God", whose ministry is that of healing?
I have no time for spinless kidon christians who are getting hurt because of my attitude. You are not called to get all hurt. That is flaeh as I said . Grow up and stop living for you. stop getting out of bed to life YOUR live. how about dying and living for Him. or living for people other than your self. Like you are called to.




memory serves, I also saw you use such with regard to @"ByGrace" as well.
If she is going to talk nonsense I will tell her to. Time to grow up.




I don't doubt you. Like I said, it was the manner in which you presented such. And to attempt to use the gift that "God" has bestowed upon you, to browbeat or against another, that is not acceptable from my position.
No you cant say that if you never read all the post as you admitted.

He accuses us of not having the full truth like the catholic church has in his eyes. For me he is completly blind and does not know Christ in an intimate way. Thats what I think from experiance. You may not like that either. I dont mind.
So me knowing full well he never walked in healing. One of the very very basic reachings in scripture. A new Christian with me in ten minutes on the street wopuld be seeing healing insatntly. So dont be telling me its a gift for the selected few. I know for a fact you are totally wrong with this. And before you dig it out dont quote the one and only verse you have. from corinthians. If healing is just for some. How come everysingle person in my family all seen healing, how come I talk this to some friends and now they seen healing, etc etc etc. It says believers will lay hands on the sick. Not the selected few. Bit of a waste of time about thrity people in my small comunity and they all lay hands on and seen some measure of healing yet the church I went to for 20 years never saw one healing from 160 Christians ever.


That is to attempt to say, look, I'm better than you because blah blah blah. When the gift(s) are from "God".
Not when you attempt to use such against another. That is the wrong manner, and in your heart, you know that.
I was asked and I said how many i saw healed. If you think that is am better than you that ok I dont need to defend myself. Christ is my rock and sure defence. I will continue to do what I am doing. I am telling every one in here we can all see people healed if we want. Thats a fact. but yall cyring. Cry away I dont concern myself with what you think about me. You are free to say anything you like. fire away.


I saw you also attempt to use the number of "likes" as a tool against. Is that what we are all about here? How many "likes" we get? For if that is case, it is rather vainglorious from my perspective.


You may well like likes I dont care to much for them or people opinions. But you like the rest . will need to get your scriptures together before coming here trying to teach me about healing. My attitude maybe it could be better. But I have tried many things on my Christiands and I see the same hurt pattern. So I dont really wasting time pandering to hurt childrens needs. I say what I say. You are respocible to acertian is he right in what hes preaching whiether you like the attitude or not. and what you do with that tells me where you are.
So deal; with it and grow up all you hurt little darlings.[/QUOTE]
 
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Does God give sickness?

from Deuteronomy 32: 39.

‘Now see that I, even I, am He,
And there is no God besides Me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
40 For I raise My hand to heaven,
And say, “As I live forever,
41 If I whet My glittering sword,
And My hand takes hold on judgment,
I will render vengeance to My enemies,
And repay those who hate Me.
Are you accusing God of making people sick?

You have one verse. I have hundreds thats says God is about healing restoation. I have more verses aboust satan giving sickness.
But you accuse god of the atrosity with one verse that looks like in the english?

So tell me straight do you accuse God of making people sick?

If you google God healing verses many come up. If you do the same with God giving sickness none come up. except the one verse you believe and many others believe.
 

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Some people still don't get it.
"IT" being that when something is said in a good kind spirit people will listen.
But facts spoken with an arrogant, rude, condemning attitude just turns people off and they won't bother to listen. Which is sad..because the person may have 'won the day' and had a good interested audience if only they had shown some caring for the listeners.

As Paul says...with out Love...it is just a sounding brass and tinkling symbols on deaf ears...My sheep know My voice...we recognize the Spirit of God which we are all used to listening to..

Pity, it "could" have been a good interesting discussion thread..:oops:
 

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Some people still don't get it.
"IT" being that when something is said in a good kind spirit people will listen.
But facts spoken with an arrogant, rude, condemning attitude just turns people off and they won't bother to listen. Which is sad..because the person may have 'won the day' and had a good interested audience if only they had shown some caring for the listeners.

