Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

[marksman]

Joanna. Anyway, it is obvious that Jesus loved and trusted this strong woman.

That is not proof that she taught men.

 

[marksman]

All of them.

So my post that set out my education is an error? or a lie? Do tell me!!

 

[StanJ]

The Anglican Church has an estimated membership of 85 million. if that is not a majority I do not know what is.

Once again you are calling me a liar so I will report it to the moderators.

Who estimated this, YOU? Even most modern figures only peg them world wide as 73 million and that's generous given most of them don't even attend weekly church. The latest figure I read (The Telegraph) was below 765,000 last year;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12095251/Church-of-England-attendance-plunges-to-record-low.html
Now considering the world total of Christians is 2 billion, yes that is a small percentage. In fact, less than 4% of the total Christian population in the world; http://www.adherents.com/adh_branches.html#Christianity

Once again, telling you you're wrong, is not the same as calling you a liar, but you're not far from that eventuality if you keep responding like this. Get a grip and start making some sense, instead of all your nonsense.

 

[StanJ]

So my post that set out my education is an error? or a lie? Do tell me!!

I said ALL of them and I've already addressed them, but apparently TELLING you doesn't really help.

 

[StanJ]

​The barrd posts a list of women's names without comment and it is not a red herring.

Oh, you mean like how you post all those scriptures with NO exegesis?

 

[StanJ]

So my post that set out my education is an error? or a lie? Do tell me!!

there's no sense TELLING you anything, because you just deny it, but while you're looking up 'ilk', look up 'pretext'.

 

[StanJ]

​What style? As I said, I cannot understand abstracts. For the autistic person that is introducing new ideas without explaining them which is what "used to that style" is.

Nothing NEW about this, and quite conveniently you use this excuse all the time when you don't have a ready answer. You're NOT fooling anyone with that disingenuous malarkey.

 

[Barrd]

Nothing NEW about this, and quite conveniently you use this excuse all the time when you don't have a ready answer. You're NOT fooling anyone with that disingenuous malarkey.

Stan, maybe you should take your own advice and put him on ignore.

 

[OzSpen]

I don't see ANY shouting on his part so why make that false accusation?

Thanks, mate, for your support and calling him for his falsehood.

If I were to write in the same font and bold the heading, it would not highlight the emphases I wanted to make.

Blessings,
Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Nothing NEW about this, and quite conveniently you use this excuse all the time when you don't have a ready answer. You're NOT fooling anyone with that disingenuous malarkey.

So even a Canadian knows the meaning of malarkey. It's not as crude a term as its synonyms.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Stan, maybe you should take your own advice and put him on ignore.

Sounds like an awfully good idea.

 

[OzSpen]

He is referring to the errors I called you on.
Junia is a girl's name. Adding an "s" doesn't make her a boy.
And "kinsman" is a generic term, like "mankind".
I shouldn't have to explain these simple things to you.

The Barrd,

In this thread, those who conclude in support of women in public teaching, prophesying and other ministry, have provided the exegesis. We have attempted to rebut the opponents.

What is the end result? There is no movement by either of us. Does that mean that traditionalists will choose to continue to go to traditionalist churches that close women down in public vocal ministry to a mixed audience? Does it mean that egalitarians will have to choose churches that already accept this biblical perspective of open ministry for women?

Is it time to give up trying to provide biblical evidence in support of one's position? If this thread is any indication, there is no movement either way by anyone when the evidence is presented.

Is it time to quit trying to provide the biblical evidence on this topic?

Oz

 

[marksman]

Who estimated this, YOU? Even most modern figures only peg them world wide as 73 million and that's generous given most of them don't even attend weekly church. The latest figure I read (The Telegraph) was below 765,000 last year;

​And how many denominations can boast a membership of 85 million? You do like splitting hairs don't you. I get the impression you have membership of one.

 

[marksman]

Nothing NEW about this, and quite conveniently you use this excuse all the time when you don't have a ready answer. You're NOT fooling anyone with that disingenuous malarkey.

I see you are being rude and offensive again so I have reported you to the moderators...again.

 

[marksman]

there's no sense TELLING you anything, because you just deny it, but while you're looking up 'ilk', look up 'pretext'.

 

[marksman]

Oh, you mean like how you post all those scriptures with NO exegesis?

​As I have already told you, the verses do not need any explanation as they are self explanatory. You have gone out of your way to let me know that you know everything and I know nothing so why is it that you can't see what is so obvious. I guess to admit to that fact would mean admitting what you said about Elders not being leaders of the church was totally wrong and judging by your comments that is anathema to you.

 

[marksman]

I said ALL of them and I've already addressed them, but apparently TELLING you doesn't really help.

​So if you said ALL of them, my post about my education is a lie according to you. Thankyou for clarifying that. I will report it to the moderators that once again you have called me a liar.

 

[marksman]

Who estimated this, YOU? Even most modern figures only peg them world wide as 73 million and that's generous given most of them don't even attend weekly church. The latest figure I read (The Telegraph) was below 765,000 last year;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12095251/Church-of-England-attendance-plunges-to-record-low.html
Now considering the world total of Christians is 2 billion, yes that is a small percentage. In fact, less than 4% of the total Christian population in the world; http://www.adherents.com/adh_branches.html#Christianity

Once again, telling you you're wrong, is not the same as calling you a liar, but you're not far from that eventuality if you keep responding like this. Get a grip and start making some sense, instead of all your nonsense.

I have just reported you again for your pejorative language. You have got it real bad.

 

[marksman]

Since you did not deal with the content of my discussion, you gave me another red herring here. You seem to be incapable of addressing the issues I raised. There is no shouting from me. They are simply headings in a larger font.

Bye, Bye
Oz :wub:

I find too many implausible 'holes' in the anti-women in ministry position.


​As there is nothing under the above how can it be a heading in a large font?

 

[Barrd]

Calm down, Marksman.
You aren't impressing anyone, anyway. Is it really worth all this ruckus?