How long does Salvation last ....and why.

[Ferris Bueller]

Tell that to Calvin.
Remember?
He's a heretic.
He's no part of Paul, for about 90%
I only Teach Pauline Theology @100%

"wiki" it, Ferris, and learn something new.

But Paul warned us not to make grace a license to sin.
Now what, behold?

He also said if you don't continue to believe you aren't saved.
It's not looking good for your theology, behold, lol.

 

[Behold]

You say Jesus also meant people who DON'T believe in me.

Ah, so you decided to be the real you, and try to prove you can lose your salvaiton.
That's a bit double minded, after you just told me a few posts back that you can't lose your salvation.
Are you ready to lie about that now also.
I think you can.
I think you will.


All the born again "have believed", and that is why they become born again.

God gives the new birth UPON your Faith in Christ... as "faith is counted as Righteousness".
The proof that God has taken and accepted your faith, is that you BECOME a Son/Daughter of God.

To become a "new Creation in Christ" is to be born again, and that happens when God accepts your FAITH , once.... instantly.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

That is talking prophetically to the Gentile Nation.

Its comparing the "grafted in" with the Jews.

Stop making the word of God void (Mark 7:13).

We believers are being warned to continue in God’s goodness or else be cut off with the unbelievers. The next verse makes that crystal clear:

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:23)

 

[Behold]

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:23)

People are not "grafted"... they are born again.
That is how you become a "new creation in Christ".

"the gentile's" are the "grafted", regarding the "Jews" who have been set aside during the "time of the Gentiles".

 

[Behold]

But Paul warned us not to make grace a license to sin.

There is no denomination or youtuber or preacher or commentary that teaches that you can enjoy sin now that you are saved.
That is a LIE created by the "cult of OSAS" and you are a charter member.

Jesus said that if you dont receive Him as Savior you will die in your sin... Result? = John 3:36

Paul said that if you live in sin, you will die. Romans 8:13
Paul said not to use your freedom in Christ to enjoy carnal pursuit. Galatians 5:13.

Notice the "Liberty"..
That is the Grace of God, that is the eternal security of the Believer.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:23)

People are not "grafted"... they are born again.

It’s called FIGURATIVE language. We are grafting in by believing the gospel. The Jews got broken off for not believing the gospel.

"the gentile's" are the "grafted", regarding the "Jews" who have been set aside during the "time of the Gentiles".

The Jews (many) didn’t believe the gospel. And we are warned to continue in God’s goodness or else be cut off with the unbelievers.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul said not to use your freedom in Christ to enjoy carnal pursuit. Galatians 5:13.

How is saying grace allows 'born again' people to purposely live in sin and willingly not believe in Christ without being condemned when Jesus returns not saying grace is a license to sin?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul said not to use your freedom in Christ to enjoy carnal pursuit. Galatians 5:13.

Notice the "Liberty"..
That is the Grace of God, that is the eternal security of the Believer.

You're literally saying grace gives the born again person the liberty to live in sin and not believe in Christ and be saved from the fire when he returns. How is that not making grace a license to sin????

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There is no denomination or youtuber or preacher or commentary that teaches that you can enjoy sin now that you are saved.

No, there are denominations and youtubers and preachers and commentary that say a born again person can sin now in the worst of habitual, willful sin, and even not believe in Christ altogether and grace makes it so they will be saved from damnation, despite that sin and unbelief, when Jesus comes back. That's called making grace a license to sin.

How is your argument different than that?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ah, so you decided to be the real you, and try to prove you can lose your salvaiton.

No, I pointed out to you that Jesus said those who believe in me have eternal life. You say that limitation does not exist. You say even people who don't believe can have eternal life. You changed Jesus' words.

All the born again "have believed", and that is why they become born again.

But you're changing Jesus' words.
He said those who are believing have eternal life. He did not say past tense believers have eternal life. He said presently believing people have eternal life. Paul said the same thing in 1 Corinthians 15:1-2.

