What's the reason Jesus is 'immortal' and men 'mortals' ?

[Fred J]

First of all, this has nothing to do with flesh and blood the human body, where like Jesus and all men had. But, rather the condition of how one's body is kept in one's lifetime that result to 'mortal' or 'immortal'.

In the beginning GOD created every thing on earth including man, and declared them all as. 'very good', for man was 'immortal'.

Why all flesh and blood body of men became 'mortals' ??

'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the Law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of Him that was to come.' (Romans 5:12-14)

'That as sin hath reigned unto death (mortals), even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord (immortal).'

Now, why the flesh and blood body of Lord Jesus Christ is 'immortal' ??

'For we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.' (Hebrews 4:15)

Then, why did He face death and on the third day rise ??

'Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of GOD, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth: He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth. ................................................................................................................................' (Isaiah 53:4-12)

Was He really dead ??

'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to GOD, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; ...............................'

 

[Pearl]

OP - What's the reason Jesus is 'immortal' and men 'mortals' ?​

Simple - Jesus is God and we are not.

 

[Jack]

OP - What's the reason Jesus is 'immortal' and men 'mortals' ?​

Simple - Jesus is God and we are not.

Exactly!!! Jesus is God the Creator.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

 

[keithr]

First of all, this has nothing to do with flesh and blood the human body, where like Jesus and all men had. But, rather the condition of how one's body is kept in one's lifetime that result to 'mortal' or 'immortal'.

That's wrong! To be immortal means that it is impossible for you to die - nothing can kill you. A dictionary definition of the word immortal is "Not subject to death". If you are a human then you can easily be killed, e.g. you could be struck by lightening, fall over a cliff edge and be dashed on rocks below, you could drown in the sea, you could be eaten by a lion, run over by a bus, blown to pieces by a land mine (or a nuclear bomb!), burnt to ashes in a fire, poisoned, dissolved by acid, etc.. I don't think any physical being can be immortal because physical material is susceptible to fire, chemical and physical attacks, and can be destroyed (perish) - so it does have something to do with being flesh and blood. No matter how you "keep your body" you can still die, just as the perfect human, Jesus, died.

With God's protection humans could live forever, but that does not mean that they are immortal.

In the beginning GOD created every thing on earth including man, and declared them all as. 'very good', for man was 'immortal'.

Wrong again. God does not state in the Bible that man was immortal.

Genesis 1 (WEB):

(25) God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.​

(31) God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.​

God thought that all the animals (and plants) that he had made were good, very good, yet none of them are immortal, and that includes humans.

Paul writes about God:

1 Timothy 6:16 (WEB):

(16) who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.​

1 Timothy 1:17 (WEB):

(17) Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.​

and that it was only after Jesus' ministry that the possibility of anyone else becoming immortal was revealed, 2 Timothy 1:10 (WEB):

(10) but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the Good News.​

that is, immortality for Christians, and eternal life (death abolished) for everyone else.

Was He really dead ??

Yes - Revelation 1:18 (WEB):

(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. ...​

 

[Fred J]

That's wrong! To be immortal means that it is impossible for you to die - nothing can kill you. A dictionary definition of the word immortal is "Not subject to death". If you are a human then you can easily be killed, e.g. you could be struck by lightening, fall over a cliff edge and be dashed on rocks below, you could drown in the sea, you could be eaten by a lion, run over by a bus, blown to pieces by a land mine (or a nuclear bomb!), burnt to ashes in a fire, poisoned, dissolved by acid, etc.. I don't think any physical being can be immortal because physical material is susceptible to fire, chemical and physical attacks, and can be destroyed (perish) - so it does has something to do with being flesh and blood. No matter how you "keep your body" you can still die, just as the perfect human, Jesus, died.

With God's protection humans could live forever, but that does not mean that they are immortal.


Wrong again. God does not state in the Bible that man was immortal.

Genesis 1 (WEB):

(25) God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.​

(31) God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.​

God thought that all the animals (and plants) that he had made were good, very good, yet none of them are immortal, and that includes humans.

Paul writes about God:

1 Timothy 6:16 (WEB):

(16) who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.​

1 Timothy 1:17 (WEB):

(17) Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.​

and that it was only after Jesus' ministry that the possibility of anyone else becoming immortal was revealed, 2 Timothy 1:10 (WEB):

(10) but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the Good News.​

that is, immortality for Christians, and eternal life (death abolished) for everyone else.


