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Aunty Jane
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I will pray that you will someday find an ex-JW that has had their eyes opened by the Spirit of God's Word - and not by the Heretical NWT.
Why do you think most nations have a judicial system with a judge and jury and have both sides equally represented in a regulated court of Law.....?
'As you judge, so you will be judged'...remember? Twisted half truths are worse than lies.
If "ex's" knew the truth then why have they not formed themselves into the true religion and received Jehovah's blessings?
They are more lost than they have ever been because you burn your bridges when you leave Christendom....there is basically then nowhere to go, other than what the apostle Peter said...(2 Peter 2:20-22).
No one does what JW's do.....and we do it on a global scale.....we all believe the same things and all carry the same message to everyone in all nations. We participate in the same work that Jesus assigned back in the first century before he returned to heaven. (Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 24:14).....Where are the churches in the fulfillment of 'the great commission'? Even Roman Catholicism envies us because we do what no other church can carry out, even for a short period of time.
Thousands of Italian Catholics are becoming Jehovah's Witnesses as our global ranks increase daily....and the Pope has no idea why.
Jesus said he would back this work.....and he has. "The end" is approaching and so we must be ready. (2 Peter 3:11-14)
Grailhunter
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I will pray that you will someday find an ex-JW that has had their eyes opened by the Spirit of God's Word - and not by the Heretical NWT.
It called professional interventionists. The Jehovah's Witnesses keep'em busy.
Any religion that involves reoccurring need for professional interventionists is bad and dangerous. Parents and friends trying to rescue people.
Sexual abuse...general abuse of children and spouses. Law firms that specialize in sexual abuse and spousal abuse in the Jehovah's Witnesses religion...that religion!
Type in "abuse in Jehovah's Witnesses"...... and you will get an eye full.
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Grailhunter
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Jehovah’s Witness elders made teen listen to recording of her rape for hours, lawsuit claims
Jehovah’s Witness elders made teen listen recording of her rape for hours, lawsuit claims
Jehovah’s Witness elders made teen listen recording of her rape for hours, lawsuit claims
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The Jehovah's Witnesses abuse seems to be wide spread....here are reports from around the world...
British
Jehovah's Witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse
England and Wales
Three women tell awful stories of abuse as Jehovah's Witness children
Denmark Media Reports on Child Abuse Crisis in JWs
Switzerland
SWITZERLAND: Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified, Court Confirms. - Jehovah's Witnesses
Newfoundland
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468
Canada
Hamilton woman hopes to draw attention to Jehovah's Witness child sex abuse allegations
Canada again
$66M class action sex abuse suit filed against Jehovah's ...
Is this the proverbial example of a smoking gun or is it the worldwide modus operandi of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
British
Jehovah's Witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse
England and Wales
Three women tell awful stories of abuse as Jehovah's Witness children
Denmark Media Reports on Child Abuse Crisis in JWs
Switzerland
SWITZERLAND: Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified, Court Confirms. - Jehovah's Witnesses
Newfoundland
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468
Canada
Hamilton woman hopes to draw attention to Jehovah's Witness child sex abuse allegations
Canada again
$66M class action sex abuse suit filed against Jehovah's ...
Is this the proverbial example of a smoking gun or is it the worldwide modus operandi of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
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Grailhunter
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Is this the proverbial example of a smoking gun or is it a worldwide modus operandi of the Jehovah's Witnesses? But why do they do it? Sexual abuse.
Most know of the sexual abuse cases against the Catholic Church....but why do the Catholic's abuse sexually?
I know the history of the Catholic Church so I can bash their history thoroughly, but a lot of that is history. And as Christians it is one of the tenets of faith to forgive.
The modern Catholic faith has improved significantly. I am not talking about the Vatican....would not give you 2 cents for any of that....I am talking about the Catholics in the pews the local priests and such. I love the Catholics and fellowship with them so what I say here is not from an uninformed or biased stand point.
So why does the Catholic Church have such problem with sexual abuse? Any denomination can have a sexual abuser in it ranks, but why is the Catholic Church unique in this? The Catholic Church has had a history of demonizing sex but in modern times it is my opinion that it is the misunderstanding of perversion. Setting up an institution of celibacy is against the natural order that God created....an actual perversion in itself. A large organization filled with a bunch of sexually frustrated people....priest and nuns....is a formula for bad things to happen.....because it is not natural. That is one of the problems.
The other problem is that it attracts perversions. People of conscience that are homosexual or child abusers think they can save themselves by joining the priesthood and become celibate. The concept is sin no more.
In practice it probably works for some....put obviously not for all. It is not like homosexual coaches that get jobs to be close to boys. So there could be a good intent, it just does not workout all the time. The Catholic Church would solve some of its problems by abolishing the celibacy rule for clergy and nuns. Getting rid of the homosexuals and turning the child molesters over to the authorities.