God gives the new birth UPON your Faith in Christ... as "faith is counted as Righteousness".
The proof that God has taken and accepted your faith, is that you BECOME a Son/Daughter of God.

No, the Bible says the proof that God has taken and accepted your faith is you STOP LIVING IN SIN. And that the person who is unconverted and unchanged, remaining in their old life, IS NOT BORN AGAIN.

Sons and daughters LOOK LIKE THEIR PARENTS. A (supposed) son or daughter who is not growing up to look like Dad IS NOT A LEGITIMATE MEMBER OF THE FAMILY. The confidence that you belong to God and will not be condemned to the fire at the final judgment is that IN THIS LIFE YOU ARE LIKE HIM:

"love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him." 1 John 4:17​

Your brand of OSAS denies this Biblical fact. Confidence of salvation comes from how you act, not from assuredly thinking that you are saved. This is a Biblical truth - a truth vehemently denied by this new OSAS Hypergrace doctrine destroying the church at this present time.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Once again, Confusing the VAST Difference between God's ETERNAL
Relationship With us, And our "fellowship" With Him, shown here:

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

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There is a false teaching, that creates the false perception that many believers maintain regarding the idea that you can break your fellowship with God.
The good news is : that this can never happen.
Why?
Its because your Fellowship with God is not based on you. Its only based on the Blood and Death of Jesus..its only based on = the Blood Atonement creating eternal PEACE between you and God, ... = at all times.

Listen, you dont maintain peace with God.
Its the blood and Death of Jesus that does this for you, = "the GIFT of Salvation".

Most believers have not been taught that being born again is to be eternally purchased.
You are actually "bought with a price" Paul teaches, and that price is the blood and death of Jesus.
One of the understandings of REDEEMED< is this idea of being "blood bought", by Christ's Blood.
To be saved, to be born again, is to be redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.
The idea is: "bought BACK".. or ransomed by the payment that is God as Christ as Christ on the Cross.

"Redeemed", is the idea of .... Lets say your child was kidnapped.
So, the kidnappers want a million dollars.. And if you pay it, you get your child back.
That money is your child's redemption.
And regarding our SOUL and our ETERNAL LIFE...... our Salvation.....this was paid for by the Blood of Jesus.
God's holy blood is THE ransom money that has released us from Revelation 20:11... from Death, Hell, the Grave, and "outer darkness", which is the "lake of fire".
So, the blood of Jesus, has released the BORN AGAIN from all those "captors", and eliminated the Judgement due us all for our sin that was coming to us us after we met God.
The Blood of Jesus has redeemed us from THIS = situation.... John 3:36
Jesus's BLOOD is the PRICE THAT HAS BEEN PAID... for you so that God will take you and keep you.
WE dont pay it.
How could we?
God already did.
= Welcome to Redemption.


Now....IF fellowship was broken between us the born again and God, then God the Holy Spirit would not be communicating with us at all, as He would not be in us anymore.
So, that can't happen, as we can never stop being ""the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
We can never stop being "born again", and that does not mean water baptized and religious.
And the reason we are always in UNION with God, is because the same CHRIST on The Cross that created our fellowship with God, always maintains it....and maintains it for ETERNITY.
And that is the Blood of Jesus. That is this verse in operation.. Philippians 1:6

Listen , always remember that is not by your works or self effort that God took you and keeps you, but its only by the "finished work of God on the Cross" that you are made worthy (righteous) to be accepted and kept by God... ...which is the only reason that God took you and keeps you. = (born again).

Its the Blood and Death of Jesus that created your eternal relationship with God to begin with, and its the same Blood and Death of Jesus that maintains it, and not our lifestyle or our behavior.
See... "it is not by works of righteousness that we have done, but according to GOD's MERCY"......= is why we are always in fellowship with God and why we are kept in eternal fellowship with God....at all times..
So then.... out goes the false theology that teaches you... "im being good to stay in fellowship with God", = as this is legalistic nonsense that you are taught by deceived self righteous people from a pulpit or on a forum or from a TV or DVD, or commentary, or Youtube video or Blog.