As Paul says...with out Love...it is just a sounding brass and tinkling symbols on deaf ears...My sheep know My voice...we recognize the Spirit of God which we are all used to listening to..

Pity, it "could" have been a good interesting discussion thread..:oops:
Ok so what your doing here is pointing all my faults you can find. You doing the exact same thing and calling yourself mature. As a Christain even if your right your wrong. Where does God tell you go point out all there faults. He doesnt. That is all flash. So your saying Gods truth in can is only exceptable to you if its spoke nicely grow up. Gods word is good always even if it comes from a clown. You need to learn to see past your self. Grow up. All this crying is pathetic. People will not listen that dopnt have an ear. Your in here to fellowship and learn you say. BUut your as bad for arging as anyone here. I told you ar the start and you said yes your right. Now your doing the same thing.
 

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Ok so what your doing here is pointing all my faults you can find. You doing the exact same thing and calling yourself mature. As a Christain even if your right your wrong. Where does God tell you go point out all there faults. He doesnt. That is all flash. So your saying Gods truth in can is only exceptable to you if its spoke nicely grow up. Gods word is good always even if it comes from a clown.
You need to learn to see past your self. Grow up. All this crying is pathetic. People will not listen that dopnt have an ear. Your in here to fellowship and learn you say. BUut your as bad for arging as anyone here. I told you ar the start and you said yes your right. Now your doing the same thing.

Who on earth said I was writing to you? ( sword)
Who said they were your faults? But hey, if you choose to recognize them and make them your own.
You have mentioned "crying" on here, to another poster and to me, more than once..who is crying? I neither see or read of anyone "crying"..you have a great imagination brother.
As for the rest of the post, I don't even understand it.

Unknot your knickers Ally.s , you are you own worst enemy....everything will work out just fine, you'll see. ❤️
 
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Yeah, I see "faith" as belief combined with action. IOW: Walking according to said belief.

To move a literal mountain, it may require the "faith" of using a pick, shovel and wheelbarrow. Other "mountains" [symbolic], may be moved through faith. Such as healing, casting out, etc., etc..

I think of faith as suspending our opinion long enough for life to unfold and teach us
 

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Ok so what your doing here is pointing all my faults you can find. You doing the exact same thing and calling yourself mature. As a Christain even if your right your wrong. Where does God tell you go point out all there faults. He doesnt. That is all flash. So your saying Gods truth in can is only exceptable to you if its spoke nicely grow up. Gods word is good always even if it comes from a clown. You need to learn to see past your self. Grow up. All this crying is pathetic. People will not listen that dopnt have an ear. Your in here to fellowship and learn you say. BUut your as bad for arging as anyone here. I told you ar the start and you said yes your right. Now your doing the same thing.

The biggest bullies are always the most fragile, right Ally?

ByGrace could not be a kinder person
 

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Who on earth said I was writing to you? ( sword)
Who said they were your faults? But hey, if you choose to recognize them and make them your own.
You have mentioned "crying" on here, to another poster and to me, more than once..who is crying? I neither see or read of anyone "crying"..you have a great imagination brother.
As for the rest of the post, I don't even understand it.

Unknot your knickers Ally.s , you are you own worst enemy....everything will work out just fine, you'll see. ❤️
Ok if you were not refering to me what is you post all about? Who is it directed at?
 

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The biggest bullies are always the most fragile, right Ally?

ByGrace could not be a kinder person
You tell me? Who said she not kind? I never said that. but looks like your falsly accusing me of saying she not? Which you peole could at least be straight in your wrinting. i dont leave anyone in any doubt about what I mean.
 

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I think of faith as suspending our opinion long enough for life to unfold and teach us

Which, to steal from @"ByGrace", in our quiet and alone time with Him, is also a good place to suspend our opinions ... to allow ...

And I am not really stealing, ByGrace and I just seem to concur upon some things. However I like what you present, for there is merit in it. Seems to me, @bbyrd009 also said something similar not all that long ago.
 
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Lets get one thing stright. I do not care for adults who get all hurt in the face of truth and they start crying and acting like children.

Well, I am not hurt nor crying. I am merely pointing out that to use such as a battering ram against another, you may as well fling those "good-works" into the sea as a millstone.

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I would garentee they would not be replying the way they do /did same for you.

