How is Jesus Firstborn from the dead?

[Ziggy]

Sounds good to me.

We are all first made and born perfectly by Christ, whether angel or man, but when we first sinned, as all men do, though not Jesus nor all angels, we were found with iniquity and died spiritual to God.

Jesus is the one and only man to know God after being firstborn pure into the world with mortal flesh.

And so, He was the firstborn who knew and chose God and sinned not from His youth.

I would go a step further and say:
Jesus was the first soul brought into the world without the curse of man's doubt in his DNA.
Adam was "unfaithful" and this "unfaithfulness" or "doubt" was brought into the lineage of humanity.
Jesus was the firstborn who was complete in faithfulness. He had no doubt who he was, where he came from and what he was sent to do.
The rest of the world was "oh ye of little faith", or faithless altogether.

From the day that Jesus died upon the cross, all of humanities original sins were washed away by his own blood.
What we have today is the residue of man's doubts and unfaithfulness placed upon the new generations.
As if we are the scapegoats and sacrifices for what was the original sin.

During the early days of the first church, all people were still living in original sin.
It wouldn't be until that generstion had passed that a new world without original sin would begin.
So when Paul or John is saying that if you say you have no sin, they are speaking to a generation that is passing away.
We no longer require blood sacrifices to remove our sins. And yet the world is still requiring us to believe that we have inherited sin.
And yet Jesus' own death removed that inherited sin which caused death and instead gave us inherited life.

Sin is doubting, sin is faithlessness. And this sin leads to death which is a disconnect with God.
Jesus came to restore faith and to reconnect us to God.

Jesus is the first, born from a world full of doubters and people filled with faithlessness inherited the day Adam and Eve doubted God.
Even Abraham himself was born with inherited sin from his ancestors.
But Abraham chose to believe God and live by faith.
And even their children Ishmael and Issac had this inherited sin, not because Abraham doubted, but because Sarah did.
Why did you laugh Sarah?

So God found a vessel that believed God and had faith in God and her name was Mary.
This inherited doubt and faithlessness would not pass from her or from any man to the new world that was being created without sin.
I do not believe that anyone from beginning in the generations after Jesus' death, was ever born again with inherited sin.
But that doesn't mean that doubt and faithlessness don't exist. We know it does, we see it everyday.
But this is what has changed. We don't have to remain under this curse as an inheritence we can't shake off.
We didn't inherit it in the first place and yet we still feel it necessary to carry it's burden.

Why is that?
Bacause a lot of people make a lot of money preaching that you are still a slave and need to be set free.
And if you follow them and give them money, they will show you the way to salvation.

Friends, we are already free.
Jesus did that the day he gave his life for us.

Now, stop doubting. Believe and ye shall receive.
The rest of humanities sins are of our own making.
We choose to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery...
But these are not inherited sins. These are attributes of our character. The world has taught us these things.
But unlike inherited sin which we could not remove, these sins are things that we can change ourselves.

And Jesus is the example God gave us to walk by.

just rambling...
Hugs

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

More pagan cult worship around the greatest of all idolized mortal heroes called 'Jesus', even greater than the defied Herakles.



And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

People don't want to acknowledge the truth of their own immortal souls, if we are making ourselves spiritually corrupt by sinning, because we want an 'out' in case we are wrong and are not going to be resurrected with the just, while sinning unto the end of this life.

I used to like to think that too, until I started taking God at His word and the Scriptures seriously.

The following teaching is not for you. I just love teaching the truth when I get the chance.

The Word was God, and the body prepared for the word was mortal, as is all of man's flesh, beginning with Adam.

Every soul of man, as with every angel, is created spiritually immortal. It is the mortal body of the saint, that becomes resurrected unto immortality. The rest stand dead before God at the judgment.

You show me in the scriptures where humans have immortal souls because I have found nowhere where God inspired any of his servants to write down anywhere in the scriptures that humans have immortal souls.