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Here is the reality....when you blow it, when you fall, when you commit a "work of the flesh"..a carnal deed that you enjoyed.... you feel guilty and condemned and you believe that these feelings are proof of broken fellowship with Father God.. Well, disregard your feelings, as its the Blood of Jesus that Keeps God at peace with YOU, always.
See, Salvation is not YOU keeping peace with God......Salvation is the Blood and Death of Jesus keeping God ALWAYS at peace with you....irregardless of you.. as that is :"The GIFT of Salvation" and "the Gift of Righteousness"

And when you repent and confess and tell God how sorry you are, again....and then you feel better, and the next day you feel fine....that is not God restoring your relationship to Himself....that is you working out your guild trip the way you've taught yourself how to do it the last 400 times over the years.
Thats your little mental ritual that helps you feel better.
See....God was at peace with you the whole time., but you were not at peace within yourself till you went through your guilt healing ritual (confession) that freed you from your own self affliction.. evetually.

Yes, really.

And here is something else that most believers dont realize, because they are never taught this spiritual reality......
When we, the born again, become the Temple of the Holy Spirit....= GOD moved in forever..
He moved IN.. for eternity and the born again became ONE WITH GOD, forever.
This is a permanent situation, Saint.
Being born again is not going to stop, its not going to end.
Remember that...
See...You have BECOME the BODY of CHRIST.....and that will never change.
God made you clean so that He could move in, and did, if you are born again, and not just water baptized playing a false game of religion with yourself that you think is "christianity".
Its The blood of Jesus that is ...= the Gift of Salvation... that is the BLOOD Atonement, that God has provided so that He can accept you and keep you.

And God does not move out if you mess up a little more, or a lot.. as God does not see our sin or charge it to us....Romans 4:8 2 Corinthians 5:19....= because God's redemption has recreated us as a "new Creation". The born again are One with God and Christ. And in THERE, is no sin found. There is no sin found in Christ, and you are "in Christ" if you are born again.,
Not water baptized, but BORN AGAIN.
And if so......= THAT is the real you, and not the person who is double minded and fleshy and prone to grow cold regarding the things of God.

Listen..., there is no getting God out of you, as "Christ in you" is an eternal SALVATION...and we are "ONE with God and Christ".. for as long as God LIVES, if we are born again.
We are...the born again.....and that makes us this..>"as CHRIST IS....So ARE the BORN AGAIN in this world"''......at all times..

When we are born again, we are born again by "incorruptible seed" that REMAINS as our Born Again "new Creation in Christ". 1 John 3:9
So, that part, (the real US) is the born again Spirit that has been BORN AGAIN = Into God's Spirit by God's Holy Spirit.
Thats the REAL YOU, that is the Son/Daughter of GOD.... and that is the only YOU that God will ever see or perceive you to be, today, tomorrow, and forever.
The born again exist as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
HE does not see your faults or your little secret sins or your doubt, as you seem them.
He only sees you as : "The righteousness of God...in Christ". "BORN AGAIN" a Son/Daughter of God.
And when you have that same mind, when we SEE ourselves as God always sees us....then you are walking in the Spirit in a "renewed" mind.... and not until.
Till then, you are not, and that is why most believers keep sinning and confessing and living in that low darkened spiritual state of fractured discipleship.

Its interesting that in many churches, you are told you are born again, but you are never told into WHAT you are born again INTO ...and why or how.
So, its very simple Reader.....You are born again Spiritually by God's Holy Spirit...INTO GOD's Spirit.
This is why you are "in CHRIST"...as CHRIST IS God.
And this is why your NT tells you, that... "as CHRIST IS, so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".., and that is every born again believer.
See, the reason you are '"""seated in heavenly places, IN CHRIST"""< is because you are "One with God and Christ"........forever.
This means that all the born again are born again INTO God's Spirit......and that is where we EXIST. = for eternity as a SON/Daughter of God.
This is why you are IN The Kingdom of God right now, if you are born again, and not just water baptized.
And this is for ETERNITY you exist there, as born again.

