Hebrew has no Vowels?

[bbyrd009]

"
Lords of the Bible
Since 'adon is the common Hebrew appellation for the people we would call 'sir' or 'mister', it occurs all over the Bible. The Pharaoh of Egypt is referred to as 'adon (Genesis 40:1), and so is king Saul of Israel(1 Samuel 16:16). But even lesser officers, such as Joseph (Genesis 42:10), general Joab (2 Samuel 11:11), the government of the Tekoites (Nehemiah 3:5), and even the prophet Elijah (1 Kings 18:7) are addressed with 'adon.

Polite and hospitably, Lot calls his angelic guests such (Genesis 19:2), and Hannah says it to high priest Eli (1 Samuel 1:15). A concubine's man is called her 'adon (Judges 19:26). Ruth calls her future husband Boaz 'adon (Ruth 2:13), and Sarah calls her husband Abraham as such (Genesis 18:12) and is therefore highly appreciated by Peter (1 PETER 3:6).

The Greek word used by Peter is κυριος (kurios), which is slightly different in meaning, as it denotes only authority and not the idea of literal fundament..." ibid

 

[bbyrd009]

how did the the "Lord", adown in verse 1 go to the "Lord", Adonai in verse 5?

the article deals with this, my response would be "bc of the perspective change."

2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

so the person in verse 1 and 5 is the "Same" and one Person.

Persons in God, hmm. I understand where anthropomorphism comes from, but we have Scripture that directly disputes this tendency of ours imo. We call cars "she" and "her" too, iow.

While Scripture certainly employs personification as a literary device, imo this concept is easily taken too far, and I don't have my uncorrupted Strong's to hand at the moment but if I'm not mistaken this was one of the changes?

I tried to Quote #1 too, this "meaning Lord as a proper Name of God," which the article deals with also, which I suspect is also false based upon other sources and the article. Short answer, "Lord" is an English term that...is prolly not the best translation to our minds, our current understanding, but I'm not sure how to illuminate this any further, um, the example of a serf joyfully and willingly being a serf to an English lord might clarify that a bit?

Ah, see post 40 for more on that I guess.

But I do appreciate any critique here, as I am trying my best to catch the Abarim out lol

 

[101G]

the article deals with this, my response would be "bc of the perspective change."

Persons in God, hmm. I understand where anthropomorphism comes from, but we have Scripture that directly disputes this tendency of ours imo. We call cars "she" and "her" too, iow.

While Scripture certainly employs personification as a literary device, imo this concept is easily taken too far, and I don't have my uncorrupted Strong's to hand at the moment but if I'm not mistaken this was one of the changes?

I tried to Quote #1 too, this "meaning Lord as a proper Name of God," which the article deals with also, which I suspect is also false based upon other sources and the article. Short answer, "Lord" is an English term that...is prolly not the best translation to our minds, our current understanding, but I'm not sure how to illuminate this any further, um, the example of a serf joyfully and willingly being a serf to an English lord might clarify that a bit?

Ah, see post 40 for more on that I guess.

But I do appreciate any critique here, as I am trying my best to catch the Abarim out lol

GINOLJC, to all.

First thanks for the reply, second, it's good you're pursuing this.

I read Post #40. maybe this can help

LORD = God who is Spirit, Holy Spirit.

Lord = God who is spirit, shared in flesh, God Son.

lord = Human or angelic, controller.

the first two titles are "divine" with the Spirit shared in flesh "Lord", and the Spirit without flesh, LORD.

Please take note: Lord in flesh, native, or Indwelling.

Hope this helps.

 

[bbyrd009]

GINOLJC, to all.

First thanks for the reply, second, it's good you're pursuing this.

I read Post #40. maybe this can help

LORD = God who is Spirit, Holy Spirit.

Lord = God who is spirit, shared in flesh, God Son.

lord = Human or angelic, controller.

the first two titles are "divine" with the Spirit shared in flesh "Lord", and the Spirit without flesh, LORD.

Please take note: Lord in flesh, native, or Indwelling.

Hope this helps.

personally I would ditch the "Lord" thinking entirely as this is an English corruption imo that contradicts "It rains on the evil and the good"--and other supporting Scripture--which was not practiced by any English Lords that I am aware of. I understand the cognitive dissonance this might cause, but this is only bc we have become so fam with the term "Lord." I could provide any number of thought experiments backed up by Scripture to demo this concept, but briefly when is the last time you asked Jesus for permission to do anything, or did not do something you desired to do bc your "Lord" prohibited it? Note that you will be tempted to now veer into the spiritual to reply, see, but "Lord" is a literal term, with literal implications, and your defs up there even point to this, "controller" etc.

I know this might initially seem to be splitting hairs or inconsequential, but one simply cannot do obeisance ("worship," to most) to a "Lord" and then take on the responsibilities of Lord as we are required to do. To put that another way, if Jesus dying for my sins made me right with God, I would not need to pick up my cross and follow, which we even see forwarded here either overtly or covertly by many or most.

The Passages that seem to suggest that need to be read with one eye rather than two, or else the Passages that refute it need to be admitted, and I have over 100 instances here onsite of refusal to acknowledge the v, let alone "admit" it.

