Heaven Bound : or No ?

[Behold]

Reader...

Try to understand that Heaven and Hell, are : Destinations..........Eternal Destinations.

They are Destinations,... ETERNAL.

1,) Originally , Hell was created for the Devil and His Fallen Angels... so, at that time, there was no ADAM.

Once Adam "fell".. once He kneeled before the DEVIL, in Obedience, by doing what God told Him not to do, then Adam became the spiritual progeny of the Devil's fallen = Nature.

2.) This is why Jesus said....>"YOU, are of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL... and the LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER, you shall DO".

See that?
That is Jesus talking about EVERY PERSON< who is NOT BORN AGAIN... right now.

3.) So, when you have a person, who is "of the DEVIL".. then you are talking about the SPIRIT in them, that is a part of the DEVIL's Nature.

See, the DEVIL's Nature, is : SIN.., and a Child of the DEVIL, is a : SINNER.

A Child of God, is a "new Creation".. "In Christ".. a SAINT.

Now....Listen,...

The SIN NATURE, (Adamic) is the DEVIL's Nature, and all who are of the DEVIL.. "will do their FATHER's LUST".

See that?
That is every unbeliever, not born again.

That was ME.. and YOU.........before you and I were born again. (and im not talking about people who are only water baptized and religious).

Im talking about the : BORN>........AGAIN........and the city water supply can't do that for you... as the NEW BIRTH< is "BY MY SPIRIT, sayeth the LORD".. and not by WATER.

A.) So, to be born again, is to CHANGE SPIRITUAL FATHERS for eternity....., and if you are never born again, the you remain for eternity "of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL">.... right now, and after you die, and forever.

So, you are this one............. John 3:36.... if you are not born again...

And that means that what is Originally DESIGNED for the DEVIL. = HELL and the LAKE OF FIRE...is where all unbelievers, never born again, will go when they DIE.... As that is HELL< which was CREATED for the DEVIL.
So, if he is still your Spiritual FATHER, after you die, then you go to HELL., and then the Lake of Fire... forever. (2nd Death)..

Understand?

God does not choose this for you.........YOU chose it by dying as a Christ Rejector, never born again...

AA.) That is why Jesus said........." You MUST be born again"... as if you are not, your Spiritual FATHER is the DEVIL and you will END UP for eternity.... in the place that is designed for the Devil and His Angles, and his OWN.... who are UNBELIEVERS..... who have died, never born again...

Dont be that one...

And...Dont die thinking you are going to heaven because some Heretic and their Cult told you that "the water washed away your sin"..
It didnt.

See, if water could deal with your SIN, and give you forgiveness, then why did Jesus die on the Cross for your Sin?

You "Must be born.. .again".....and that is a Spiritual Birth, that is GOD CAUSED.... ONLY.

 

[NotTheRock]

Do you ever share scripture?

 

[face2face]

Reader...

Try to understand that Heaven and Hell, are : Destinations..........Eternal Destinations.

They are Destinations,... ETERNAL.

1,) Originally , Hell was created for the Devil and His Fallen Angels... so, at that time, there was no ADAM.

Once Adam "fell".. once He kneeled before the DEVIL, in Obedience, by doing what God told Him not to do, then Adam became the spiritual progeny of the Devil's fallen = Nature.

2.) This is why Jesus said....>"YOU, are of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL... and the LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER, you shall DO".

See that?
That is Jesus talking about EVERY PERSON< who is NOT BORN AGAIN... right now.

3.) So, when you have a person, who is "of the DEVIL".. then you are talking about the SPIRIT in them, that is a part of the DEVIL's Nature.

See, the DEVIL's Nature, is : SIN.., and a Child of the DEVIL, is a : SINNER.

A Child of God, is a "new Creation".. "In Christ".. a SAINT.

Now....Listen,...

The SIN NATURE, (Adamic) is the DEVIL's Nature, and all who are of the DEVIL.. "will do their FATHER's LUST".

See that?
That is every unbeliever, not born again.

That was ME.. and YOU.........before you and I were born again. (and im not talking about people who are only water baptized and religious).

Im talking about the : BORN>........AGAIN........and the city water supply can't do that for you... as the NEW BIRTH< is "BY MY SPIRIT, sayeth the LORD".. and not by WATER.

A.) So, to be born again, is to CHANGE SPIRITUAL FATHERS for eternity....., and if you are never born again, the you remain for eternity "of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL">.... right now, and after you die, and forever.

So, you are this one............. John 3:36.... if you are not born again...

And that means that what is Originally DESIGNED for the DEVIL. = HELL and the LAKE OF FIRE...is where all unbelievers, never born again, will go when they DIE.... As that is HELL< which was CREATED for the DEVIL.
So, if he is still your Spiritual FATHER, after you die, then you go to HELL., and then the Lake of Fire... forever. (2nd Death)..