So many people have no faith that the True God YHWH can destroy death, and hades, which is the place of the dead, Satan and his demons out of existence when they are thrown into the lake of fire. Both, death and Hades will be destroyed out of existence and just as they are destroyed out of existence when thrown into the lake of fire, so will Satan and his demons and all those that belong to Satan including all those of mankind who followed him, they all will be destroyed out of existence. What God has brought into existence he can destroyed out of existence. God will not allow evil to exist forever. God will destroy Death, Hades, Satan the demons and all those who belongs to Satan out of existence. Noone or nothing that is evil will exist forever

 

[quietthinker]

How is Jesus Firstborn from the dead?
If we say Jesus died for our sins the conclusion would be he died the second death mentioned in Revelation which as I see it is the real deal final death.

The first death is that experienced by all who die in this age......the death that scripture calls 'sleep'

If we say Jesus died because of our sin, ie because we killed him, it throws a different picture on the matter...... well, hmmm, I'm still thinking through it.

 

[Keiw]

So what happened to Enoch?

God simply took him home to bodily die prematurely: His soul was no more on earth, and they just found his dead body without any apparent reason for it?

This was when men lived bodily for hundreds and hundreds of years.

It makes perfect sense, that now you bring it up, No flesh and blood can see nor stand in sight of God, nor inherit His kingdom.

It makes no sense at all that their mortal bodies have been standing in front of God all this time, otherwise, in Rev 4-5, there would certainly ahve been some mention of it!

I have already been concluding the two witnesses are not Elijah and Enoch, nor any other man as Moses back on earth ministering again.

So thanks much.

Aren't you also the one that showed me how we are not born with sin nature? If so, keep it coming.

I love being corrected for the better. It makes all Scripture fall into proper place much more nicely.

Yes Enochs life was ended. He went to where all go-Sheol( Hebrew)=the grave.= Hades( Greek) = the grave.
Mortals will enter Gods kingdom on earth and reside forever upon it-Psalm 37:29--Prov 2:21-22-Matt 24:22-Matt 5:5

 

[Keiw]

Destruction does not mean death.

They will be eternally destroyed, along with Hades and death and all who follow them. God set before all-LIFE or DEATH( Deut 30:19) Eternal suffering is symbolic not literal. Gods justice makes it so.

 

[Taken]

They will be eternally destroyed, along with Hades and death and all who follow them. God set before all-LIFE or DEATH( Deut 30:19) Eternal suffering is symbolic not literal. Gods justice makes it so.

Eternal is not symbolic. Scripture is all true. Accept it or not.
Angels are spirits, they never die.
Fallen Angels, SHALL suffer eternally.
ManKINDS, “souls”? Seems some might suffer eternally.

Rev 14:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[robert derrick]

You fail to see, YHWH(Jehovah) created all other things through the being he sent to earth. That being is his master worker who speaks at proverbs 8.

Prov 8 is Jesus the man on earth, With Christ prophecying in Scripture of Himself coming to earth, even as He was prophecied as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth: He did not speak of God possessing Him, until He was a man, even as He was not slain as the Lamb of God, until the end of His days on earth.

All those in Christ of His flesh and of His bones can now speak of Proverbs 8 for themselves: it's the renewing of the spirit of the mind to have the full mind of Christ as He did on earth.

The Word was God, not a created being made for creating beings, if that is what you are saying, and so the wisdom of God to rightly divide all Scripture is know the simple truth first, and so be able to first eliminate the impossible first.

Jesus Christ is the true God and eternal life, so wisdom personified on earth in Prov 8, must the man Jesus on earth.

Simple.

False dcotrine leads people to err in prophecy of Scripture, as well as shut themselves out to what the beginning of wisdom in Scripture has to offer them that believe and do the truth.

As Jesus' flesh and bones on earth, Prov 8 pertains to us, and so we ought read and know and do it that way ourselves on earth, as He did in the days of His own flesh and bones.

 

[Keiw]

Eternal is not symbolic. Scripture is all true. Accept it or not.
Angels are spirits, they never die.
Fallen Angels, SHALL suffer eternally.
ManKINDS, “souls”? Seems some might suffer eternally.

Rev 14:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Symbolic is eternal suffering--Jesus was 100% clear--Those walking the broad and spacious path to destruction.
As well God is a God of justice= perfect balance on his justice scales as he showed all= an eye for an eye. Thus for 70-100 years of a life of unrepented sin God could not condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of suffering. Your teachers do not know God. He is LOVE, merciful, not the sadist they teach him as. Reality= Deuteronomy 30:10--God set before all-LIFE or Death, both will be eternal.