So, being "in Christ".... is to be "ONE with God and Christ",= born again into God's Spirit.
And so, that is a "fellowship" that you can never break by being a bad little boy or a bad little girl.
Good or bad Behavior has no effect on BIRTH, especially a Spiritual one that is created by God that has eternally placed you INTO God's Spirit, as a Son/Daughter of God.

It isn't surprising is it? A people talk about salvation, and God's irrevocable saving grace that brings eternal life, and yet there are those who give sin credit to overcome it.

1 Corinthians 2:14.
It's not us that changes minds brother.

 

[Behold]

Look at the part of your quote in red (emphasis mine).
UNDERSTAND?

You say Jesus also meant people who DON'T believe in me.

Christ said he Gives you eternal life if you believe in Him.
That's true.
The proof is that you are born again. = He's Given it.
Once born again, you have eternal life, as Jesus Himself is Eternal life. = He's GIVEN IT.
Having "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", is why you have it., and is the proof you have it.
He is not in you because you KEPT believing, which is your very odd understanding of "born again".

He, Christ, is in all the Born Again, because God has accepted their faith the day they were SAVED. That happens ONCE.
This is WHY a person becomes a Son of God.
Your very strange understanding seems to want to say..>"you are not really a SON" yet,... as you have to die never having stopped believeing.
Yet God has become the FATHER, of a born again person, INSTANTLY......and they do not stop being a SON/Daughter of Christ.
It would be impossible for that to happen.

"shall not Perish" is not based on KEEP BELIEVING, it based on having Eternal LIFE , which is to be born again.

 

[Behold]

It isn't surprising is it? A people talk about salvation, and God's irrevocable saving grace that brings eternal life, and yet there are those who give sin credit to overcome it.

1 Corinthians 2:14.
It's not us that changes minds brother.

Well, regarding Ferris....He believes that if he never loses His faith, then his faith has saved Him, and that is the only reason God will have Him.
Essentially He has a verse that he has misunderstood, that is his "go to", and he lives there as if the rest of the bible does not exist.
To him, born again, is not really anything....all that matters is holding unto faith.
Yesterday he stated that he does not believe he can lose His salvation, then 3-4 post later, contradicted Himself.

Ive explained this to him for a Year that faith in FAITH is not Faith in Christ, and he has no ears to hear it..
Thats a lot of seeds ive sown in that one.

Others who find my Threads, who are locked in their self saving Legalism, have their own little circular reasoning manifesto that keeps them from giving Christ credit for keeping them Saved..
So, what i do, is teach those people, for the benefit of the rest who are "totting on the brink" of becoming Legalists.
And there are those who are brand new Christians who will find me, and so, as they read the crazy self saving nonsense posted by these deceived Cross rejecting people, they are able to SEE what NOT to believe.
Its really for the person who is the new christian, or the easily deceived who find me, ... ... these are my #1 forum projects, and my Threads are designed to help them spot heretics, and in this way not be harmed by them in life, as these people are everywhere......not just on Forums.

And i love to give Christ Credit for salvation.
All my Threads do this, and most of my Posts do this as well.
After all, Jesus is Salvation.....and that is a Hallelujah !

 

[Gospel Believer]

Well, regarding Ferris....He believes that if he never loses His faith, then his faith has saved Him, and that is the only reason God will have Him.
Essentially He has a verse that he has misunderstood, that is his "go to", and he lives there as if the rest of the bible does not exist.
To him, born again, is not really anything....all that matters is holding unto faith.
Yesterday he stated that he does not believe he can lose His salvation, then 3-4 post later, contradicted Himself.

Ive explained this to him for a Year that faith in FAITH is not Faith in Christ, and he has no ears to hear it..
Thats a lot of seeds ive sown in that one.

