How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

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God wants to be in relationship with us. For that we need to go to Him.

So true, and so wonderful!

John 1:12-13 KJV
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Reborn, reconciled, we are His family, and only He gives that to us. Very wonderful indeed!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The new birth is Christ in a person...to put on Christ we have to go where He is.

The disciples asked Him....Master, where do you live? Jesus responded "Come and see"

Jesus comes to us. He knocks on the door asking us to come in.

You can;t have access to God UNTIL your sin debt is paid. If you went to him you would die where you stood

for someone who talks about the OT. You failed to grasp the temple sacrifice and day of atonement completely

The reason the High priest could not enter the holy place. was because of sin. It had to be cleaned. that's what the lambs and goats did..The comman man had no access to God. Only the high priest who made atonement for the sin of the people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes they do. But God visiting us with a gift of initial grace is not the same as going to where He is to get the full measure. God wants to be in relationship with us. For that we need to go to Him. ALL who are of faith recognize that.

grace is grace.

There is no partial or initial grace.

Your sounding like a catholic here

 

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Only if it stands against the power of God that is in God.

Not sure what you mean here.

To reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive to God is to acknowledge the power of God, and to believe His promises. To believe His promises is to submit ourselves to His power.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes they do. But God visiting us with a gift of initial grace is not the same as going to where He is to get the full measure. God wants to be in relationship with us. For that we need to go to Him. ALL who are of faith recognize that.

One does not get a part of the Holy Spirit when they are born again. God is not parts. One either has all of the Holy Spirit in them or none of the Holy Spirit in them. There is no in-between in the N.T.

1- one can quench the Holy Spirit
2- one can grieve the Holy Spirit

Neither of those conditions has an effect on the Spirit dwelling in us, but effects our relationship with God. We are to walk in the spirit and be filled with the spirit which are synonymous. There are commands we obey to walk and be filled with the spirit. Its denying self and letting God rule our hearts, minds, souls and strength. Loving God with all of our hearts, minds, souls and strength results in being filled and walking in the spirit and not in the flesh. There is no mystery here, its simple obedience to the commands of Jesus and the Apostles. Less of me and more of Him or none of me and All of Him !

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

grace is grace.

There is no partial or initial grace.

Your sounding like a catholic here

Yes its all of grace through faith. When we believe and trust in Christ and not ourselves then we are filled and walking in the spirit.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

to put on Christ we have to go where He is.

True.

“If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.” (John 12:26)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You can;t have access to God UNTIL your sin debt is paid.

Until your sinless?

Or do you think God is mocked by paying our new sin debts every day?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Reborn, reconciled, we are His family, and only He gives that to us. Very wonderful indeed!

Amen!

“if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:23)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

grace is grace.

There is no partial or initial grace.

“But He gives more grace. Therefore He says, God resists the proud, but He gives grace to the humble.” (James 4:6)

If you receive more of something, didn’t you initially get some of it?

 

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“But He gives more grace. Therefore He says, God resists the proud, but He gives grace to the humble.” (James 4:6)

If you receive more of something, didn’t you initially get some of it?

Reminds me of,

Romans 5:20-21 KJV
20) Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Much love!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound

Yes, when the law entered…

Christ enters now.

And He says:

“…Sin no more lest grace abounds a worse thing come to you.” (John 5:14)

 

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Yes, when the law entered…

Christ enters now.

And He says:

“…Sin no more lest grace abounds a worse thing come to you.” (John 5:14)

Or in this context,

Romans 6:1-3 KJV
1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

For the one who is dead is justified away from sin.

The one under the Law is warned against the curse of the Law. The one in Christ is admonished to walk in the liberty of Christ.

Reckoning that we are indeed dead to sin - actually dead to sin - is to set our minds in agreement with truth, and no longer resist the truth, but embrace it, and walk in it. Embrace Jesus, and walk in Him.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

as far as James 4 goes.

The word more is "Megas"

the word means Great, Large, full

in other words. God gives a mega amount of grace, he resists the proud. but this mega grace super abundant grace) he gives to the poor

It is not more gace than before or after.

If the word seems to contradict go to the greek. it will nto let you down.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

For the one who is dead is justified away from sin.

Meaning what?

His sins no longer count against him tomorrow?

 

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Meaning what?

His sins no longer count against him tomorrow?

The KJV translates that verse as "the one who is dead is freed from sin." I agree with that translation in essence, that this is what God is telling us. This word is normally translated justified, from dikaioo, meaning, to render righteous.

The one who is dead has been rendered righteous which is freedom from sin.

We are told to account this to be true, and we are admonished to therefore not let sin rule in our bodies.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Hello to all. I think it important to understand the context of everything we read about in the bible. It's too easy to misunderstand and jump to false conclusions based on an unbalanced and unlearned assumption, unless we look as deeply as possible into how it fits into the ways of God.

On this thread, I would like to look at how are are to reckon ourselves to be dead to sin....using the OT, and NT...and hopefully with some testimonials.

