Belantos wrote:
“Are you suggesting that you actually understand these lawsand applying them im the proper way? Iam not going to answer each of them, only to show you by a few examples whereyou go wrong:”
Belantos, are you suggesting that YOU understand them? They are pretty clear cut! You don’t need to be a genius to understandthem! So ok, fine you want to pickthrough the list? Ok. Have at it.
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Deut 22:6-7(67 was a typo) - Did you actually read the passage in context?
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If you happen to come upon a bird’snest along the way, in any tree or on the ground, with youngones or eggs, and the mother sitting on the young or on the eggs, you shall nottake the mother with the young; 7 you shall certainly let the mother go, butthe young you may take for yourself, in order that it may be well with you andthat you may prolong your days.
It means you are not to destroy nature just because you are hungry. You are tolet the mother live, for she can lay more eggs and produce offspring. If youkill the mother, you kill that "lineage". Doesn't this correspond tothe idea of "harvesting"? What is so hard about it?<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;">
I agree it means not to destroynature. So if you take a chicken with young,you broke the law. You are guilty ofbreaking the Law.
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Deut 22:8- Do you understand what this means? Ancient times the housetops were flat andthey were also utilised for living. Building parapet around it made was vitalfor the sake of safety. What is so hard about this law?<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;">
Do you. Of course I understand ancient architecture. I know why this law was given. Now, can you tell me where God ever ammendedit and said, “Well, if your house has a slanted roof, then it doesn’tapply? NO you can’t. You can’t show me were God ever said this lawwas no longer in effect.
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Deut 22:9- The idea of crop rotation is very old. Before the introduction of artificialfertilisers you had to keep changing the seed you sew every time, else the soilbecame exhausted. You don't need to sow the same seed in your entire garden,you can sub-partition it. Do you sow more than one seed in the same area? Iwouldn't. This law is a must. What is hard about it?
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Yea, I understand crop rotation…. Sowhat? Now that we have pesticides andfertilizers, we don’t have to obey what God said? Like these pesticides and fertilizers arereally better than what God set up.
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Deut 22:11- Some of the laws don't make any sense by themselves, but they are givenbecause they carry spiritual meaning. The meaning is "Be straight!",Mean what you say and say what you mean. As Jesus said,
I fully agree that some laws have spirtualmeaning. Nay, I say they all do! But just because they have spiritual meaningdoesn’t give you the right NOT to follow them. This is the Law of God. If youare covered by grace, they don’t apply, but if you claim you have to live byone point of the law, you have to live by it all!
5. Work on the Sabbath
Exodus16:29
See, the LORD has given you the sabbath...
The Sabbath was given to man, not man to the Sabbath. It meant it exists forthe benefit of people. You work for six days and rest on the Sabbath. If youdon't, you quickly burn out.
Besides, the Sabbath was sanctified by God, and even He Himself observed it.According to Jewish commentaries on Genesis, Adam and Eve were spared onlybecause they sinned on the Sabbath, which God sanctified, and the Sabbath(symbolically) made intercession on their behalf.
What is so hard about it? Unless your employer demands it, but then how comeJews are able to observe it, but not you?
I let you work out the rest. If you don't understand them ask the Jews.
It was still in the law. I agree that we as gentiles are not bound by the Law. Welcome to my side of the issue! But if you are going to uphold one point ofthe Law, you are bound by every point of the law. Despite who God gave the law to, it’s still theLaw.
Belontos wrote:
“Repentance means you die to your life ofsin and live in the newness of life. If you continue in sin after yousupposedly "repented", your repentance was not real.”
How do you get by then? Have you repented of ALL of your sins? Oh, you have excused several sins off yourplate by saying well I don’t have a flat house, and I have fertilizer so I don’thave to rotate my crops…. I noticed you didn’t tackle the issue of crawfish,shrimp, polyester and such…. What areyou going to do about them? Claim youare not under the Law (to which I agree) but Homosexuality is? Seems pretty hypocritical to me.
You don’t and can’t repent from all of yoursins. You can go down the list in yourown mind of the sins you committed, but your list is not God’s list. But if you repent the Bible way, you canrepent of all your sins in an instant. Ihave an example of a man in the Bible who did that.
Belontos wrote:
“There are different severity of sins.There is sin unto death and there is sin that is not unto death. Homosexual actis not in the same category with lies.”
I actually agree with you, but there is nodifference between a sinner and a non sinner. A homosexual is not in the same category with liars? Ok, I agree. Liars are worse! I have versesthat say God hates liars (not just the lies the tell, but he hates those whotell lies) and that ALL liars have their place in the lake of fire.
Belontos wrote:
“No, you are not defending grace, but you are pretending it is a license tosin. Grace is not the same as the tolerance of sin.”
Oh, here we goagain! Tell me one sin I havedefended! List one sin I have said wasok! You can’t do it!
Hey Belontos, are you one of those people who think you don’t sin? If I say you do sin and you walk in sin,would you say, “Speak for yourself”? Iam not saying you do. It’s the Biblethat says you do, and thus, it’s God that says you are walking in sin and it’sGod that says you do sin. Are you sobold as to tell God, “Speak for yourself! I don’t sin?”
