How Is a Pastor's Salary Determined ?

[Prentis]

Paul did not have to relearn the Scripture he had studied for years. He didn't need to relearn Hebrew or Greek. He continued to use all of that knowledge. He just knew his relationship with Christ was worth much more.

p, how many churches have you visited in the past, how many pastors have you met and talked with in person? Or have you just heard a few TV preachers and assume that church pastors are like them? Do you think you could run a church p, and for how long? Do you think anyone would attend your church, p? If a church of say 100 to 200 members had an opening for a pastor would they hire you or someone with a seminary education?

He held scriptures in his own understanding, and had to relearn the whole truth that he thought he had. And maybe you missed the part where he said he counted all those things as dung that he might attain Christ! ;)

I have no desire to be hireling... I am not seeking to work for God to make a living, but to live for God.

No man should run a church. Churchianity hires professionals... God goes to the weak things of this world, that he might get glory. The very fact you think of 'a man running a church' reveals a lack of understanding in what the church is. The church is not a 'thing' that you do or run. The church are people who have become fitted to be containers of the Spirit of God, and out of them flows rivers of living water.

By this standard, no 'church' of churchianity is the church of Christ. Or at least not alive.

Christianity is not a profession, and it is not a religion either, which men attend, it is a life for the sake of which men leave everything behind. Unless a man does this, he cannot be a disciple of Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

I'll take 'false dichotomy' for 500.00!

In which realm does the intellectual apply his ideas....in the flesh or in the Spirit?

Paul did not have to relearn the Scripture he had studied for years. He didn't need to relearn Hebrew or Greek. He continued to use all of that knowledge. He just knew his relationship with Christ was worth much more.

p, how many churches have you visited in the past, how many pastors have you met and talked with in person? Or have you just heard a few TV preachers and assume that church pastors are like them? Do you think you could run a church p, and for how long? Do you think anyone would attend your church, p? If a church of say 100 to 200 members had an opening for a pastor would they hire you or someone with a seminary education?

Do you have friends or do you hire professional friends for special occasions?

Are we to have wives or hire professional escorts for special occasions?

Do we have older brothers in Christ or do we hire professional religious people for special occasions?

 

[tomwebster]

He held scriptures in his own understanding, and had to relearn the whole truth that he thought he had. And maybe you missed the part where he said he counted all those things as dung that he might attain Christ!

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You must have missed reading this line of my post. "He continued to use all of that knowledge. He just knew his relationship with Christ was worth much more."


P, I think I remember you saying you attended a church sometime in the past; did that church have a pastor? You believe what you want for now, I will just chalk your ignorance up to your youth.

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Do we have older brothers in Christ or do we hire professional religious people for special occasions?

I have a brother in Christ that is a licensed clergy and can officiate special occasions. Fact is that is what I do, I officiate at weddings.

 

[Episkopos]

You must have missed reading this line of my post. "He continued to use all of that knowledge. He just knew his relationship with Christ was worth much more."


P, I think I remember you saying you attended a church sometime in the past; did that church have a pastor? You believe what you want for now, I will just chalk your ignorance up to your youth.




I have a brother in Christ that is a licensed clergy and can officiate special occasions. Fact is that is what I do, I officiate at weddings.

Do you lay on hands to receive the Spirit? Or do you function in a worldly capacity at social functions...are they the same in your view?

 

[tomwebster]

Do you lay on hands to receive the Spirit? Or do you function in a worldly capacity at social functions...are they the same in your view?

I officiate at Christian weddings. You know what that is don't you.

 

[jiggyfly]

Many people wonder how Preacher's are paid...what are your thoughts ?

I wonder why many preachers are paid, they preach to their congregation who work 40 hrs plus about giving of time, volunteering and donating yet many pastors do not actually put in 40 hrs at the "church" few work outside jobs. Most are just hirelings, stop paying them and see how long they stay.

 

[Prentis]

You must have missed reading this line of my post. "He continued to use all of that knowledge. He just knew his relationship with Christ was worth much more."

Your opinion versus his own word claiming to count it dung! Not very convincing...

Using a capacity to read has nothing to do with using an understanding taught religiously... Like Paul had.... Like the institution teaches... Paul's conversion could be likened to the would-be conversion of a hardline zealous baptist who comes to see the LIFE that is in Christ.

P, I think I remember you saying you attended a church sometime in the past; did that church have a pastor? You believe what you want for now, I will just chalk your ignorance up to your youth.

I don't 'attend a church'. Again, I guess you forgot the church is neither a building nor an organization, but a people shaped to contain Christ and have his life flow through them... Which is not what you see in the 'church' today. By pastor, you mean a master of ceremony, who directs a religious ceremony in which men come to participate and leave. But this has nothing to do with being containers of the life of Christ, and being a church, a body, exhorting each other DAILY, and having everyone function in their spiritual gifting.

You can 'chalk my ignorance up to my youth', but know that it impresses or deters me in no way. I'll just chalk your delusion to your religious training. ;)

 

[biggandyy]

If you don't attend a church then you have no skin in this game, and your opinions can be summarily dismissed with a wave of a hand (or paw).

 

[Episkopos]

If you don't attend a church then you have no skin in this game, and your opinions can be summarily dismissed with a wave of a hand (or paw).

By church attendance do you mean to a building with a spire and a cross on top, with pews and an altar with another cross on the wall? Do you mean fellowshipping with the back of somebody's head in front of you?

Wherever two or more crosses are depicted,plus a bell, there I am in that building????

 

[biggandyy]

By church attendance do you mean to a building with a spire and a cross on top, with pews and an altar with another cross on the wall? Do you mean fellowshipping with the back of somebody's head in front of you?

Wherever two or more crosses are depicted,plus a bell, there I am in that building????

 

[Episkopos]

OK I thought so! ;)

 

[Prentis]

If you don't attend a church then you have no skin in this game, and your opinions can be summarily dismissed with a wave of a hand (or paw).

The church of Christ cannot be 'attended'.

I am part of a body of believers. But this has nothing to do with organizing something on sunday mornings... It has to do with leaving everything and to go with the brethren and seek God.

I guess the Pharisees had many reasons not to consider what Jesus said in his day:

• He did works on the Sabbath
• He did not study at the feet of another Rabbi
• He didn't agree with their system, the temple money changing...

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. (Eccl. 1:9)

;)

 

[biggandyy]

Again, you have no skin in this game since the topic is about paying a pastor of a church. So quit it with your false piety and shut your yawn-hole.

In love, of course.

 

[Prentis]

Again, you have no skin in this game since the topic is about paying a pastor of a church. So quit it with your false piety and shut your yawn-hole.

In love, of course.

Right, let's not go to the deeper more meaningful issues... Your sleep and comfort are more important than this! ;)

In love, of course.

 

[Angelina]

Gentlemen...please stick to the topic... :) Thank you.

Shalom!