Leviticus 25:44
New Living Translation (NLT)
[sup]44 [/sup]“However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you.
The Lord never changes, so slavery is allowed
Homosexuality
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Leviticus 25:44
New Living Translation (NLT)
[sup]44 [/sup]“However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you.
The Lord never changes, so slavery is allowed
Don't know what your feeling is but i am just an ordianary sinner that needs a saviour and is trying to make sense of an ansaved and unbeleiving world that he used to be part of and is ready to leave behind.
It seems to me that the question is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but wheter christians are able to or have the right to judge them. There is no one on this earth that has the wisdom or heart of God, and none knows His heart and thoughts. There is only one that can judge rightoulsy and that is Christ. We all judge form waht we see as good and evil, right and wron, sin or not but we do not know where people are at or waht God is doing with them. So next time you come on here condeming others , just think of what God may say to you.
Judge not lest ye be judged,
Do unto others as you would have them do unt you.
So many christains use these poor souls as a a base for there self rightousness, yet they are the worst of all.
(Luk 18:10) Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
(Luk 18:11) The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
(Luk 18:12) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
(Luk 18:13) And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
(Luk 18:14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Be careful you do not become like the pharisee.
In His Love
Judge not lest ye be judged,
Do unto others as you would have them do unt you.
So many christains use these poor souls as a a base for there self rightousness, yet they are the worst of all.
(Luk 18:10) Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
(Luk 18:11) The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
(Luk 18:12) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
(Luk 18:13) And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
(Luk 18:14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Be careful you do not become like the pharisee.
In His Love
Bible is very clear, God never changes:
Malachi 3:6 "I am the LORD, and I do not change...."
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
God bless.
Leviticus 24
[sup]16 [/sup]Anyone who blasphemes the Name of the Lord must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.
Leviticus 20:9
“Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense.
How many sons have you killed to honor what God told you to do, for he never changes?
Hey hold your horses there... you are doing the run and hide and sidestepping shuffle strategy and you failed to address the verses I posted and completely ignored them and didn't address them....so can you please contextualize and explain to me what you believe these verses mean, then we can address Lev 20:10, and Lev 24.
Malachi 3:6 "I am the LORD, and I do not change...."
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
God bless.
God has judged that Homosexuality is a sin so these 25 pages of opinions realy don't matter, as far as judging is concerned calling sin sin is not judging someone's eternal destiny since as you say one does not know what God is doing in them,what we now have are people questioning whether or not Homosexuality is even a sin...these"poor souls" are even more so because people are lying to them about what the bible teaches on the subject...most of the time just to keep the peace and themselves out hot P.C water
Sex has become the modern man's most cherished form of rebellion,we have no problem condemning other sins as sins as it should be and we have gone so far as to try and legislate things like charity and benevolence but like i heard one preacher say " we agree with God on everyting but our groove thing,then it's hands off God while i get my groove on"
The verses you quote are in regard to a certain type of behaviour,that of thinking you are better than someone else...self rightousness...nobody meets the standard but that does not eliminate the standard,which is what modern man is trying to do.
1 John 2:6 Those who claim to belong to him must live just as Jesus did.
So, now I ask everyone, did Jesus live a homosexual or bisexual lifestyle? Yes or No?
And have you all noticed that the pornography industry in the world today is huge and massive?
And I have a question for EVERYONE, so please if everyone can provide an answer, I would appreciate it.
Can a homosexual who is living a homosexuality lifestyle, inherit eternal life and be saved if they refuse to repent of homosexuality? Yes or No?
God bless.
So, now I ask everyone, did Jesus live a homosexual or bisexual lifestyle? Yes or No?
And have you all noticed that the pornography industry in the world today is huge and massive?
And I have a question for EVERYONE, so please if everyone can provide an answer, I would appreciate it.
Can a homosexual who is living a homosexuality lifestyle, inherit eternal life and be saved if they refuse to repent of homosexuality? Yes or No?
God bless.
