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Is homosexuality a sin?


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Duckybill

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For someone to use the excuse that they were born homosexual just won't fly on Judgment Day.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

The rest of this bunch could use the same excuse.
 

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I am going to stick my neck on the line here because it doesn't help to base things on what is not true and bearing in mind it is the truth that sets us free and bearing in mind that truth and love are synonomous with each other.

No one is born a homosexual. No one is born a heterosexual. When we are born we are asexual. All that matters to a baby is love, warmth, food, being hugged and sleep. Ask a baby to explain sexuality to you and he/she will probably blow a raspberry at you as they tend not to be worried about things that are not important to them. Now, if you don't feed them, they will soon let you know in no uncertain terms.

What we are born with or in is God's image. What I am led to understand is that in Hebrew, God is both male and female. Elohim, one of God's Hebrew names is female. Adoni is male. Nowhere is there any understanding of God being male and male or female and female.

At the same time God when he created Adam in his image, created Eve out of Adam. She was not a seperate creation like Adam was. That means that Adam and Eve were two parts of a whole. They were a natural fit. One has only to look at the male/female body to realise that. One has only to realise that men are rational and women are not to realise that. (did I say something wrong?). Well, that is what my wife tells me when she says something and I say that it is not rational. Her reply is "What do you expect. I am a woman." Nuf zed.

That means the total revelation of scripture is male/female, man/wife. I don't find anywhere in scripture that God has changed his mind about that and has decided to create homosexuals as a representation of his image. So, where did it all go wrong?

As we know, since satan was thrown out of heaven he has been trying to get back at God anyway he can. Of late he has hit onto the idea that if he can break up the family he will have done a good job because the family is the ultimate expression of God and it is the basis of all successful societies.

What he has managed to do is spread lies of humungous proportions which is not surprising as he is the father of lies. Having put the boot into the family, he has told us that the family is no longer necessary, that anyone can be a successful parent, that boys don't need fathers, and that the child will not be affected by any parental computation. Whatever it is, the child will grow up happy, healthy and well adjusted.

Now, if you believe that, you will believe anything. You will believe that you are born homosexual not in the image of God; you will believe that you can successfully bring up children with your boyfriend; you will believe that the destruction of the family is not going to have a negative effect; you will believe that you can make up the rules as you go along; you will believe that it is OK to murder a million babies in the womb each year; you will believe that there are no such thing as norms; you will believe that marriage is all about two people of any gender being in love; you will believe that God's word is there for private interpretation to back up your abberation; you will believe that people who commit crime are not to blame it was their bad childhood; you will believe that there is nothing wrong with the pornification of society.

Which brings me back to the original point. A person adopts a homosexual way of life because of an emotionally defective childhood that has left them not knowing who they are and who to trust. The outcome is a sense of rejection which sends them on a journey to find acceptance. For the homosexual, that occurs in the arms of another man and where sex equals acceptance.

Because this is a lie of satan we know that what they are trying to achieve never happens. That is why in so called committed homosexual relationships, weekly adultery takes place. How do I know? They told me. That is why the average length of a committed homosexual relationship is 18 months. How do I know? I have read research produced by homosexuals themselves.

A lie always produces heartache for the person being lied to. Those that choose to ignore the tried and tested which means God's revealed will, are deceived and unfortunately will reap in their bodies what they sow. You will find very few homosexuals that are happy because in the main they are believing a lie. Satan has totally robbed them of the God given joy of a lifetime mate and children. That is why they are clamouring for SSM and the right to adopt children. They think that will bring happiness. It won't. It will only compound the sadness they already experience.

Homosexuals are second rate citizens because they have chosen a second rate way of life foisted on them by satan. Like everyone else who has done the same, i.e. the prostitute, the criminal, the adulterer, the fornicator, the kleptomaniac, the con merchant, they all are deceived and need to know the truth. That Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. To tell them that is love, not judgment.

Like all sinners, we need to be gracious to them the same as God was gracious to us bearing in mind that it was whilst we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. The only people you can't be gracious to are those who have made it clear they don't want to know and they won't let you be gracious.

They are not your problem or your responsibility. They will have to deal with their Maker and accept the consequences of their rebellion.

The problem is that science does not back up your claim that people are born asexual.
 

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Christ meets us where we are at. If homosexuals love God and obey His commandments - who knows what God will do? The fact is, there are much worse things a homosexual can engage in than a monogamous same-sex relationship.

One of the most awe-inspiring thing about God is that His point / teaching always goes over our heads - the Pharisees missed it (to rigid and too right), the disciples didn't get it - Peter didn't even get when he provided the right answer "You are the Messiah". God is always cutting through our dualistic minds just like He did with the Pharisees - they hit Him with right and wrong - He cut through it with Love.

So who knows? Who are we to judge? We are all guilty - and guilty for repeated - lifestyle sin. It is not about who thinks they are righteous, anyway. It is about mercy, and love.

This hypie love message is dedicated to my good buddy Foreigner......
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What commandments are you referring to? Do you know that whatever God says is a command and is not limited to the ten commandments. And its true that Jesus meets us all where we are at but that does not mean He expect us to stay where He met us. The Bible says grow in grace and in knowledge. If you expect a thief to repent and stop stealing, then why would one expect a homosexual or a lesbian to continue sinning....willfully?

All my guy friends that are gay are great dancers... some of them are kind of pervs... but then again... most of my guy friends even that aren't gay are pervs... haha... thank God for Jesus who paid the price for our imperfections... all glory to Him...