Ulay, ulay lo'.

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God did not give Paul a thorn either.

And yet, that messenger of "Satan" still could not go beyond the limit set by "God".

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Then like a little hurt child.

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So you choose to dump truth because you dont like my attitude. You are living for you if YOU are hurt.

Who is "hurt"? Who is dumping truth?

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Most Christians like you think they have rights. You have one right to love. full stop.

According to your own words.

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I pont out hes not walking in healing as most are not. And you gave me a thanks for my reply.

It appears that I need to apologize. For if I somehow gave you the impression that I was thanking you for speaking to @BreadOfLife, then something that I wrote came across wrong. For I did not "thank you" for such.

Which is what I am pointing out to you here. You attempted to use your "vast" number of healings as a battering ram against BreadofLife. And, just as BreadofLife did not answer some of your questions, neither would have I. If you wanna play "I'm a better Christian, cause I do such and such", that's fine. But also realize what it reveals about you.

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You would take hios side beccause the numbers are against him? I would take his side only if he is correct. I would encourgae him if he was wrong. But I would tell him staright. You cant take his side if hes wrong. Well you can.

So, who was it that Jesus ate with?

... And wisdom is justified by her works.

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You do not understand. Paul was not sick. You are wrong.

I never said Paul was sick.

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I have no time for spinless kidon christians who are getting hurt because of my attitude.

So saith the one who once chastiseth otherwise. What does that reveal?

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You may well like likes I dont care to much for them or people opinions.

Yet, you attempted to use such against BreadofLife. And, if you don't care for people's opinons, why should you expect anyone to care about your opinion(s).

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and what you do with that tells me where you are.

Remember, that "sword" is double-edged.

You take care.

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Well, I am not hurt nor crying. I am merely pointing out that to use such as a battering ram against another, you may as well fling those "good-works" into the sea as a millstone.

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Ulay, ulay lo'.

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And yet, that messenger of "Satan" still could not go beyond the limit set by "God".

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<chuckle>

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Who is "hurt"? Who is dumping truth?

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According to your own words.

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It appears that I need to apologize. For if I somehow gave you the impression that I was thanking you for speaking to @BreadOfLife, then something that I wrote came across wrong. For I did not "thank you" for such.

Which is what I am pointing out to you here. You attempted to use your "vast" number of healings as a battering ram against BreadofLife. And, just as BreadofLife did not answer some of your questions, neither would have I. If you wanna play "I'm a better Christian, cause I do such and such", that's fine. But also realize what it reveals about you.

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So, who was it that Jesus ate with?

... And wisdom is justified by her works.

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I never said Paul was sick.

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So saith the one who once chastiseth otherwise. What does that reveal?

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Yet, you attempted to use such against BreadofLife. And, if you don't care for people's opinons, why should you expect anyone to care about your opinion(s).

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Remember, that "sword" is double-edged.

You take care.

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Most of your post is not really worth a reply. And you are doing what most hurt people do. See it all before.
You brought Paul into a healing discussion as if he was sick. You bropught in your own affliction in a healing discussion along with Paul as they are the same according to you. Yes you iplied Paul was sick like you are sick in a healing discussion. if its not sickness why bring it in to a healing discussion. The topis is if God make people sick. and you brought in you and paul and called them the same. You also have no scriptures saying so.
Yes you are hurt and it is clear to see.

And as for according to me on Love.

Please tell me what are you called for if its not to LOVE?

And again you are cheery picking I never battered anyone with the amount of healing I seen. I was asked. I never mentioned anything about how many I saw heaed until I was asked. But that is 1 bragging according to you. and 2 now its a battering ram, according to you.
You make it up and twist it as you go. But thats ok you can do what you like . Thats the thing about free will.

You see what you want. out of the heart reveals you. The thing with telling people about healing is they dont do it and them accuse. Seen it to long now and to ofetn. read it again last night. From one of my favouret teachers. He said if you say you seen healing amoung people who never . They will attack you becuse you are doing what they dont do.

So you continue to attack and do as you like. My thoughts on you and anyone else wont change because of what you say or do to me. On your first bring down of me your were polite and I excepted it. now were on your forth, your like a stuck record now.