Hey Riven, May I ask?

[Debp]

This is a bit deceptive as you have never dealt with it. I mean you have commented on it and dodged the main point as artfully as you are now. Debates like these aren't good edification for a new believer but you have to keep pushing your error so expect some push back.

I agree with the statement I put into bold. @Riven

@Matthias Have you considered that Riven has only been a believer for a few days? Constantly going after him can be repellent.

 

[Matthias]

I agree with the statement I put into bold. @Riven

@Matthias Have you considered that Riven has only been a believer for a few days? Constantly going after him can be repellent.

I’m not going after him. I worked with him a long time to get him where he is today; longer than anyone else here has. I’ve seen him move from Agnosticism to Christianity.

I posted my final message to him this morning.

 

[Riven]

@Riven have you read the creed?

Yes, I read it.

 

[Angelina]

@Matthias, when I was a child, we used to have this Catholic minister who began to come to my little village. I understood through various teachings that it was impossible to completely keep the law; even as an 8-year-old, I could see that this was impossible. I used to pray to Father God during those times because I believed in God and I saw what he could do, especially as the enemy was determined to destroy my young life. One day he spoke to me audibly, but I did not recognize him, and I asked him who he was, and he made it very clear to me that he was Jesus. That is why I 100% believe that no one can come to Father God except through his son, Jesus Christ. JM2C

 

[Matthias]

@Matthias, when I was a child, we used to have this Catholic minister who began to come to my little village. I understood through various teachings that it was impossible to completely keep the law; even as an 8-year-old, I could see that this was impossible. I used to pray to Father God during those times because I believed in God and I saw what he could do, especially as the enemy was determined to destroy my young life. One day he spoke to me audibly, but I did not recognize him, and I asked him who he was, and he made it very clear to me that he was Jesus. That is why I 100% believe that no one can come to Father God except through his son, Jesus Christ. JM2C

I know the voice. John 14:6.

 

[Angelina]

I had many encounters with the Lord prior to the minister coming to our small community.

It was not a dream, btw. I was standing on the verandah of my house one day when I heard an audible voice. calling out my name. I thought it was my brothers, but they did not answer me. This happened a few times before I realized it was not them. That is when I asked the voice who he was, and he said that he was Jesus. This revelation did not affect anyone except me. Later on (in hindsight) I realized that I was talking with the Lord, not Father God.

Whether you believe this or not, this understanding is backed up by scripture. John 14:6 as Matthias has pointed out. Galatians 4:6, John 6:44.

 

[Debp]

one day when I heard an audible voice

I also have heard an audible voice in my childhood. The voice distinctly and strongly said "go home." A couple of weeks later we found out the father at that house had tied up and molested a child.

Just before I heard the voice, he had told me we would go downstairs together. After hearing the voice I told his kids I had to go and eat dinner. Never went back.

 

[Lambano]

Riven, you were hanging around this forum for a long time before you became a Christian, so you knew this is what we Christians are really like, right?

 

[Debp]

Riven, you were hanging around this forum for a long time before you became a Christian, so you knew this is what we Christians are really like, right?

Not all of us are like that, thankfully.

 

[Debp]

you're getting yourself all worked up over nothing and are getting more agitated as we continue on this conversation. Thinks it's time you had a break from this thread.

And we can see why some people are turned off from our faith.

 

[Angelina]

Yes, indeed. I am going to tidy up this thread.

 

[Lambano]

Not all of us are like that, thankfully.

Deb, what I find deeply disturbing is the recognition that, yes, I AM LIKE THAT, deep down.

 

[shepherdsword]

Deb, what I find deeply disturbing is the recognition that, yes, I AM LIKE THAT, deep down.

That's why we all need Jesus, brother