Understand?

God does not choose this for you.........YOU chose it by dying as a Christ Rejector, never born again...

AA.) That is why Jesus said........." You MUST be born again"... as if you are not, your Spiritual FATHER is the DEVIL and you will END UP for eternity.... in the place that is designed for the Devil and His Angles, and his OWN.... who are UNBELIEVERS..... who have died, never born again...

Dont be that one...

And...Dont die thinking you are going to heaven because some Heretic and their Cult told you that "the water washed away your sin"..
It didnt.

See, if water could deal with your SIN, and give you forgiveness, then why did Jesus die on the Cross for your Sin?

You "Must be born.. .again".....and that is a Spiritual Birth, that is GOD CAUSED.... ONLY.

Not sure where Christians get this idea of heaven going - it's weird as all the references from the Apostles show its the Kingdom of Heaven which is coming down from Heaven to earth.

The Lord's prayer would make no sense whatsoever!

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Matt 6:10

These are powerful words when considered.

1. God's Will is perfectly done in heaven which instantly removes the possibility of Angels sinning
2. God's Throne and Holiness will descend with Christ on Earth where he will rule with the saints until all things are put under him

As Acts state, Christ will return just as he left!

F2F

 

[Behold]

Do you ever share scripture?

In Fact, if you are a student of the Bible,... you will recognize scriptures, and not have to be given the "chapter", and verse number, to clue you in that you are reading a verse.
Understand?
See, People who are real NT students.. who read their bible... study the NT... they will see verses all over my Threads and posts.
Those who are not students of the bible, will not., unless i post for them the Chapter and the verse number.
So.... if you are a real student of the Bible, specifically the NT, then when i post verses, always in "Quotes".. then you recognize them... @NotTheRock .

 

[Behold]

Not sure where Christians get this idea of heaven going -

Jesus said that He is the KOG come down.

In Fact the KOG is God and Christ, and everyone who is become "the Temple of the Holy Spirit" has the KOG in them, and they exist in the KOG, having been "translated from DARKNESS... to LIGHT"..

See that "LIGHT"?

That is the KOG.

Understand it like this...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the WORLD"

"GOD Exists in LIGHT".

The Born again, are a "new creation" "In Christ" who have become "CHILDREN OF...THE LIGHT">.... which is the KOG.

 

[amigo de christo]

There is a massive move of another gospel and it is no gospel my friends .
It has come to deceive and decieve many it has .
The dire and absolute necessity of having to Believe on Christ JESUS , is under attack through this deceptoin as never before .
WE must remind all of the absolute and dire necessity of BELIEVING on JESUS THE CHRIST and to teach all things He did teach .

 

[NotTheRock]

In Fact, if you are a student of the Bible,... you will recognize scriptures, and not have to be given the "chapter", and verse number, to clue you in that you are reading a verse.
Understand?

I'm new to Christianity and know next to nothing about the Bible. I was warned not to be persuaded by theological statements unless they're backed by scriptures.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm new to Christianity and know next to nothing about the Bible. I was warned not to be persuaded by theological statements unless they're backed by scriptures.

Get in the bible and love the truth my friend . Men , many men are gonna decieve my friend .
And when i say many i mean even many within christendom itself .
IF you want to know truth , read that bible and continue in prayer to GOD . HE WILL teach you . HE will .

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm new to Christianity and know next to nothing about the Bible. I was warned not to be persuaded by theological statements unless they're backed by scriptures.

Always check everything out with scripture....never take man’s word for it.....

 

[amigo de christo]

Always check everything out with scripture....never take man’s word for it.....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you ever share scripture?

He likes to paraphrase them but he is enamored with His own opinions and interpretations of the Scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen!!....keep on showing the Love Of God from within your heart/ spirit.....I see it shining brightly from within you, you are “ Blessed” Brother to have the Love Of God...

There is no love of this world in you , that’s for sure....God Bless You!

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!!....keep on showing the Love Of God from within your heart/ spirit.....I see it shining brightly from within you, you are “ Blessed” Brother to have the Love Of God...

There is no love of this world in you , that’s for sure....God Bless You!

The LORD has the lambs sister . And our hope be in HE and in HE ALONE .
Feasting upon the lovely words of truth in the bible .
I just had a wonderful thought dear sister . A very lovely thought indeed .
One day every lamb is gonna forever BE with THE LORD . I can hardly imagine how great that day
shall be dear sister . Wonderful for all eternity . what a wonderful home awaits the sheep of His pasture .
THOUGH in this world we will have tribulations . For now they are light ones , mostly words .
BUT no matter how rough it gets dear sister , ALWAYS KNOW the LORD is with us , shall be with us
and in the end we are forever WITH HIM . A place none of us earned or deserved , a place JESUS prepared for us .
Now raise those hands sister , cause it is Lord praising and thanking time again .

