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"Have you ever had a spiritual paranormal encounter?"

Discussion in 'Testimonial Forum' started by Mike Waters, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Mike Waters

    Mike Waters Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure how this 'cessationist' should see that as a challenge to cessationism.
    But then I'm only a cessationist out of 'peeve' at not enjoying gifts such as 'tongues' !!
    :(
     
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    Helen Well-Known Member

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    Don't they believe that anything outside of 'normal' ( praying and reading the bible) has finished at the end of the NT, and all things died with apostles. ?
    That is what I thought a cessationalist was. ;)
     
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    reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    First, I have never said I am a pastor. Second, I preach the Scriptures. That's what I have to offer. The Scriptures.
     
  4. Mike Waters

    Mike Waters Well-Known Member

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    Surely you don't expect this 'Oneoff' cessationost to believe the same as other cessationists?
    Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
    I just believe that the range of special 'miraculous' experiences were only necessary for as long as it took in order to 'kick-start' something as radically new as the Gospel of a 'spiritual' kingdom, amongst Jews whose expectation was that Jesus was preaching the return to them of the earthly Jerusalem.
    But as I've said, maybe that's just 'peeve' at personally having been 'left out' of those experiences.
    On the other hand, to me, it makes sense of my general overview of what I see outside of ultra charismatic and 'Pentecostal' expressions of worship (within which I am sooooo uncomfortable).
    PS Don't you dare 'go to sleep' whilst I am in the middle of my 'bed-time' ;)
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Verified to or for whom by what means for what purpose? God has spoken to me and that is good enough for me. What difference should it make to me that someone else doubts that He has? I can verify that to an unbeliever as well as I can verify that Jesus rose from the dead to the same unbeliever. Are you also an unbeliever who doubts that Saul/Paul has an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus?
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    You believe this perhaps, but you state it as if you know it. The only way you could know it is if you had a personal revelation from God, the kind you seem to be saying doesn't happen any more. When did God move you from seeing through a "glass, darkly" to a "face to face" vision?
     
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    reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    I believe in the Perspicuity of scripture.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    EXCELLENT !!!
     
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    reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    That was under a different era before the canon was closed.
     
  10. Mike Waters

    Mike Waters Well-Known Member

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    Looks like a SDA choir, whose youtube singing I regularly enjoy.
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    I think this what we, you and I, in a discussion long ago called a scarlet thread. It remains unbroken from the time of Jesus to now.
     
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    But what is this canon? Who decided it was complete? Why is the Protestant canon different than the Catholic one?

    Who decided the canon was closed? You apparently agree with the ones who decided it was closed, but as you see on this forum and elsewhere I am sure, there are people who disagree. It is your belief, but you speak as if it were an Absolute Truth [AT]. While I agree there are ATs, exactly what they are is knowledge that belongs to God and perhaps to anyone who like Jesus has already overcome the world. Anyone else still lives for God by faith. Faith is NOT equal to knowledge although if followed as I believe it, along it pathway, knowledge will be encountered...
     
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    What’s miraculous to me is the founding churches had the gospel with no New Testament to reference.

    In other words the Old Testament should be efficient in my opinion to proclaim Christ.
    They managed?
     
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    Because the Apostles are all dead.
     
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    That is not an explanation, but another word for me to look up in the dictionary. What are you saying?
     
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    Ok, that is where you are, but in spite of your assertions, without a revelation yourself from God, they are still only believed by faith, which the Bible describes as the "substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". That is your faith, which differs from that of others here. Of course, you believe you are correct but so does everyone else. I will leave the final judgment in the hands of God where it belongs!
     
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    They managed because some of them were taught by Jesus and all them who had any right in the eyes of God were led by the Holy Spirit... No matter what others here think, I believe that without the lead of the Holy Spirit the Bible itself will confuse people. Our seemingly innumerable number of denominations based on the same Bibles should speak for itself in that regard... but there is also no consensus on that. Yet in the Bible itself it is written that God is Not the author of confusion!
     
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    And again you know that by revelation or did you read it in a book other than the Bible or hear it from some man?
     
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    Sorry, Scripture says to rebuke false teachers and prophets. Test the spirits. So if they can't be tested they are to be rejected.
     
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    Well, considering men don't live for 2,000 years, I think it is a pretty safe position.
     
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