It is the diff in "Jesus died for my sins" and "Christ died bc of my sin" imo. We get "Lord" the same way we got "hell," by scribes and agendas, not saying it was deliberate or intentional, all done in good..."faith." :/

 

[101G]

personally I would ditch the "Lord" thinking entirely as this is an English corruption imo that contradicts "It rains on the evil and the good"--and other supporting Scripture--which was not practiced by any English Lords that I am aware of.

nope, hold onto it for a second,

I could provide any number of thought experiments backed up by Scripture to demo this concept, but briefly when is the last time you asked Jesus for permission to do anything, or did not do something you desired to do bc your "Lord" prohibited it?

ok, post your scriptures,

 

[bbyrd009]

ok, post your scriptures,

but briefly when is the last time you asked Jesus for permission to do anything, or did not do something you desired to do bc your "Lord" prohibited it?

 

[bbyrd009]

see, the term "Lord" just has a special place in our sick little hearts now bc we associate the term with God and Jesus, but "Lord" was hardly the best translation available even then. God does not "Lord" it over anyone. I serve God bc I want to, and I am free to stop when I want to too, and this cannot be said of any "Lord."

 

[bbyrd009]

same arg really, diff thread

Under the old covenant it was about keeping God's laws to be in good standing with Him.

In good standing with Him, you say? But I think when you try to Quote this you will see that it is absolutely not true, at least in a literal sense.

Also, in the New Covenant it is also about keeping God's Law, "that it may go well with you," which I'm sure you would concede is a considerably diff concept.

So imo don't worry, bc there is nothing you could possibly do to be in good standing with God, ok, or any better "standing" than you already are, sitting. Matter of fact is likely that the standing or attempting at it is what is causing most of the probs :)​

 

[101G]

see, the term "Lord" just has a special place in our sick little hearts now bc we associate the term with God and Jesus, but "Lord" was hardly the best translation available even then. God does not "Lord" it over anyone. I serve God bc I want to, and I am free to stop when I want to too, and this cannot be said of any "Lord."

first thanks for the reply.

second, my heart is not sick, maybe your is. but we can clear up the the term Lord as, U say, "God does not "Lord" it over anyone. it, I don't know where that came from, but the term "Lord" is a good translation. and here's why. a good example, as the Man was to "HAVE" the rule "OVER" the woman, scripture,
Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

rule ove do not mean "rule" her, only a sick mind would go that route.

"rule over" is not the same as "rule". rule over is by permission, which if a woman give a man, husband to be, permission to "RULE OVER" her, is to be a. protector, b. provider, c. and care taker of his wife, bride to be. hence the permission to do these thing.

so God who is our protector, provider, and care taker of us, do this by our confession to him to be our Lord.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

see, the term "Lord" just has a special place in our sick little hearts now bc we associate the term with God and Jesus, but "Lord" was hardly the best translation available even then. God does not "Lord" it over anyone. I serve God bc I want to, and I am free to stop when I want to too, and this cannot be said of any "Lord."

Mark 10:42-45
[42] But Jesus called them to him , and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [43] But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [44] And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [45] For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

For many...not a few.

 

[bbyrd009]

by our confession to him

that would be a profession wadr, unless you are admitting some other sin?

to be our Lord.

and one of these things is just not like the other wadr, except to an English mind.

 

[bbyrd009]

Mark 10:42-45
[42] But Jesus called them to him , and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [43] But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [44] And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [45] For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

For many...not a few.

awesome, ty, i'm pretty crippled here @ the moment lol

 

[bbyrd009]

"We heard you coming and we knew we were naked, so we hid"
"Here, have a skin then"
see, no English "Lord" mentality in that anywhere, right

 

[bbyrd009]

ok, post your scriptures

however, John 5:22 Lexicon: "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

 

[101G]

however, John 5:22 Lexicon: "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

thanks for the reply, second, is not the "Father" the son in flesh? so he still rule over us.

 

[101G]

101G said: ↑
by our confession to him
that would be a profession wadr, unless you are admitting some other sin?

what post # of this topic did I say that in.

 

[bbyrd009]

thanks for the reply, second, is not the "Father" the son in flesh? so he still rule over us.

I agree, but imo that is more like a worm-hole than a direct transference, at least until we get Who Christ is. Imo until we recognize tha we kill Christ in us all by ourselves, Jesus is strictly a shrine on the wall that we give a nod to, and saying "Lord, Lord" literally becomes an insult to God. Well, as written I guess

 

[bbyrd009]

101G said: ↑
by our confession to him
that would be a profession wadr, unless you are admitting some other sin?

what post # of this topic did I say that in.

Boy, I'm on an iPad w/1 bar and you're asking me? Lol
Bottom of 49 :)

 

[101G]

I agree, but imo that is more like a worm-hole than a direct transference, at least until we get Who Christ is. Imo until we recognize tha we kill Christ in us all by ourselves, Jesus is strictly a shrine on the wall that we give a nod to, and saying "Lord, Lord" literally becomes an insult to God. Well, as written I guess

no worm-hole, just "light speed" and we will get to christ.

Imo until we recognize tha we kill Christ in us all by ourselves

ERROR, no one killed christ, he laid down his life voluntary, and like wise we do the same voluntary lay down our life. that's why water baptism is so important. we metaphorically lay down our live in BAPTISM, we don't baptize ourselves, another do it, because we submit to the ordinance of God voluntary. we cannot kill christ who is in us for it is not us who live but he in us. and he, who is in us is GREATER than he who is in the world, US, and the devil.

Jesus is strictly a shrine on the wall that we give a nod to, and saying "Lord, Lord" literally becomes an insult to God. Well, as written I guess

if he's on your wall, yes. but he should be in your HEART.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

ERROR, no one killed christ, he laid down his life voluntary

that was Jesus, so if you prefer I would just rephrase that as "there is more than one way to interpret 'Jesus died for your sins.'"
but it amounts to the same thing ok