Yes - Revelation 1:18 (WEB):

(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. ...​

Wrong, wrong, wrong !

You just pass go the scripture quote i've given, even in relation to 'death', thinking you got it right, but rather one's fallible account is exposed.

Wake up !!

'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: ......................' (Romans 5:12)

Now, if Adam did not sin, sin could not have entered this world, and there will be no death next, therefore Adam remain 'immortal'.

By one man Adam, sin entered into the world, and death followed, himself becoming 'mortal' henceforth.

And, so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

'Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, .................'

Whereby, all men after Adan, were concluded to death becoming 'mortals' themselves after all.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Wrong, wrong, wrong !

Sorry but you are "wrong, wrong, wrong"!

Do you not know the difference between immortality and everlasting life? These are two very different presentations of life in the Bible.
It is possible to live forever without being immortal. The angels have everlasting life, likely by the same criteria as we do, but they are not immortal either.....like humans in the beginning, they have no natural cause of death.

For the first humans, life continuing on was conditional....as long as they remained obedient, access to "the tree of life" in the Garden was not restricted, but as soon as they partook of the fruit of the "TKGE" they lost their innocence and all prospects of life continuing forever were removed. Access to the tree of life was denied....and God made sure that no human in their imperfect sinful state would ever have access to it again, so he stationed a guardian cherub to make sure of that. (Gen 3:22-24)

You just pass go the scripture quote i've given, even in relation to 'death', thinking you got it right, but rather one's fallible account is exposed.

Wake up !!

Perhaps it is you who needs to wake up.....

'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: ......................' (Romans 5:12)

Now, if Adam did not sin, sin could not have entered this world, and there will be no death next, therefore Adam remain 'immortal'.

Since he possessed everlasting life and not immortality, you are not correct in your assumptions. Humans who attain to life in heaven will "put on immortality" just like Jesus did as a reward for his faithful course, but those over who they will rule here on earth will revert back to the same sinless condition as Adam had when he was created. Free will can be abused (as we saw with satan and the first pair) so God has to have a way to rid himself of those who want to do their will, and not his, which is vastly superior.
Didn't Jesus tell us to pray for God's will to "be done on earth as it is in heaven"? How do you suppose God was going to accomplish that?

By one man Adam, sin entered into the world, and death followed, himself becoming 'mortal' henceforth.

And, so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

'Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, .................'

Whereby, all men after Adan, were concluded to death becoming 'mortals' themselves after all.

All men were already mortals....created as such.....which means "being subject to death".....Adam was instructed NOT to partake of the forbidden fruit or he would die....that makes him mortal, not immortal. If he was immortal that rule would have made no sense. He could have eaten the fruit and still lived forever.....your study of the Bible is a bit superficial judging by the strength of your argument. You need to do some original language word studies and perhaps learn something....

 

[Fred J]

Yes - Revelation 1:18 (WEB):

(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. ...​

Again you ignore Isaiah chapter 53 and Hebrews 4:15, resulting to your fallible account once again.

If Jesus is without sin, therefore how can death follow, and what have He got to do with 'mortals' ??

Apparently, He who takes away the sins of the world, became the sacrificial Passover lamb of GOD as offering. Therefore, death followed after Him for the sins of the world which laid upon Him.

Even in the Old Testament, the sins of the Israelites were laid upon an innocent and without blemish, lamb. Inspected and offered by the priests themselves in the Temple, for the atonement of sin.

He took upon Himself the 'mortals', and died in the place of us 'mortals' since Adam, deserving death and eternal separation.

He was able to rise on the third day by Himself, since Himself was without sin and wherefore death had no power to hold Him. Apart from the intervention of GOD and the Holy Spirit in the resurrection.

Even before Jesus suffered and died for the sins of the world, His transfiguration witnessed by Peter, James and John, proves of His 'immortality' as a man already.

He was even visited by the other 'immortals', 'Moses' and 'Elijah', who were comforting Him.

 

[Fred J]

Sorry but you are "wrong, wrong, wrong"!

Do you not know the difference between immortality and everlasting life? These are two very different presentations of life in the Bible.
It is possible to live forever without being immortal. The angels have everlasting life, likely by the same criteria as we do, but they are not immortal either.....like humans in the beginning, they have no natural cause of death.

