What's the reason Jesus is 'immortal' and men 'mortals' ?

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

Taken said:
Created AND Made are two different things.

God Created AND Made.

John 1:
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

The Creator and Maker is called God.
The Maker it is revealed when He came INTO THIS World, shall be Called…JESUS.

Creation is one thing…establishing what was NOT to Come into Existance.

Making is another thing…establishing a Created thing to Come into Functioning / Purpose.

Creation of ALL things was established IN the Beginng.

Making of ALL things CAN, IS, SHALL continue (some things, restored, MAKE anew), UNTIL the day of Judgement AND Sentencing fulfilled….and recolliation for (some things, and not other things accomplished…) by, through, of …
The MAKER….Christ the Lord Jesus.
AND THIS world BE, AS it is IN Heaven to. Whit, SHALL be ON Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

Gen 1:26 God said let US MAKE man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

Hobie · Mar 13, 2024

Fred J said:
First of all, this has nothing to do with flesh and blood the human body, where like Jesus and all men had. But, rather the condition of how one's body is kept in one's lifetime that result to 'mortal' or 'immortal'.

In the beginning GOD created every thing on earth including man, and declared them all as. 'very good', for man was 'immortal'.

Why all flesh and blood body of men became 'mortals' ??

'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the Law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of Him that was to come.' (Romans 5:12-14)

'That as sin hath reigned unto death (mortals), even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord (immortal).'

Now, why the flesh and blood body of Lord Jesus Christ is 'immortal' ??

'For we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.' (Hebrews 4:15)

Then, why did He face death and on the third day rise ??

'Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of GOD, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth: He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth. ................................................................................................................................' (Isaiah 53:4-12)

Was He really dead ??

'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to GOD, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; ...............................'

He put his life in the hands of the Father, and had faith He would resurrect Him, just as we must do.

Taken · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
Gen 1:26 God said let US MAKE man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

Yes.
Created AND then MADE…
Two different things.

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

Taken said:
Yes.
Created AND then MADE…
Two different things.

Are you really saying Jesus isn't God???

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

Taken said:
Created AND Made are two different things.

They are synonyms.

Augustin56 · Mar 13, 2024

Jesus had two natures: One human and one Divine. The Church calls this the hypostatic union. That term describes in a word the great mystery of the Incarnation: the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity assumed a fully human nature so that the one Person of Jesus Christ now possesses two natures within the one, divine Person. Hypostatic union comes from the Greek word hypostasis, which the Church came to use as a synonym for the Latin word persona, or “person.” Originally, hypostasis had a wider semantic range in ancient Greek, but the Church came to use it, and now uses it perennially, with a more narrow focus as “person.”

Thus, hypostatic union refers to the joining of the two natures of Christ—one divine, one human—within the hypostasis, or “person,” of Christ. This “joining” or “union” is not to be understood as a mingling of natures. Each nature remains fully distinct. But they are not to be understood as substantially separated, either. The hypostatic union is a substantial union, meaning we are talking about “one thing” here. One person. One subject. But that one subject, Jesus Christ, a divine person, possesses two natures, one divine and one human.

It is because the one, divine Person of Jesus Christ possesses these two natures that it becomes entirely correct to say He, the divine Person of Christ, suffered, died, etc. Because of the hypostatic union, everything experienced in the two natures of Christ must be said to be experienced by the one, divine Person. He, the divine Person of Christ, is the subject of everything experienced through his two natures.

Augustin56 · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
They are synonyms.

Reminds me of Joe Biden's hillarious statement, "You may have the facts, but we have the truth!" LOL

BlessedPeace · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
There are several.

Heb 1 Let all God's angels WORSHIP him.

That's not a JW Bible scripture.

JW's do not believe Jesus was Jehovah.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no1-2020-jan-feb/truth-about-god-and-christ/

JW's do not believe in making images of anything in heaven,per scripture.

Excerpted:

What Is the Difference Between God and Christ?

Jesus Is Not God. Jesus is unique—he is the only person created directly by God. That is why the Bible calls him God’s Son. (John 1:14) After creating Jesus, Jehovah used his firstborn as “a master worker” to create everything and everyone else.—Proverbs 8:30, 31; Colossians 1:15, 16.
Jesus Christ never claimed to be God. Instead, he explained: “I am a representative from [God], and that One sent me.” (John 7:29) When speaking to one of his disciples, Jesus called Jehovah “my Father and your Father” and “my God and your God.” (John 20:17) After Jesus died, Jehovah resurrected him to life in heaven and gave him great authority at His right hand.—Matthew 28:18; Acts 2:32, 33.