 

[JunChosen]

In Fact, if you are a student of the Bible,... you will recognize scriptures, and not have to be given the "chapter", and verse number, to clue you in that you are reading a verse.
Understand?
See, People who are real NT students.. who read their bible... study the NT... they will see verses all over my Threads and posts.
Those who are not students of the bible, will not., unless i post for them the Chapter and the verse number.
So.... if you are a real student of the Bible, specifically the NT, then when i post verses, always in "Quotes".. then you recognize them... @NotTheRock

So you can distinguish those who are real students of the Bible from those who are not?? In this case you failed @NotTheRock??

Do you, as a real student of the Bible, understand that most Christians have different interpretations of Scripture, and therefore it's always best to accompany your comments with scriptures??.

Have you ever read 2 Timothy 3:16?....
16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

So you can distinguish those who are real students of the Bible from those who are not??

Those who are not preach that God burns babies in Hell!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Try to understand that Heaven and Hell, are : Destinations..........Eternal Destinations.

They are Destinations,... ETERNAL.

No Scripture says so. There never was a choice between these “destinations” because they were never mentioned in God’s first purpose for the human race..... there never was such a choice. All Adam was told about was life or death...that’s it. Obey and live....disobey and die. No “heaven or hell” because it was never in God’s purpose for man to ever leave this earth.....it was perfect at the beginning as was the human race, and should have remained so. If there had been no rebellion introducing sin, there would have been no death...no need for a redeemer...no need for a kingdom and no need for Christ to die.
So your first statement never got off the ground.

1,) Originally , Hell was created for the Devil and His Fallen Angels... so, at that time, there was no ADAM.

Again, no Scripture says so....there were no fallen angels before satan tempted the woman in the garden.
The angel who became satan the devil was a “covering cherub” in Eden.....a guardian posted there by God to oversee his human creation’s first responses. It was seeing the humans giving worship to God that corrupted his thinking, creating envy and he wanted worship, evidently because of his magnificence. He observed all that was transpiring between Adam and his new wife and plotted his course.....the only way to gain their worship was to separate them from the true God and to take his place. He has done so very successfully, especially in the area of unification.....the churches of Christendom could not be more divided.

Once Adam "fell".. once He kneeled before the DEVIL, in Obedience, by doing what God told Him not to do, then Adam became the spiritual progeny of the Devil's fallen = Nature.

Well, you got that right.....you become the slave of the one you obey. (Rom 6:16)
What would have happened if Adam had never sinned? Would he have died? Would he ever have gone to heaven? Show us where it says so....

 

[Aunty Jane]

2.) This is why Jesus said....>"YOU, are of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL... and the LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER, you shall DO".

See that?
That is Jesus talking about EVERY PERSON< who is NOT BORN AGAIN... right now.

You don’t have to be “born again” to entertain the hope of everlasting life....were Adam and his wife ever offered the opportunity to be “born again”? What does it even mean? No one seems to be able to explain it, or to fit it into the Bible’s overall narrative.

3.) So, when you have a person, who is "of the DEVIL".. then you are talking about the SPIRIT in them, that is a part of the DEVIL's Nature.

See, the DEVIL's Nature, is : SIN.., and a Child of the DEVIL, is a : SINNER.

A Child of God, is a "new Creation".. "In Christ".. a SAINT.

So all Christians are “saints” in your understanding?
What is a “saint”......and what is their role in God’s purpose? Were Adam and his wife to be “saints”...?

If human beings were never supposed to die, having unlimited access to the “tree of life”, what would their destiny have been? (Gen 3:22-24) What is the big picture here that explains it all?

Now....Listen,...

Or don’t.

The SIN NATURE, (Adamic) is the DEVIL's Nature, and all who are of the DEVIL.. "will do their FATHER's LUST".

See that?
That is every unbeliever, not born again.

Rubbish! Where does it say that? We are not “of the devil” unless we actually do his bidding....deliberately, in defiance of God’s commands. Being born in sin is not something any of us can help...we had no choice.
But God will not condemn anyone unless they are carrying out sin in defiance of God’s commands. Repentance is all that God requires for forgiveness....we all sin, but there are degrees....

 

[Aunty Jane]

That was ME.. and YOU.........before you and I were born again. (and im not talking about people who are only water baptized and religious).

Im talking about the : BORN>........AGAIN........and the city water supply can't do that for you... as the NEW BIRTH< is "BY MY SPIRIT, sayeth the LORD".. and not by WATER.