 

[Keiw]

Prov 8 is Jesus the man on earth, With Christ prophecying in Scripture of Himself coming to earth, even as He was prophecied as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth: He did not speak of God possessing Him, until He was a man, even as He was not slain as the Lamb of God, until the end of His days on earth.

All those in Christ of His flesh and of His bones can now speak of Proverbs 8 for themselves: it's the renewing of the spirit of the mind to have the full mind of Christ as He did on earth.

The Word was God, not a created being made for creating beings, if that is what you are saying, and so the wisdom of God to rightly divide all Scripture is know the simple truth first, and so be able to first eliminate the impossible first.

Jesus Christ is the true God and eternal life, so wisdom personified on earth in Prov 8, must the man Jesus on earth.

Simple.

False dcotrine leads people to err in prophecy of Scripture, as well as shut themselves out to what the beginning of wisdom in Scripture has to offer them that believe and do the truth.

As Jesus' flesh and bones on earth, Prov 8 pertains to us, and so we ought read and know and do it that way ourselves on earth, as He did in the days of His own flesh and bones.

Thats strange when i read it its all about the creation process that occurred. Do you understand english?

 

[Taken]

Symbolic is eternal suffering--

Spiritual spirits are handiwork’s of God.
Life IN a soul, is the handiworks’ of God.
All souls, belong to God.
The Life IN all souls, belongs to God.

If God Chooses to KEEP an everlasting spirit ALIVE, with or without Him....Gods prerogative .

If God Chooses to KEEP a soul ALIVE forever, with or without Him...
God Prerogative.

An ETERNAL LIVING THING...spirit or soul...WITHOUT God WITH THEM...
WILL be excepted FROM all of Gods goodness, beauty, comfort, peace, rest, enjoyment.....THAT is ETERNAL torments!
(And to boot, they will be FULLY AWARE, of the goodness, beauty, comfort, peace, rest, enjoyment...they ONCE HAD, and chose to throw is all away, because of their own GREED.)

Your teachers do not know God.

Again, your opinions are MOOT. My Teacher IS God.

He is LOVE, merciful, not the sadist they teach him as. Reality= Deuteronomy 30:10--God set before all-LIFE or Death, both will be eternal.

So? Who has said God is not Love, or merciful?
What is this “sadist teaching”, you are accusing without identifying?

 

[Keiw]

Spiritual spirits are handiwork’s of God.
Life IN a soul, is the handiworks’ of God.
All souls, belong to God.
The Life IN all souls, belongs to God.

If God Chooses to KEEP an everlasting spirit ALIVE, with or without Him....Gods prerogative .

If God Chooses to KEEP a soul ALIVE forever, with or without Him...
God Prerogative.

An ETERNAL LIVING THING...spirit or soul...WITHOUT God WITH THEM...
WILL be excepted FROM all of Gods goodness, beauty, comfort, peace, rest, enjoyment.....THAT is ETERNAL torments!
(And to boot, they will be FULLY AWARE, of the goodness, beauty, comfort, peace, rest, enjoyment...they ONCE HAD, and chose to throw is all away, because of their own GREED.)




Again, your opinions are MOOT. My Teacher IS God.



So? Who has said God is not Love, or merciful?
What is this “sadist teaching”, you are accusing without identifying?

Let me introduce you to the true God--Deuteronomy 32:4--ALL his ways are justice, there is no injustice with him.
So fact--for 70-100 years of unrepented sinful existence, Gods justice( an eye for an eye) could NOT condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of punishment. Only blind guides that do not have God nor know him teach a sadistic literal suffering about him. Run from them.

 

[Taken]

Let me introduce you to the true God--.

Because?

 

[mailmandan]

You and your sinful doctrine are still dead.

Those sinning today are not born of God today.

And no. You are not total nonsense. Just totally dead. Useless too.

Talk about judgmental, mean spirited and self righteous!

Suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness remains your achilles heel. (1 John 1:8-10)