The pharisees were also very apt at pointing out/identifying sin. If we feel like we have to point, wouldn't it be much more productive to point to the One who dealt with sin and forgives everyone, the One who doesn't condemn but rather gives life?
lets answer your first question first. Jesus lived neither lifestyle of a homosexual or heterosexual, or a bisexual. does that mean no one should have sex at all?
now your last question. now who are we to decide. but my answer to you is yes homsexuals can and will go to heaven. what a lot of people forget that all we need to do to get to heaven is accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. if we think that since we are not homosexuals that now we have a better chance getting into heaven is wrong because what you are saying is that because of what i just did by becoming a homosexual any longer has just become works and not salvation by faith. none of us are good enough to get to heaven on our own which is why Jesus died for our sins. nothing we do will get us to heaven so it matters not whether we are homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual.
let me ask you all a question. are you perfect in every area yet? if not you are living in sin just like a homosexual. God says all sin is the same to him. who put murder at the top of the list and being one of the worst crimes? it was not God. it was man who made murder such a evil thing. which is worse a murder or a homosexual? why?
just trying to open eyes. God bless you all
Who are we to decide ? we are not deciding anything the whole concept of judging is flattering ourselves,if what you say is true then 99.9% of the Bible is completely uneccesary,no need for instructions on how to live or what sin is....John 3,16 or a silimar verse is all that is needed...no need for warnings,no need for teaching,preaching...it's all just alot of excess baggage and an indulgent exercise for the verbose neurotic if we can live as we please and go to heaven anyway with no change in the life of an individual who claims to have been converted,no need for the holy spirit either....no need for anything,just have a party here and go to the big party in the sky when you die.
I don't think man need to 'make murder into such an evil thing'. The first murder was so grievous the God himself said the ground cried out with it. But you are right in that all sin has the same weight...they are all treasonous act against God. But the big difference that I think you're missing is this: an unrepentant murderer is still very much alive in his sin...he is not saved and will not go to heaven. Likewise, a homosexual who is living an unrepentant lifestyle is not saved, and will not go to heaven. Many people today say they are believers, but still go ahead in living with someone of the same sex. This is an act that is spitting on Christ's sacrifice. Just think, the parallels are this: a man committing adultery, says he's saved, but still cheats on his wife. A thief who is 'saved' but still takes things that are not his. A murderer that still kills or perhaps a young couple living together out of wedlock who become saved, but still sleep together before they get married. All behaviours are ones the Bible forbids. Anyone who is truly regenerated cannot continue on in such behaviours without saying that Jesus' sacrifice wasn't all that important. It doesn't mean that believers are perfect, we slip and stumble, but we do not live an out and out life of rebellion.
Yes the main problem is rebellion against God and that is pride. Indeed its cheeky for humans to think God is wrong, it is the created telling the creator He got it wrong.
Now there are basic creation principles afirmed throughout the Bible and in both the OT law and the teaching of Christ through the new covenant of grace. For example, one of these is to love ones neighbour (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 5:43, Romans 13:9) Another is that God created man and woman to be in union (Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Ephesians 5)
And another is that same sex relations are error (Leviticus 18:22, 1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1)
The people who do not know this or refuse to accept that same sex relations are wrong however, use legalism to try and justify licence. So they ask about whether the OT law should be followed, or cite some different scripture out of context, such as do not judge which they know believers will affirm.
So, do not judge lest you be judged by the measure, doesnt mean dont say same sex relations are wrong, it means one can tell others same sex relations are wrong, one will be judged to have spoken the truth. It also results in (Matthew 7) both the speck and the log being removed from each believers eyes. Galatians 6 says brothers to restore each other from sin.
Al these tactics are to divert attention from the issue in question, no-one is saying obey all the OT law, and no-one is saying do not judge, what some are saying is they dont believe God's word when it comes to same sex relations and they dont want to be challenged on it.
Now there are basic creation principles afirmed throughout the Bible and in both the OT law and the teaching of Christ through the new covenant of grace. For example, one of these is to love ones neighbour (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 5:43, Romans 13:9) Another is that God created man and woman to be in union (Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Ephesians 5)
And another is that same sex relations are error (Leviticus 18:22, 1 Cor 6-7, Romans 1)
The people who do not know this or refuse to accept that same sex relations are wrong however, use legalism to try and justify licence. So they ask about whether the OT law should be followed, or cite some different scripture out of context, such as do not judge which they know believers will affirm.
So, do not judge lest you be judged by the measure, doesnt mean dont say same sex relations are wrong, it means one can tell others same sex relations are wrong, one will be judged to have spoken the truth. It also results in (Matthew 7) both the speck and the log being removed from each believers eyes. Galatians 6 says brothers to restore each other from sin.