A.) So, to be born again, is to CHANGE SPIRITUAL FATHERS for eternity....., and if you are never born again, the you remain for eternity "of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL">.... right now, and after you die, and forever.

Absolute unscriptural rubbish.
Since you cannot seem to explain the necessity for being “born again” and you cannot explain what it’s for, and what it means, perhaps I should include this statement from the apostle Paul.....of whom you appear to be very fond...?

To the Corinthians, Paul addressed his first letter....

“Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. . . . . .Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Cor 1:1, 2, 10 NASB)

Whom did Paul address? He addressed “the church of God” firstly to the “saints by calling”. He mentions them again at Heb 3:1....
“Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the Apostle and High Priest of our confession”. (NASB)

So he is addressing “partakes of a heavenly calling”.......and says that these are “with those who in every place call on the name of Jesus, THEIR LORD AND OURS”. So the “saints” are not the only ones who follow Christ and are promised everlasting life. The Lord of the saints is the same Lord as those who do not have the heavenly calling. Since God never created humans with “a heavenly calling”, and he has a special role for them in heaven as “kings and priests” with Jesus, (Rev 20:6).....over whom will they rule....and for whom will they act as priests?

But wait a minute.......what does Paul call Jesus? An “Apostle” and a “High Priest”.
We know that Jesus can be a “High Priest, but can he be an “apostle”?
Why did Paul call his Lord Jesus an “apostle”? Both are roles of service to Yahweh.

So, you are this one............. John 3:36.... if you are not born again...

And that means that what is Originally DESIGNED for the DEVIL. = HELL and the LAKE OF FIRE...is where all unbelievers, never born again, will go when they DIE.... As that is HELL< which was CREATED for the DEVIL.
So, if he is still your Spiritual FATHER, after you die, then you go to HELL., and then the Lake of Fire... forever. (2nd Death)..

Understand?

Are you serious? Who can understand what you clearly misunderstand?

John 3:34-36...
“The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (NASB)

The CJB renders these verses....
“because the one whom God sent speaks God’s words. For God does not give him the Spirit in limited degree — the Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands. Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God’s wrath.”

Who then is “subject to God’s wrath”....the one failing to trust in the son and is disobeying his commands.
In this world at the present time, as we are staring down the barrel of Armageddon, those who reject Christ and the one he represented, (those who do not know God and his son, John 17:3) will end their lives being subject to the anger that God will express when the time is right to act.

God does not choose this for you.........YOU chose it by dying as a Christ Rejector, never born again...

Not all who accept Christ need to be “born again” because it is a body of believers chosen by God for a specific role....the “chosen ones” will rule the earthly inhabitants for whom Christ also died.

Rev 21:2-4 spells it out...
“And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” (NASB)

These humans are not in heaven but on earth receiving the best rulership mankind has ever had....hand picked by God himself and “born again” as spirit creatures when they are resurrected to heaven. These “kings and priests” will bring the human race back into reconciliation with their Creator.....the sacrifice of his son has made that possible.

 

[Aunty Jane]

AA.) That is why Jesus said........." You MUST be born again"... as if you are not, your Spiritual FATHER is the DEVIL and you will END UP for eternity.... in the place that is designed for the Devil and His Angles, and his OWN.... who are UNBELIEVERS..... who have died, never born again...

Dont be that one...

And...Dont die thinking you are going to heaven because some Heretic and their Cult told you that "the water washed away your sin"..
It didnt.

See, if water could deal with your SIN, and give you forgiveness, then why did Jesus die on the Cross for your Sin?

You "Must be born.. .again".....and that is a Spiritual Birth, that is GOD CAUSED.... ONLY.

What example did Jesus himself set? Was he baptized in water before he was baptized with holy spirit?
Did Jesus need to be baptized in water? Why was John reluctant to do it?

All who underwent John’s baptism had to be baptized “in the name of The Father, son and Holy Spirit” In recognition of the role that each played in the success of their spiritual journey. Their baptism was not the end, but just the beginning of that course in life.

Only those who are of the “heavenly calling” need to be “born again”.....those over whom they will rule, will be those from every nation who did not get to know God or his Christ.....as well as those who were taught by the apostles and others who were heaven bound. Some will survive the great tribulation to come.....and after his victory over satan, Jesus will call all the dead from their tombs to join them so that God’s first purpose for the human race can go ahead unimpeded. (John 5:28-29)

 

[Behold]

No Scripture says so. There never was a choice between these “destinations” because they were never mentioned in God’s first purpose for the human race...

All that has ever happened in this world, and all that is up and coming, as the NT describes it, was always known as "God's Foreknowledge"

So, God's only purpose for the human race was for us to be happy, live forever, and worship Him.