How to Fail God : by "works".

[amigo de christo]

I am not following how this has to do with me. Are you saying you have not been born of the Spirit?

I would not follow a JW , mormon , RCC and scores of others within much of christendom .
No , not even to burger king .
THEY are being decieved and loving to be deceived . Many love a lie my friend .
A real big ol all inclusive false love fat path broad road lie they think is love and is of GOD and leads to GOD .
ONLY the last time i checked NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH
and IT DARN SURE DONT LEAD TO GOD .

 

[quietthinker]

Caution friend. Accounted Bodily Dead IS a huge “caveat” to Receive one’s Salvation.

Salvation, bought, paid for Offered to manKIND…
To Take the offer Requires “your word of acceptance, your signature on the terms, (caveats)and a hand shake”….. oh wait… that is for a bank loan….

For Taking the offering of Salvation…
Receiving of your Salvation:
Requires your Word of Acceptance and an accounting of your bodily Death!

Souls that are saved, Are Saved immediately After the Accounted Bodily Death.

They “crucified with Jesus Body”…
“Are Saved Then” and bodily resurrected by the Lord…
Rapture.

They “bodily mortally dying” IN Belief, without “bodily death OF crucified with Jesus”…”shall be saved Then” ( physical death )and resurrected by the LORD…
First Resurrection.

God bless you.

Glory to God.
Taken

When your Mother birth's you do you choose life? I don't think so. Life is gifted. Choices (conscious) come into play further down the track and the choice which can be made is death. you cannot choose life because you already have it. (check your heartbeat)

What am I saying? All have been given life in the resurrection of Jesus. Most don't know about it, so you can tell them what has been gifted them. Now they are in a position to choose...but choose what? they already have life gifted so now their active conscious choice can only be death.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Its true that many within Christendom might claim to be born of the Spirit
to have been born again .
BUT FRUITS ARE TELLING THE REAL DEAL my freind and exposing them as , NOT EVEN HAVING THE SPIRIT
at all .
What is the FRUIT of THE SPIRIT
AND WHO DOES the SPIRIT TESTIFY OF
The SPIRIT IS TRUTH and TESTIFIES OF TRUTH , TESTIFIES OF JESUS THE CHRIST
not some broad lovey do road of unbeleif .
And what is the fruit of the SPIRIT
its in all GOODNESS , RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH
TRUTH
Proving what is acceptable TO GOD ALL MIGHTY . not to todays changing generation which darn sure
seems to be accepting WHAT I KNOW GOD DOES NOT
SINS and LIES .

@amigo de christo

 

[quietthinker]

 

[Taken]

When your Mother birth's you do you choose life? I don't think so. Life is gifted. Choices (conscious) come into play further down the track and the choice which can be made is death. you cannot choose life because you already have it. (check your heartbeat)

Sure.
Natural Life; Born Being has no say so in being born.

What am I saying? All have been given life in the resurrection of Jesus. Most don't know about it, so you can tell them what has been gifted them. Now they are in a position to choose...but choose what? they already have life gifted so now their active conscious choice can only be death.

Disagree.
By the Offering of Eternal Spiritual Life;
The Natural born manKind HAS A Choice To:
Accept the Eternal Life Offering
or
Reject the Eternal Life Offering..

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[quietthinker]

Sure.
Natural Life; Born Being has no say so in being born.



Disagree.
By the Offering of Eternal Spiritual Life;
The Natural born manKind HAS A Choice To:
Accept the Eternal Life Offering
or
Reject the Eternal Life Offering..

Glory to God,
Taken

'you must be born again'...Jesus......is not giving a formula to execute but telling us a fact.....a fact that is brought about by God's Spirit......it's comings and goings unknown to human consciousness.....yet we see its effects.

 

[Taken]

'you must be born again'...Jesus......is not giving a formula to execute but telling us a fact.....a fact that is brought about by God's Spirit......it's comings and goings unknown to human consciousness.....yet we see its effects.

Not in Dispute.

Yes … the Caveat / Requirement / Must “be born AGAIN”, to Have an Eternal Spiritual Life With God.

Why, How, When, Who…”IS” born Again, “IS” precisely taught IN Scripture…whereby EVERY mankind of being, can reasonably Learn, Know what Does and does Not Apply to himself…and Why.

God Knows….God Chooses….God Rejects.
Men Discover Choices…men Choose…men Reject.

A Relationship “is” established between A man and God… WHEN both/each Agree to “AND” Fulfill / Do;
THE SAME “requirement / caveats / musts”.

IOW- If only ONE is Freely Willing…the relationship is not Established.