Al these tactics are to divert attention from the issue in question, no-one is saying obey all the OT law, and no-one is saying do not judge, what some are saying is they dont believe God's word when it comes to same sex relations and they dont want to be challenged on it.
Regarding the OT law, you can say a lot of things about it but one thing I believe is clear: The MORAL LAW has never passed away. Adultery is still adultery; thievery is still thievery; murder is still murder, and gay sex is still a sin. And so on.
Spiritforce is correct.
It is also still true that God loves the murderer, the thief, the adulterer, the rapist, the sexual deviant (including heterosexual deviant), the abuser, etc.
He died on the cross so that they can turn to him, be washed clean, and be saved.
He understands that there are certain areas of struggle that require His assistance to leave it behind and will minister through the Holy Spirit to help heal.
It is also still true that God loves the murderer, the thief, the adulterer, the rapist, the sexual deviant (including heterosexual deviant), the abuser, etc.
He died on the cross so that they can turn to him, be washed clean, and be saved.
He understands that there are certain areas of struggle that require His assistance to leave it behind and will minister through the Holy Spirit to help heal.
Amen Foreigner! I think this is where so much stumbling comes in the Church...in regards to how we 'treat' or act towards homosexuals. Yes, as Christians we affirm it is sinful behaviour....but so is most behaviour from everyone! It's our job to extend that hand of Christ to others, so that they know that they are loved by Him and by us, and that all we want for them is to be free from their sin. And that's just it...freedom and joy comes through obeying God and His commands. Those who 'claim' God but still sin are not only sinning, they are short changing themselves...trying to live still in chains.
Yes Homosexuality IS a sin. God made adam for eve, woman and man come together as companions. Everyone of us has another half, our other half is someone of a different gender, but as Christians, we should Not Pick on Homosexuals, but pray for them instead.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Wow.....how did we let this topic slip to page two?
As many of you are aware, I've often wondered why Christians single out homosexuality for condemnation, while tolerating other forms of sin.
My latest idea is that some Christians are secretly envious of homosexuals - crazy, huh? Hear me out. Conviction related to our faith is a coveted attribute within many Christian circles; I cannot think of any other group that is more convinced than homosexuals are about being gay from birth and exercising their freedom to live openly. So, because the homosexual is convinced of the wrong idea......it has to be reinterpreted as arrogance rather than conviction. However, the very fact that someone can be so convince about the wrong things can be perceived as a potent threat. How can they be so convinced about being gay? Am I just as convinced about the truth of the gospel?
I think this is why gay marriage is perceived as a threat - if the same sex can be married......that means anything and everything can be married, which means marriage must not exist, at all!! What if people started marrying animals or what if single people wanted to marry themselves!
I think I am on to something here!
One side sees the other as intolerant
The other side sees the opposition's conviction as arrogance.
As many of you are aware, I've often wondered why Christians single out homosexuality for condemnation, while tolerating other forms of sin.
My latest idea is that some Christians are secretly envious of homosexuals - crazy, huh? Hear me out. Conviction related to our faith is a coveted attribute within many Christian circles; I cannot think of any other group that is more convinced than homosexuals are about being gay from birth and exercising their freedom to live openly. So, because the homosexual is convinced of the wrong idea......it has to be reinterpreted as arrogance rather than conviction. However, the very fact that someone can be so convince about the wrong things can be perceived as a potent threat. How can they be so convinced about being gay? Am I just as convinced about the truth of the gospel?
I think this is why gay marriage is perceived as a threat - if the same sex can be married......that means anything and everything can be married, which means marriage must not exist, at all!! What if people started marrying animals or what if single people wanted to marry themselves!
I think I am on to something here!
One side sees the other as intolerant
The other side sees the opposition's conviction as arrogance.
Christians single out homosexuality ? no, Homosexuals single themselves out for recognition and to silence all opposition to their lifestyle,they pick fights to draw attention to themselves and to gain access to organizations and institutions that aoppose them and any Christian who says that it is a sin...this is typical liberal nonsense intended to marginalize any opposition.
Christians,true Christians that is envious of Homosexuals....yes that is crazy,glad you admit it.
Sexuality is modern man's holy grail and his most cherished form of rebellion against God.... unrepentant fornicators,adulterers and Homosexuals all have the same destiny.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
haha - you are proving my point! Lol I could not even finish editing my idea before you jumped all over it. I've written many other posts in the last 12 hours - yet you chose this one? Revealing, indeed.
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