BlessedPeace · Mar 13, 2024

Augustin56 said:
Jesus had two natures: One human and one Divine. The Church calls this the hypostatic union. That term describes in a word the great mystery of the Incarnation: the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity assumed a fully human nature so that the one Person of Jesus Christ now possesses two natures within the one, divine Person. Hypostatic union comes from the Greek word hypostasis, which the Church came to use as a synonym for the Latin word persona, or “person.” Originally, hypostasis had a wider semantic range in ancient Greek, but the Church came to use it, and now uses it perennially, with a more narrow focus as “person.”

Thus, hypostatic union refers to the joining of the two natures of Christ—one divine, one human—within the hypostasis, or “person,” of Christ. This “joining” or “union” is not to be understood as a mingling of natures. Each nature remains fully distinct. But they are not to be understood as substantially separated, either. The hypostatic union is a substantial union, meaning we are talking about “one thing” here. One person. One subject. But that one subject, Jesus Christ, a divine person, possesses two natures, one divine and one human.

It is because the one, divine Person of Jesus Christ possesses these two natures that it becomes entirely correct to say He, the divine Person of Christ, suffered, died, etc. Because of the hypostatic union, everything experienced in the two natures of Christ must be said to be experienced by the one, divine Person. He, the divine Person of Christ, is the subject of everything experienced through his two natures.

And yet, Jesus human nature was not a sin nature.

Taken · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
They are synonyms.

Created and Made are similar. In context of Scripture, not the same thing.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

If “created and made” were the SAME thing, that woud be redundant to say “created AND made”.

“Made”….is doing somethin to an already Created thing.

You can CREATE a truck, but it will do nothing, until you do something to MAKE it operate / function.

Adam was Created of dust….in Gods Image….and did nothing…
God Made man in Gods likeness….
And the man was able to function / communicate….

Adam was CREATED with:
Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, tongue, flesh….
BUT
Could not:
See, hear, smell, speak, taste, feel touch…
Until he was MADE.

Creation is a done deal…Period.
Making”S of God creations…Continue.

Glory to God,
Taken

Augustin56 · Mar 13, 2024

BlessedPeace said:
And yet, Jesus human nature was not a sin nature.

Correct! He was like us in all ways but sin. Good point!

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

BlessedPeace said:
That's not a JW Bible scripture.

It's Heb 1:6 in the JW bible.

Hebrews 1:6 (NKJV)
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

Taken said:
Created and Made are similar. In context of Scripture, not the same thing.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

If “created and made” were the SAME thing, that woud be redundant to say “created AND made”.

“Made”….is doing somethin to an already Created thing.

You can CREATE a truck, but it will do nothing, until you do something to MAKE it operate / function.

Adam was Created of dust….in Gods Image….and did nothing…
God Made man in Gods likeness….
And the man was able to function / communicate….

Adam was CREATED with:
Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, tongue, flesh….
BUT
Could not:
See, hear, smell, speak, taste, feel touch…
Until he was MADE.

Creation is a done deal…Period.
Making”S of God creations…Continue.

Glory to God,
Taken

Genesis 1:26-27 (NKJV)
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Taken · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
Genesis 1:26-27 (NKJV)
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Yes….Created AND Made….

Can’t understand the difference For you.

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

Taken said:
Yes….Created AND Made….

Can’t understand the difference For you.

So you must be saying Jesus isn't God.

Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Taken · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
So you must be saying Jesus isn't God.

That is not so…”IF” it were, I would plainly say that and you would not have to speak for me.

Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Col 1:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Created BY Him, FOR Him…

John 1:
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Made BY Him…..FOR ?

John 1:
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him , and the world knew him not.

Made BY Him….FOR?

Created and Made not the same thing

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

Taken said:
That is not so…”IF” it were, I would plainly say that and you would not have to speak for me.

Col 1:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Created BY Him, FOR Him…

John 1:
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Made BY Him…..FOR ?

John 1:
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him , and the world knew him not.

Made BY Him….FOR?

Created and Made not the same thing

Jesus is the Creator of all things. Couldn't be any clearer. If you believe that Jesus is God the Creator, then don't we agree?

Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.

BlessedPeace · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
It's Heb 1:6 in the JW bible.

Hebrews 1:6 (NKJV)
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

You ignored the JW source that tells you JW's don't believe Jesus was God.

Jack · Mar 13, 2024

BlessedPeace said:
You ignored the JW source that tells you JW's don't believe Jesus was God.

Don't need a source for that. They demand that Jesus isn't God.

BlessedPeace · Mar 13, 2024

Jack said:
Don't need a source for that. They demand that Jesus isn't God.

You are either confused,or your account is being used by someone else on occasion and you are not aware of what they post.

You said:
(link to post is below)
"Even the JW bible CLEARLY says Jesus is God!"