God established… the Offering of His Gifts, the TERMS ( Ifs, Who, How, Why, When )
for earthly men To Receive His Gifts.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

yea rather
HOW to fail GOD
just keep heeding most of all who now lead in even christendom
cause they sure have FAILED HIM and all they do is teach thee how to fail him too
AND GET VERY RICH DOING IT TOO .

 

[Aunty Jane]

Not born again UNTIL PHYSICAL death
i got bad news for that camp
IF ONE IS NOT BORN again before His death
HE WONT LIKE HIS END at HIS DEATH . its known as the second death

May I ask that you read what the Scriptures teach.....?

Eph 1:11-14....ESV
“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

Do you see that word “predestined”? It means something that is planned to take place in the future.

The “sealing with Holy Spirit” was a “guarantee” of their choosing UNTIL they “acquired the possession of it”....so the “sealing” or choosing comes first, but being “born again” i.e. leaving the body of flesh behind and acquiring a new spiritual body that can dwell in the presence of God in the heavenly realm, is what has to happen. Paul said that this happens at their resurrection, which does not take place until Christ’s return. In order to resurrected, one has to be dead.

1 Thess 4:15-17...
“For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.”

You cannot be “born again” in the flesh.....you can be chosen for heavenly life whilst still in the flesh, but that life does not come about until “the coming of the Lord”......you can be chosen, and the holy spirit identifies the ones whom God has chosen as “firstfruits”, so they anticipate their role in heaven, (Rev 14:1-5) but if you think it has already happened, you are mistaken. “Predestined” not is not “born again”.....it is a sealing that comes from God, but is between God and that individual. Not all Christians are heaven bound because God did not create humans to go to heaven...he created us to live right here in paradise on earth, forever.

Who said all Christians have to go to heaven to be saved? The Revelation has God’s purpose fulfilled as he restores all that we lost in the beginning. (Re 21:2-3) He is going to be with “mankind” and he is going to give us back what we never got to enjoy because of Adam.

That is the big picture....all you have is a few dead pixels floating around Jesus......who was just one of many faithful ones mentioned in the Scriptures. He was God’s son, but he was also God’s holy servant. (Acts 4:27) Is God his own servant?

For goodness sake, do some homework....

 

[PS95]

Eph 1:11-14....ESV
“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

Do you see that word “predestined”? It means something that is planned to take place in the future.

The “sealing with Holy Spirit” was a “guarantee” of their choosing UNTIL they “acquired the possession of it”....so the “sealing” or choosing comes first, but being “born again” i.e. leaving the body of flesh behind and acquiring a new spiritual body that can dwell in the presence of God in the heavenly realm, is what has to happen. Paul said that this happens at their resurrection, which does not take place until Christ’s return. In order to resurrected, one has to be dead.

1 Thess 4:15-17...
“For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.”

You cannot be “born again” in the flesh.....you can be chosen for heavenly life whilst still in the flesh, but that life does not come about until “the coming of the Lord”......you can be chosen, and the holy spirit identifies the ones whom God has chosen as “firstfruits”, so they anticipate their role in heaven, (Rev 14:1-5) but if you think it has already happened, you are mistaken. “Predestined” not is not “born again”.....it is a sealing that comes from God, but is between God and that individual. Not all Christians are heaven bound because God did not create humans to go to heaven...he created us to live right here in paradise on earth, forever.

Who said all Christians have to go to heaven to be saved? The Revelation has God’s purpose fulfilled as he restores all that we lost in the beginning. (Re 21:2-3) He is going to be with “mankind” and he is going to give us back what we never got to enjoy because of Adam.

That is the big picture....all you have is a few dead pixels floating around Jesus......who was just one of many faithful ones mentioned in the Scriptures. He was God’s son, but he was also God’s holy servant. (Acts 4:27) Is God his own servant?

For goodness sake, do some homework....

We are born again NOW in this life on earth- NOT AT DEATH.
Please see-

1 John 5:1- Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.​

John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Peter 1:3 -Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1 Peter 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

1 John 4:7- Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

1 John 5:18- We know that no one who has been born of God sins; but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Titus 3:5- He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Christians are born again so we can walk in new life NOW. You would have to wear blinders not to see those many verses!! -we are born again to be empowered by the Spirit so that sin loses it's dominion over us. It is BY God's spirit that we can do anything pleasing to Him. We walk in new life. Our minds are being renewed. When we walk in the Spirit we do not sin! When we walk in the flesh- we will. BEING BORN AGAIN is having God's Holy Spirit in you to guide us, teach us, help us, convict us, comfort us, empower us. This is the Spirit of Christ, of God- the Holy Spirit. We are new creatures- born anew by the Spirit.
We are all at different places in our walk- some mature, some not yet. I do hope and pray that you will see.