Love ya fire7... there's no difference between me and you... we both are saved by same cross... and without that cross we're both condemned by the same law...

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It seems as if you hang out with a lot of perverted men; is there a reason for that?
 

Duckybill

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Love ya fire7... there's no difference between me and you... we both are saved by same cross... and without that cross we're both condemned by the same law...
Are you implying that everyone is saved??? Homosexuals?
 

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What commandments are you referring to? Do you know that whatever God says is a command and is not limited to the ten commandments. And its true that Jesus meets us all where we are at but that does not mean He expect us to stay where He met us. The Bible says grow in grace and in knowledge. If you expect a thief to repent and stop stealing, then why would one expect a homosexual or a lesbian to continue sinning....willfully?




It seems as if you hang out with a lot of perverted men; is there a reason for that?
Yea, there is a reason for that.... A sick man needs a doctor. A well man don't.
 

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Yea, there is a reason for that.... A sick man needs a doctor. A well man don't.


Well Jesus did heal much of those who needed spiritual healing. So I am wondering, how many of those prev as Robbie calls them have been healed? One can tell how good a doctor is by how many patent he has helped successfully.
 

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Well Jesus did heal much of those who needed spiritual healing. So I am wondering, how many of those prev as Robbie calls them have been healed? One can tell how good a doctor is by how many patent he has helped successfully.
Not sure who "prev" are....
 

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tullius says
It is 100% incompatible to be a God fearing Christian and a homosexual.
It is also 100% incompatible to be a practicing Christian and a homosexual.

we need to go back as see what the bible says about sin. to God one sin is just as bad as another. lets look at the old testament and see how people were killed for working on the sabbath. how about if a son disobeyed their parents that the son was to be put to death. why don't we uphold these laws? everyone points to homosexuals as this great sin that no one will get to heaven by. why are they hated and thieves and adulterers and ect mentioned in 1 cor 6:9-10 [sup]9 [/sup]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, [sup]10 [/sup]nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. why do we think that some sins are worse than others? the reason i see right now on why homosexuals are hated so much is because of what they are trying to accomplish. who fault is it that these things come to pass? we are a christian nation and yet when bills come up before congress what do we do about it? do you call your congressman or congresswoman and tell them what you think? most christians don't even care who they vote into office as long as they are a democrat or republican. so if people don't look for the best candidate to elect what makes you think they will care to put the effort into making their voice heard. if you don't make your voice heard then the government is going to try and satisfy the loudest voice which happens to be homosexuals at this time. then you hear from many christians about how this world is going downhill but if you ask those same christians what they did to try and avert this from happening i hear 'well i prayed' or 'whatever happens is God's will'. what a bunch of hypocrites these christians are. God says faith without works is dead. that means we have to do more than just pray.

the vote in this topic should read what have you as a christian done in order to voice your concerns in the homosexual topics
a. nothing
b. gossip
c. complain
d. both b & c
e. made your voice heard in washington
 

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So I am wondering, how many of those [pervs] as Robbie calls them have been healed? One can tell how good a doctor is by how many patent he has helped successfully.

To address your first question: Probably not many, and probably none of them are saved. They CAN be (and not by them quitting being a perv). The problem is that many of them are probably too caught up in themselves and serving the desires of the flesh to even THINK of Christ. The key is putting him first. Many of that lifestyle haven't done that. Is it because they don't want to or is it because they want to but don't think they'll be accepted because they've been told it's impossible.

To address the statement you made after that, I would like you to read Luke 4:22-29 and address these scripture in relation to your statement about how we can tell how good a doctor is by how many patients he's helped.
 

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To address your first question: Probably not many, and probably none of them are saved. They CAN be (and not by them quitting being a perv). The problem is that many of them are probably too caught up in themselves and serving the desires of the flesh to even THINK of Christ. The key is putting him first. Many of that lifestyle haven't done that. Is it because they don't want to or is it because they want to but don't think they'll be accepted because they've been told it's impossible.

Repentance must be granted by God......a person cannot repent on his or her own will and desire because it is contrary to the carnal mind.....it is not our nature. If it was, then one could boast that out of their own goodness they saw the need to repent.

To address the statement you made after that, I would like you to read Luke 4:22-29 and address these scripture in relation to your statement about how we can tell how good a doctor is by how many patients he's helped.

Was Elijah a healer? I don't think so....the scriptures in the Bible does not tell us that he was. Elijah was simply a prophet of God.
 

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Repentance must be granted by God......a person cannot repent on his or her own will and desire because it is contrary to the carnal mind.....it is not our nature. If it was, then one could boast that out of their own goodness they saw the need to repent.



Was Elijah a healer? I don't think so....the scriptures in the Bible does not tell us that he was. Elijah was simply a prophet of God.

Well, your wrong... Anyone can repent. Acceptance of the repentance is God's. The act of repenting should be discussed more on this board.... Repenting doesn't mean you give up sinning.

Was Elijah a healer? Yes he was. The fact that you brought up his name tells me that you know he was. If he wasn't a healer, why did Jesus even bring up his name? Why was Jesus even referring to this, if he wasn't? Jesus said he healed a woman, so yea... He was a healer. Elijah just didn't heal everyone. Yes, he was a prophet, but also a healer. He healed Naamem.

So if Elijah wasn't a healer, why did Jesus drop his name at this point? Why is he talking about physicians healing themselves and others and mentions his name? And why did Jesus say he did heal someone? Naamem the Syrian was healed, no? Is that not what the scripture says? So why do you say he wasn't a healer?
 
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