When you are born, you are IN.....your name is found IN the Lambs book of life.
Disagree.
When you are born again, your name is still in there....
Still? -Disagree.
Glory to God,
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When you are born, you are IN.....your name is found IN the Lambs book of life.
When you are born again, your name is still in there....
Show me where #1's name was removed. If you say it was never there, what is the point on receiving the message at all? A full Calvinist will claim they cannot even receive the message. This parable says they do, but it never takes root. #1 can still accept and have no fruit at all. You cannot say with unequivocal honesty that God sends a seed, and it returns void. Meaning that person dies in his own sin, just because you say so.So, are you saying that #1 may still be saved? I would say unequivocally, no.
And my point is, for all who DO HAVE the Gift of His Holy Spirit, it is by Him living within us, that we are chosen, aka the Bride, "sealed unto the Day of redemption".Apparently you are into surmising...and putting things together incorrectly. You should just say you can't see what I'm saying. Just as you don't understand everything in the bible.
Christ in you is the HOPE of glory...but not the guarantee of glory. Some will go astray, some will be offended and others will not bear the right kind of fruit...remaining carnal.
It is as we abide IN Christ that we put on the wedding robes.
So you aren't making the distinction between Christ in you...as many have been so called....and you abiding IN Christ which few will ever do. The way is narrow and FEW are they who find it. Why? Because of assumptions and putting together verses incorrectly to make false assumptions.
We are to be called, chosen AND faithful. So the way is not so easy as many might expect.
The guests are many....but the Bride are few. Many are called, few are chosen.
And my point is, for all who DO HAVE the Gift of His Holy Spirit, it is by Him living within us, that we are chosen, aka the Bride, "sealed unto the Day of redemption".
So, if one builds upon the foundation of Christ our Savior, and it all comes to nothing, you believe that they are unchosen?Not at all. You would have to know the difference between...Christ IN you and Christ being FORMED in you.
There is a world of difference between these. MANY are called but FEW are chosen. So then many have the HOPE of glory but few attain to glory. Many have Christ in them as a template...but few have been hammered into the likeness of Christ. That form is Christ that we are to be made into the image of. Like a key being copied from a master key. The key of David.
Think of it as a mold. Christ in you is a mold that you need to suffer and die into...to be hammered into shape the way a blacksmith hammers iron into a pre-existing mold shape.
But this process is very hard. Most can't endure it...especially if they think it's unnecessary. And that's where a sound doctrine comes into play. If you KNOW you need to be conformed to Christ inwardly...then you will endure the chastening and training of the Lord. Otherwise you will resist the Spirit.
So, if one builds upon the foundation of Christ our Savior, and it all comes to nothing, you believe that they are unchosen?
The thief on the cross, who built nothing, would have an argument with you!
1 Cor. 3[11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
That thief obeyed the gospel, and did perform the work of God!
John 6[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
We use this term, "Day of Redemption", but do will truly know what it says?And my point is, for all who DO HAVE the Gift of His Holy Spirit, it is by Him living within us, that we are chosen, aka the Bride, "sealed unto the Day of redemption".
Might be right or wrong - the important matters might be other stuff.Disagree.
Still? -Disagree.
Hi Behold,When you are born, you are IN.....your name is found IN the Lambs book of life.
When you are born again, your name is still in there....
Why do you think that there are two "books of life"? Can you point to the Scriptures that tell us what each is?The book of life. (The obedient to the basic principles of Christ...like the meek)
The book of remembrance (the righteous)
The Lamb's book of life. (saints)
This really does not align with the Biblical doctrine of justification and rebirth.Most believers...if they are fortunate...will be guests at the wedding feast (not the Bride).A very few will actually be the Bride so as to rule with Christ forever over the saved of the nations. (they who are scarcely saved by being written in the book of life)
I think he's trying to figure out where you get your ideas from. Condesending comments aside . . .LOL. I think you are assuming I'm doing what you are doing! I am taught on a whole other level that you would obviously not understand.
Could you show me from that parable how this is so? Where does it speak of someone being written in or blotted out from God's book?Parable of the seed sower.
Actually Biblical "hope" from elpis is not wistful like the American version of hope, rather, well, God has a hope also (Rom 8), and it's not wistful either.Christ in you is the HOPE of glory...but not the guarantee of glory.
Curious . . . do you mean, remaining carnal, is in, unregenerate? Or remaining carnal, as in, acting in a fleshy way?Some will go astray, some will be offended and others will not bear the right kind of fruit...remaining carnal.
But this process is very hard. Most can't endure it...especially if they think it's unnecessary. And that's where a sound doctrine comes into play.
I don't accept your premise, entirely, that all names are in the Book of Life, from the outset. To me, these Books that God and the prophets reference, are metaphors to denote one's ascription into salvation. God's infinite knowledge, wisdom and foresight, does not require any type of ledger or record keeper. There are neither any books in heaven, nor shelves nor filing cabinets, ...besides, if He needed to record anything, he'd probably use a laptop or tablet (facetious, you get my point).Show me where #1's name was removed. If you say it was never there, what is the point on receiving the message at all? A full Calvinist will claim they cannot even receive the message. This parable says they do, but it never takes root. #1 can still accept and have no fruit at all. You cannot say with unequivocal honesty that God sends a seed, and it returns void. Meaning that person dies in his own sin, just because you say so.
I was surprised myself, glad you said it!This is actually true. I'm surprised that a binary fundamentalist can see that.
The Books are figurative, they do not exist by necessity. I'm pasting my previous post to timtofly.Could you show me from that parable how this is so? Where does it speak of someone being written in or blotted out from God's book?
Much love!
How about once lost, always lost?I don't accept your premise, entirely, that all names are in the Book of Life, from the outset. To me, these Books that God and the prophets reference, are metaphors to denote one's ascription into salvation. God's infinite knowledge, wisdom and foresight, does not require any type of ledger or record keeper. There are neither any books in heaven, nor shelves nor filing cabinets, ...besides, if He needed to record anything, he'd probably use a laptop or tablet (facetious, you get my point).
So, I don't predicate my argument, based on there being a tangible record of all humans ever created, for one. And two, that as time goes on, names are erased, crossed-out, wite-out, scribbled over, pasted on top of, etc.. in order for God to reference at a later time. (facetious, you get the point).
I do not believe in 'once saved, always saved', or the majority of Reformed Theology, if that clarifies anything?