Others who find my Threads, who are locked in their self saving Legalism, have their own little circular reasoning manifesto that keeps them from giving Christ credit for keeping them Saved..
So, what i do, is teach those people, for the benefit of the rest who are "totting on the brink" of becoming Legalists.
And there are those who are brand new Christians who will find me, and so, as they read the crazy self saving nonsense posted by these deceived Cross rejecting people, they are able to SEE what NOT to believe.
Its really for the person who is the new christian, or the easily deceived who find me, ... ... these are my #1 forum projects, and my Threads are designed to help them spot heretics, and in this way not be harmed by them in life, as these people are everywhere......not just on Forums.

And i love to give Christ Credit for salvation.
All my Threads do this, and most of my Posts do this as well.
After all, Jesus is Salvation.....and that is a Hallelujah !

Ferris Believes In “ Lucky Repentance” for Salvation.....he always has.....he always will....

 

[Behold]

Ferris Believes In “ Lucky Repentance” for Salvation.....he always has.....he always will....

Ferris believes in "holding unto faith", as if Faith is his Savior.

Ive explained to him, for 18 months that GOD is the Savior, not Faith.

God saves us, with the blood of Jesus through faith....

Faith gives us access to God's Salvation, that God then supplies, THROUGH faith.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Ferris believes in "holding unto faith", as if Faith is his Savior.

Ive explained to him, for 18 months that GOD is the Savior, not Faith.

God saves us, with the blood of Jesus through faith....

Faith gives us access to God's Salvation, that God then supplies, THROUGH faith.

.....
Setting all of this great stuff aside......
He “ DOES” make a great “ Springboard “ to get the Truth out there, doesn’t he? He serves a valuable service to both of us and others and he is completely oblivious to it....did somebody earlier mention “ Irony?” .....Lol......

 

[Gospel Believer]

It isn't surprising is it? A people talk about salvation, and God's irrevocable saving grace that brings eternal life, and yet there are those who give sin credit to overcome it.

1 Corinthians 2:14.
It's not us that changes minds brother.

As much as I deplore raining on the Legalist’s Parades—— “ Where Sin abounds, Grace abounds that much more”
God hates Sin , no doubt about it.....we have the freedom to take advantage of Grace and we all do it at times....how did it work out for you the last time you tried it? Did you enjoy your trip to God’s Wood -Shed? I found it to be such an unpleasant experience that it makes me think twice before I want to do stupid, foolish and sinful things—— the height of that being thinking that I might sin and “ get away with it”..... lol.....it just don’t work that way......

Yes.....it does not take an Einstein to know that sin is bad and we just wind up hurting ourselves when we do wrong.....The Price for Sin has been paid , and God knows how to “ blow the whistle” on His Foolish, Errant Children...Some people need to be more “ Son” Conscience than they are “ Sin” Conscience......Try your best not to sin and when you do, accept a Chastisement that will hopefully teach you not to do it again and then thank God for His Grace and get on with your Walk Of Faith.....Trust God to “ Finish the Good Work That He started”....

 

[DJT_47]

Salvation = saved. Saved from what? Your past sins. So, future sins must be dealt with by repentance such as was done by Simon the sorcerer as cited in Acts 8. He believed and was baptized meaning he was saved, but then sinned and was told to repent or perish.

 

[Behold]

Salvation = saved. Saved from what? Your past sins.

"""Jesus is the one time Sacrifice for sin.""
All of them.

What your cult teaches is....."YOU keep yourself saved as long as you don't forget to confess all your sin".
See that?
That is YOU trying to be the Savior., and that "gospel" rejects the Cross and Paul says of your gospel and those who teach this lie = Galatians 1:8

Try to understand that JESUS saves........ not part time, not once in a while, and not because you try to be good or try to remember all your Sins to confess..

Jesus has dealt with all of the sin of the entire human race. "the world".
Every sin, for everyone.

BUT..... to have this as YOUR SALVATiON, you have to do this...

Jesus said..."you must be BORN AGAIN"., and once you are, then THESE VERSES becomes your eternity.

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 3:15

John 10:28


Listen Reader.

JESUS is eternal Life....Its HIM.
If you have Him in you, then you are born again, and you have eternal life.
To have eternal life, is to be "in Christ".