Any post that is not applicable to the subject matter I will respond with a "Stay on Topic" comment.

Now in Romans 6:11 we read...

" Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Is this a kind of magic formula that one must accept as being life-giving in itself? As in...fake it till you make it?

I think the last thing that God wants is for people to accept the bible anecdotally....religiously.... There is no need or desire for that.

We need to go to the OT to see where the pattern of God's ways based on reckoning can be consulted for greater clarity in the present circumstance. With the next verse we see a call to spiritual militancy.

Joel 3:10 "Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

James continues with this theme...

James 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

V. 10 is very telling and apropos for we who live in the rich Western countries. Especially seeing that sound doctrine is seen by many as being so hostile (to the flesh).


We see with this, the "make the way straight in the desert for our God" from Is. 40.....filling in the valleys and making the mountains low. I would say that the major problem we have is the exaltation of the flesh rather than the rejoicing at being made low. It is the council of James in reverse for many of us.

So we, in our estimation, need to see our default setting as considering sin, and the lifestyle associated with it, as being dead to us. Does that mean we can claim to be without sin by a mere reckoning? We can only reckon with our mind. Our reckoning helps to line up our way of thinking with the direction we are hoping to go in. Only God can rescue us from the power of the flesh.

We can indeed ALWAYS triumph over the flesh..but that takes the power of the cross and walking in the Spirit. Reckoning ourselves to be dead to sin is akin to carrying our own cross...not being crucified on the cross of Christ. That is at a whole other level and at a depth that very few will be able to comprehend let alone experience.

The term "reckon" is better understood as "believe" or "take to heart."

It is in this way that Jesus often asked, "Do you believe this?" or "Do you believe that I am able to do this?"

The term then can also be looked at as meaning "fully committed", as if leaping from death to life...from which no one would or could go back to. Meaning that we could no more pass back to death from life, than we could return to our mother's womb to be reborn. Thus, it is only those not fully committed who go back...as if stillborn. Even so, God is willing and able to save.

 

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as far as James 4 goes.

The word more is "Megas"

the word means Great, Large, full

in other words. God gives a mega amount of grace, he resists the proud. but this mega grace super abundant grace) he gives to the poor

It is not more gace than before or after.

If the word seems to contradict go to the greek. it will nto let you down.

Yes, of course! This is saying He gives "huge grace" . . . not "additional grace". Good point!

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

One does not get a part of the Holy Spirit when they are born again.

Are you saying that sanctification is NOT progressive? That a person is fully sanctified in an experience of grace?

God is not parts. One either has all of the Holy Spirit in them or none of the Holy Spirit in them. There is no in-between in the N.T.

You are confusing things without ANY scriptural back-up. And you are contradicting yourself here to make a point that you vehemently deny elsewhere. Proof that you are flying by the seat of your pants here.

There is not such thing as ALL of the Holy Spirit for a person. There is just if the Holy Spirit has ALL of you or not. If that is the case then you are 100% holy as God is holy.

1- one can quench the Holy Spirit
2- one can grieve the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is not limited to one person. You can grieve the Spirit in another person.

News Flash: The Holy Spirit is not about you.

Neither of those conditions has an effect on the Spirit dwelling in us, but effects our relationship with God. We are to walk in the spirit and be filled with the spirit which are synonymous. There are commands we obey to walk and be filled with the spirit. Its denying self and letting God rule our hearts, minds, souls and strength. Loving God with all of our hearts, minds, souls and strength results in being filled and walking in the spirit and not in the flesh. There is no mystery here, its simple obedience to the commands of Jesus and the Apostles. Less of me and more of Him or none of me and All of Him !

hope this helps !!!

You are out of your depth here so much...I don't know where to begin. A LOT of assumptions here.

 

[Episkopos]

grace is grace.

There is no partial or initial grace.

Your sounding like a catholic here

Thank you! Reformers think that nobody before the 1500's knew anything about following Christ. That's pretty arrogant...and only proves that Protestantism is a distortion of the truth...a newfangled series of errors based on the premise that people are not responsible for sin because of grace. That is the Great Delusion championed by the middle class.

The earnest of the Spirit--- aravon----is indeed a downpayment until the full measure is paid...according to certain conditions. We have gone over this at least a dozen times already. I leave it to those who haven't a good grasp of the NT to go over those references.
With all these threads it seems like each time we have to go back over the basics...over and over...because nothing is ever retained. There is a difficulty in learning anything beyond an exclusive claim that one is saved...for claiming one is saved., No understanding beyond the dogmatic ideology. And then people will say that knowledge is idolatry etc...just to cover up a lack of wisdom, knowledge and understanding.


A reference to 2 Cor. 1:22

ἀῤῥαβών
arrhabōn
ar-hrab-ohn'
Of Hebrew origin [H6162]; a pledge, that is, part of the purchase money or property given in advance as security for the rest: - earnest.