But the Jehovah's Witnesses is a different story. Why? Well I believe that they are cultural misfits. Unlike the Jews who have strived to modernize their religion, the JW's relish in the culture and religion of the Old Testament period. Intentionally favoring the Old Testament culture. Focusing on Jehovah.... That is another topic....His name is Yahweh. Focusing on God the Father while trying to dismiss God the Son.
Their issues....and that is issues, like many....it is not just sexual abuse it is physical abuse of wives and children. There practices regarding physical and mental abuse and excommunication even within families, is the reason they have earned the reputation of being cultists. Their religion is certainly heretical by Webster's definition of heresy. But some see their practices as also cult like. Some of it is, like the testimony of a victim that I heard, that was tied and whipped by her own family because she was dating a Baptist. Of course she was having relations with this young man so I think that was part of the motivation for striping her and beating her with a switch. So that sort of thing crosses the line into the proper definition of cult. But again why?
I believe that it is their focus on the Old Testament culture and religion. Women and children were property and the Mosaic Law only gave so much guidance as to how a man treated his property.
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
Proverbs 13:24
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
On the topic of wife beating, this is a cultural thing for the Jews that continued until more modern times. No Mosaic Law against it. Like I said....his property so.....he had rights to treat as he saw fit. So it is evident that some JW's have embraced this Old Testament custom.
The JW's consider Christianity as false religions....other religions....and at times treat Christians as if they were Pagans.
Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth. Exodus 23:13
It shall come about if you ever forget the Lord your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish. Deuteronomy 8:19
So I can tell you for sure that the JW's consider Christian religions as false and Christians as idolaters. So if a person, son, daughter, or wife wants to leave the JW's religion it is treated as a betrayal of the faith, and a betrayal of God and their treatment can be physical or emotional abuse or excommunication from the religion or even their families. Family divisions is something that comes up very often. This is another way they ring the bell for cultism and raise the red flag for authorities.
Now I am not a professional interventionist but I have participated with them and law enforcement to rescue wives and children. Not just with the Jehovah's Witnesses but some Calvinist separatists and one strange group called the Children of God. But when you talk to these people you get to know the rhetoric of cultism. Their manner of speech changes, almost like you are hearing the voice of the person that drilled this into their heads.
Cultural misfits sums it up. They are practicing a religion that was formulated and weaved from Old Testament beliefs and cultures...the Hebrews/ Israelites/ Jews did not believe in hell and still do not believe in hell. Their messiah was suppose to be a human, not a God. A human warlord king that would free them from their oppressors .....not a God of peace and love that offered heaven as a reward and saved them from hell and the devil.
My aunt was a JW and as a youth I spent some time in a Kingdom Hall so I know how this stuff is practiced and how it is drilled into them.
Most know of the sexual abuse cases against the Catholic Church....but why do the Catholic's abuse sexually?
I know the history of the Catholic Church so I can bash their history thoroughly, but a lot of that is history. And as Christians it is one of the tenets of faith to forgive.
The modern Catholic faith has improved significantly. I am not talking about the Vatican....would not give you 2 cents for any of that....I am talking about the Catholics in the pews the local priests and such. I love the Catholics and fellowship with them so what I say here is not from an uninformed or biased stand point.
So why does the Catholic Church have such problem with sexual abuse? Any denomination can have a sexual abuser in it ranks, but why is the Catholic Church unique in this? The Catholic Church has had a history of demonizing sex but in modern times it is my opinion that it is the misunderstanding of perversion. Setting up an institution of celibacy is against the natural order that God created....an actual perversion in itself. A large organization filled with a bunch of sexually frustrated people....priest and nuns....is a formula for bad things to happen.....because it is not natural. That is one of the problems.
The other problem is that it attracts perversions. People of conscience that are homosexual or child abusers think they can save themselves by joining the priesthood and become celibate. The concept is sin no more.
In practice it probably works for some....put obviously not for all. It is not like homosexual coaches that get jobs to be close to boys. So there could be a good intent, it just does not workout all the time. The Catholic Church would solve some of its problems by abolishing the celibacy rule for clergy and nuns. Getting rid of the homosexuals and turning the child molesters over to the authorities.
But the Jehovah's Witnesses is a different story. Why? Well I believe that they are cultural misfits. Unlike the Jews who have strived to modernize their religion, the JW's relish in the culture and religion of the Old Testament period. Intentionally favoring the Old Testament culture. Focusing on Jehovah.... That is another topic....His name is Yahweh. Focusing on God the Father while trying to dismiss God the Son.