For the first humans, life continuing on was conditional....as long as they remained obedient, access to "the tree of life" in the Garden was not restricted, but as soon as they partook of the fruit of the "TKGE" they lost their innocence and all prospects of life continuing forever were removed. Access to the tree of life was denied....and God made sure that no human in their imperfect sinful state would ever have access to it again, so he stationed a guardian cherub to make sure of that. (Gen 3:22-24)

Perhaps it is you who needs to wake up.....

Since he possessed everlasting life and not immortality, you are not correct in your assumptions. Humans who attain to life in heaven will "put on immortality" just like Jesus did as a reward for his faithful course, but those over who they will rule here on earth will revert back to the same sinless condition as Adam had when he was created. Free will can be abused (as we saw with satan and the first pair) so God has to have a way to rid himself of those who want to do their will, and not his, which is vastly superior.
Didn't Jesus tell us to pray for God's will to "be done on earth as it is in heaven"? How do you suppose God was going to accomplish that?

All men were already mortals....created as such.....which means "being subject to death".....Adam was instructed NOT to partake of the forbidden fruit or he would die....that makes him mortal, not immortal. If he was immortal that rule would have made no sense. He could have eaten the fruit and still lived forever.....your study of the Bible is a bit superficial judging by the strength of your argument. You need to do some original language word studies and perhaps learn something....

Apparently, you're in my ignorant list, just don't bother, no thank you.

 

[Aunty Jane]

He was able to rise on the third day by Himself,

Romans 10:9...no he wasn't.
"For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved."
Jesus did not raise himself. His God raised him from the dead. The God he prayed to.....was he praying to himself? Did he answer himself?

since Himself was without sin and wherefore death had no power to hold Him. Apart from the intervention of GOD and the Holy Spirit in the resurrection.

Jesus was dead for three days and nights.....he was not resurrected till that time was up. Death had a hold on him for three days as it was prophesied.
He was "in the heart of the earth" just as Jonah was "in the belly of the fish" for three days (Matt 12:40).....who released Jonah from the fish?....the same one who released Jesus from his tomb.

Even before Jesus suffered and died for the sins of the world, His transfiguration witnessed by Peter, James and John, proves of His 'immortality' as a man already.

Nonsense. Jesus told his disciples...."Truly I say to you, There are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the kingdom of God already come in power.’"
Accordingly six days later, Jesus took Peter and James and John up into a lofty mountain by themselves alone. And he was transfigured before them, and his outer garments became glowing, gleaming white. Also Elijah with Moses appeared to them, and they were conversing with Jesus. Since Jesus had not laid down his life at that point, he was fulfilling the promise he made to them...to "see the kingdom of God already come in power"....with him representing the King, Moses representing the law, and Elijah representing the prophets. It was not reality but as Jesus said...it was "a vision". They were seeing the three representations of God's kingdom.

In reality, since Jesus was still in the flesh, Moses and Elijah were still in their tombs, as Jesus expressly said that "no one has ascended to heaven except he who descended from heaven", identifying himself. (John 3:13) No one went to heaven before he did....he is "the firstborn from the dead". (Col 1:18)

And responsively Peter said to Jesus: ‘Rabbi, it is fine for us to be here, so let us erect three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.’ In fact, he did not know what response he should make, for they became quite frightened. And a cloud formed, covering them protectively, and a voice came out of the cloud: ‘This is my Son, the beloved; listen to him.’ Suddenly, however, they looked around and saw no one with them any longer, except Jesus alone. As they were coming down from of the mountain, he expressly ordered them not to relate the vision to anybody, until 'after the Son of man had risen from the dead'. And they took the word to heart, and kept that exciting event to themselves. (Matt 17:1-8)

He was even visited by the other 'immortals', 'Moses' and 'Elijah', who were comforting Him.

Since both Moses and Elijah died long before the new covenant was established, their resurrection will not be to heaven, so they will never be immortals. But like the rest of mankind resurrected from the dead, they will enjoy paradise on earth as those who proved faithful until their death.....who would not love to live in the same conditions as Adam and his wife first enjoyed....?

God's first purpose for the human race will ultimately be realized....(Rev 21:2-4; Isa 55:11)
Earth was never intended to be a training ground for heaven.

 

[BlessedPeace]

First of all, this has nothing to do with flesh and blood the human body, where like Jesus and all men had. But, rather the condition of how one's body is kept in one's lifetime that result to 'mortal' or 'immortal'.

In the beginning GOD created every thing on earth including man, and declared them all as. 'very good', for man was 'immortal'.

Why all flesh and blood body of men became 'mortals' ??

'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the Law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of Him that was to come.' (Romans 5:12-14)

'That as sin hath reigned unto death (mortals), even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord (immortal).'

Now, why the flesh and blood body of Lord Jesus Christ is 'immortal' ??

'For we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.' (Hebrews 4:15)

Then, why did He face death and on the third day rise ??

'Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of GOD, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth: He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth. ................................................................................................................................' (Isaiah 53:4-12)

Was He really dead ??

'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to GOD, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; ...............................'

Jesus is,was,God. That is immortal.

We are not God.

 

[Jack]

Romans 10:9...no he wasn't.
"For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved."
Jesus did not raise himself. His God raised him from the dead. The God he prayed to.....was he praying to himself? Did he answer himself?


Jesus was dead for three days and nights.....he was not resurrected till that time was up. Death had a hold on him for three days as it was prophesied.
He was "in the heart of the earth" just as Jonah was "in the belly of the fish" for three days (Matt 12:40).....who released Jonah from the fish?....the same one who released Jesus from his tomb.

Nonsense. Jesus told his disciples...."Truly I say to you, There are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the kingdom of God already come in power.’"
Accordingly six days later, Jesus took Peter and James and John up into a lofty mountain by themselves alone. And he was transfigured before them, and his outer garments became glowing, gleaming white. Also Elijah with Moses appeared to them, and they were conversing with Jesus. Since Jesus had not laid down his life at that point, he was fulfilling the promise he made to them...to "see the kingdom of God already come in power"....with him representing the King, Moses representing the law, and Elijah representing the prophets. It was not reality but as Jesus said...it was "a vision". They were seeing the three representations of God's kingdom.

In reality, since Jesus was still in the flesh, Moses and Elijah were still in their tombs, as Jesus expressly said that "no one has ascended to heaven except he who descended from heaven", identifying himself. (John 3:13) No one went to heaven before he did....he is "the firstborn from the dead". (Col 1:18)

And responsively Peter said to Jesus: ‘Rabbi, it is fine for us to be here, so let us erect three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.’ In fact, he did not know what response he should make, for they became quite frightened. And a cloud formed, covering them protectively, and a voice came out of the cloud: ‘This is my Son, the beloved; listen to him.’ Suddenly, however, they looked around and saw no one with them any longer, except Jesus alone. As they were coming down from of the mountain, he expressly ordered them not to relate the vision to anybody, until 'after the Son of man had risen from the dead'. And they took the word to heart, and kept that exciting event to themselves. (Matt 17:1-8)

Since both Moses and Elijah died long before the new covenant was established, their resurrection will not be to heaven, so they will never be immortals. But like the rest of mankind resurrected from the dead, they will enjoy paradise on earth as those who proved faithful until their death.....who would not love to live in the same conditions as Adam and his wife first enjoyed....?

God's first purpose for the human race will ultimately be realized....(Rev 21:2-4; Isa 55:11)
Earth was never intended to be a training ground for heaven.

How long have you been a JW? I know the answer.

 

[BlessedPeace]

How long have you been a JW? I know the answer.

Jesus told his Disciples, when you have seen me you have seen the Father.

He also said, I and my Father are one.

Which coincides with the OT verse wherein God tells us he is the only one,the only God,there is no other. As he also said, besides him there is no Savior.
Which corroborates Jesus stating, he (the Savior,) and the Father are one.

JW's being led to believe Jesus was a mortal man being led by God to do miraculous things is Blasphemy.

 

[ScottA]

Answering the above title question"

Jesus is the exception, the "only begotten"--which is to say "of" God, but spiritually, meaning "is." "Of" is a preposition meaning "is" in the spiritual context of God who is timeless. It is simply another way of saying "I am."

Meaning, although Jesus was born of a woman and as a man, it was not that He laid down his life during that time in history in which it is recorded, that made Him more than a man. But rather His having laid it down "before the foundation of the world." Having laid it down, at that time in history, having both live and died as a man--that was just an enactment of what had already occurred, then made manifest, as a testimony to all the world. More importantly, it is then that He took it up again. Only God can do such a thing--only the I am.

 

[Jack]

Jesus told his Disciples, when you have seen me you have seen the Father.

He also said, I and my Father are one.