Their issues....and that is issues, like many....it is not just sexual abuse it is physical abuse of wives and children. There practices regarding physical and mental abuse and excommunication even within families, is the reason they have earned the reputation of being cultists. Their religion is certainly heretical by Webster's definition of heresy. But some see their practices as also cult like. Some of it is, like the testimony of a victim that I heard, that was tied and whipped by her own family because she was dating a Baptist. Of course she was having relations with this young man so I think that was part of the motivation for striping her and beating her with a switch. So that sort of thing crosses the line into the proper definition of cult. But again why?
I believe that it is their focus on the Old Testament culture and religion. Women and children were property and the Mosaic Law only gave so much guidance as to how a man treated his property.
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
Proverbs 13:24
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
On the topic of wife beating, this is a cultural thing for the Jews that continued until more modern times. No Mosaic Law against it. Like I said....his property so.....he had rights to treat as he saw fit. So it is evident that some JW's have embraced this Old Testament custom.
The JW's consider Christianity as false religions....other religions....and at times treat Christians as if they were Pagans.
Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth. Exodus 23:13
It shall come about if you ever forget the Lord your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish. Deuteronomy 8:19
So I can tell you for sure that the JW's consider Christian religions as false and Christians as idolaters. So if a person, son, daughter, or wife wants to leave the JW's religion it is treated as a betrayal of the faith, and a betrayal of God and their treatment can be physical or emotional abuse or excommunication from the religion or even their families. Family divisions is something that comes up very often. This is another way they ring the bell for cultism and raise the red flag for authorities.
Now I am not a professional interventionist but I have participated with them and law enforcement to rescue wives and children. Not just with the Jehovah's Witnesses but some Calvinist separatists and one strange group called the Children of God. But when you talk to these people you get to know the rhetoric of cultism. Their manner of speech changes, almost like you are hearing the voice of the person that drilled this into their heads.
Cultural misfits sums it up. They are practicing a religion that was formulated and weaved from Old Testament beliefs and cultures...the Hebrews/ Israelites/ Jews did not believe in hell and still do not believe in hell. Their messiah was suppose to be a human, not a God. A human warlord king that would free them from their oppressors .....not a God of peace and love that offered heaven as a reward and saved them from hell and the devil.
My aunt was a JW and as a youth I spent some time in a Kingdom Hall so I know how this stuff is practiced and how it is drilled into them.
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Moriah's Song
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Act 17:31...he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and of this he has given assurance to all men by raising him from the dead."
It’s true that the New Testament teaches that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead ...
Romans 6:4..."We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
Acts 2:32... "This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses."
Acts 2:32... "This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses."
But it is also true that Jesus himself was acting to bring about his own resurrection. We know this because he said in...
John 10:18, “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” God the Father gave Jesus the authority to take up his life again from the grave where his body lay dead.
John 5:21–22: “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father . . . has given all judgment to the Son.” So the Son has authority to raise from the dead whomever he will, including himself.
John 5:21–22: “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father . . . has given all judgment to the Son.” So the Son has authority to raise from the dead whomever he will, including himself.
So Jesus says in John 2:19: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” And John adds, “He was speaking about the temple of his body” (John 2:21). "Destroy this body, and in three days, I will raise it up." And he did raise himself from the dead after he had been crucified.
Non-believers always use these seemingly contradictions to discredit those of use who understand the Trinity. If you are correct and we are wrong you must answer this question:
- If God said that He raised Jesus from the dead and then Jesus said that He raised Himself from the dead, do you realize that you are now calling one of those a liar?
- Which one do you believe is a liar?
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Wrangler
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And it is also true that God is uniquely equated with the Father and no other being or person.
Acts 17:31 does not use the term God the Father but God in his unitarian nature. You are reading ‘the Father’ into text that states God (in his unitarian nature) raised Jesus from the dead.
Moriah's Song
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Wrangler
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Nearly every one of your posts begin with a false premise. So, keep this in mind when gaging the seriousness of your own questions.
Wrangler
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“If” trinitarianism was valid it would be an explicit teaching in Scripture.
Jesus never said he raised himself from the dead. Are you aware of the significance of Scripture saying God, in his unitarian nature, actually raised Jesus from the dead with Jesus never saying he raised himself from the dead?
In John 20:17, the resurrected Jesus said he was going to his God. In John 17:3 Jesus said his father is the only true God. Why would Jesus say these things if he were God?
Jesus’ God is the only God.
Grailhunter
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You have already been give these scriptures that Christ Himself spoke. Let me guess....you line out these scriptures in your Bible or do they not appear in the New World Translation?
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.” John 10:18
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. John 2:19-21
Moriah's Song
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Did I ever ask you to accept or deny MY OPINIONS as to what those verses said??? NO!!! This is what I responded to you...
That only proves that you are unable to deny the truth of God's Word or else you would have been happy to say that one of them had to be lying.
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