Which coincides with the OT verse wherein God tells us he is the only one,the only God,there is no other. As he also said, besides him there is no Savior.
Which corroborates Jesus stating, he (the Savior,) and the Father are one.

JW's being led to believe Jesus was a mortal man being led by God to do miraculous things is Blasphemy.

Even the JW bible CLEARLY says Jesus is God!

 

[BlessedPeace]

Even the JW bible CLEARLY says Jesus is God!

Please post that passage.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Answering the above title question"

Jesus is the exception, the "only begotten"--which is to say "of" God, but spiritually, meaning "is." "Of" is a preposition meaning "is" in the spiritual context of God who is timeless. It is simply another way of saying "I am."

Meaning, although Jesus was born of a woman and as a man, it was not that He laid down his life during that time in history in which it is recorded, that made Him more than a man. But rather His having laid it down "before the foundation of the world." Having laid it down, at that time in history, having both live and died as a man--that was just an enactment of what had already occurred, then made manifest, as a testimony to all the world. More importantly, it is then that He took it up again. Only God can do such a thing--only the I am.

Jesus was clear there too.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

Source: 13 Bible verses about The I Am's Of Christ

 

[Jack]

Please post that passage.

There are several.

Heb 1 Let all God's angels WORSHIP him.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus told his Disciples, when you have seen me you have seen the Father.

Because he reflected his Father in personality perfectly.

He also said, I and my Father are one.

He also said the he and his disciples were “one”...were they all God?

Which coincides with the OT verse wherein God tells us he is the only one,the only God,there is no other. As he also said, besides him there is no Savior.

Yes, besides him there is no savior....if God had not “sent” his son to redeem mankind, salvation would not have been possible. The one who sends the savior is also a savior.

JW's being led to believe Jesus was a mortal man being led by God to do miraculous things is Blasphemy.

Who said? If Jesus was God he would be immortal...immortals cannot die. Jesus had to be 100% mortal to die for mankind.....he paid the required price to get back what the first Adam forfeited......sinless life on earth forever, for the vast majority of humans.
Blasphemy is breaking the first Commandment and putting another god or gods in the Father’s place. (Ex 20:3)
The apostles knew who was God and who was their Lord Jesus....
1 Cor 8:5-6...
“For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.”

Their “one God” is the Father.....Jesus is their “Lord” but not their “God”.

Please post that passage.

There isn’t one. Jack is full of misinformation and he loves it.

Heb 1: 6....
“But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” (NWT)

The word in Greek means to bow before someone in reverence or honor. Like the title “Lord” does not just mean God, it applies to others as well....so “proskyneo” means to bow down to someone which in Bible times was a common greeting. It’s a word that has more than one meaning.

Too many people get hung up on the English translation without checking the original word meanings.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

God never said his name was “I Am”. His name actually means “I Will Be”. There is no connection between Ex 3 and John 8.
The Jews asked him a question about his age not his status as a deity.
He answered their question by saying that he existed before Abraham. His answer was “I have been” or “I Was”.....the question was about the past not the present. He answered in the past tense.

Nowhere does he state that he is God incarnate. Please find us a clear unequivocal statement where either God or his son admit that the son is equally God...or even that the holy spirit is equally God. There is not one. If there was, this issue would have been put to rest centuries ago. It still rages.

 

[Jack]

There isn’t one.

You're right, there are several from the NWT! You should read it some time.

Jack is full of misinformation and he loves it.

Heb 1: 6....
“But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” (NWT)

NWT 1970 Heb 1 Let all God's angels WORSHIP him!

Just one example of WatchTower deceit by editing out the Truth!

Want more Aunty?

 

[Taken]

Exactly!!! Jesus is God the Creator.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

Created AND Made are two different things.

God Created AND Made.

John 1:
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

The Creator and Maker is called God.
The Maker it is revealed when He came INTO THIS World, shall be Called…JESUS.

Creation is one thing…establishing what was NOT to Come into Existance.

Making is another thing…establishing a Created thing to Come into Functioning / Purpose.

Creation of ALL things was established IN the Beginning.

Making of ALL things CAN, IS, SHALL continue (some things, restored, MAKE anew), UNTIL the day of Judgement AND Sentencing fulfilled….and recolliation for (some things, and not other things accomplished…) by, through, of …
The MAKER….Christ the Lord Jesus.
AND THIS world BE, AS it is IN Heaven to. Whit, SHALL be ON Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken