I ask the Trinitarians and the Jehovah's Witnesses...

[DNB]

Christ's title of Immanuel is a title of definition of His Mission as The Saviour. NONE of God's titles debase Him into some man that had sin or could have sin. This fact alone is what defines the title Immanu-el (God with us), because it is about God The Son being born in the flesh like us through woman's womb, and being without sin, and thus having the Power to forgive our sins.

NO other flesh born man can do that, which is why Jesus is God The Saviour which The Father sent. And that function is what is tied forever to His name Immanuel, because God was manifested in the flesh as The Saviour, and that is about Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ.

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
KJV

Anyone who denies that Jesus of Nazareth is God The Saviour is an antichrist, because they have not believed on the ONLY Begotten Son Whom The Father sent to die on the cross as the Perfect Sacrifice for one and all time, forgiving the sins of those who believe.

Any flesh-born man can do whatever God has entitled and empowered him to do.
Anyone who deifies Jesus Christ, a mere man, is an antichrist, for he has denied the son. He will not accept the love that the Father has for His preeminent creature, unless that this creature is God himself. Thus, completely bastardizing and annihilating the principle of Son and God's love.

 

[DNB]

That is something else you apparently are not understanding. God is NOT the author of the concept of death.

Heb 2:14-15
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
KJV

Rev 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
KJV

Rev 21:4
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
KJV

Only in this present world are those who believe on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ subject to the concept of death, and that only to our flesh which is temporal anyway. In the world to come, only those who are still rebellious against The Father and His Son will still be subject to the concept of death, i.e., the "second death". When those rebellious with the devil are destroyed, then death and hell is destroyed with them, and death will be no more.

Hard to imagine the idea of death no longer existing, isn't it?

It's because the concept of death did NOT exist with God in the beginning. Satan caused it when he sinned against God in the old world prior to this world. That's why the power of death has been assigned to the devil like Hebrews 2 shows. This is why God The Son came in the flesh to die on the cross; by that He defeated the devil and death for us.

That is something else that you are entirely not understanding. In the very beginning, before man had defied God and had sinned, God said to man, '...the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die...'. God is the author of life and death, well before the notion of death was ever present in the minds of man. Even the concept of the Tree of Life, denotes that God had established the principle of life and death well before the thought had ever crossed man's mind. The devil has no power, to either give or take life, unless God establishes and permits it.
Death has no power on God, because God controls it, therefore, God dying on a cross is meaningless, inefficacious and impotent.

 

[Cooper]

all men are made of spirit and flesh, we are all in God's image, no other creature on earth has this endowment. This is how we discern right from wrong. You haven't clarified anything, and by trying to defend your god-man theory you are getting your ontologies confused.

We are body and spirit that is true, but we do not have the Creator's spirit from whom all life flows in this world and in the next. Only Jesus who raised the dead has power over sin and death, and only he can grant eternal life in heavens glory.
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[mjrhealth]

I am amazed at your pessimism regarding the Lord. If people will listen and follow amen, if not, it is their life.
The great thing in the Lord is we are to encourage those who desire to walk with Him, and the rest one day will face Him.

You talk as if the Kingdom is defeated and affected by the lost when rather our concern is with Jesus and His ways. The lost are like leaves on a river, one day here the next gone. We can but shine our light, and praise the Lord. God bless you.

Pessimism, Jesus warned that many would fall away, if suggesting people find Christ for them selves is a bad thing than what is a good thing, listening to the fables of men.

 

[Cooper]

That is something else that you are entirely not understanding. In the very beginning, before man had defied God and had sinned, God said to man, '...the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die...'. God is the author of life and death, well before the notion of death was ever present in the minds of man. Even the concept of the Tree of Life, denotes that God had established the principle of life and death well before the thought had ever crossed man's mind. The devil has no power, to either give or take life, unless God establishes and permits it.
Death has no power on God, because God controls it, therefore, God dying on a cross is meaningless, inefficacious and impotent.

The fact that God paid the death penality for our sins is very significant. It means HE paid the penalty for what we have done, so that we shall have eternal life.

 

[Cooper]

Any flesh-born man can do whatever God has entitled and empowered him to do.
Anyone who deifies Jesus Christ, a mere man, is an antichrist, for he has denied the son. He will not accept the love that the Father has for His preeminent creature, unless that this creature is God himself. Thus, completely bastardizing and annihilating the principle of Son and God's love.

Are you saying Jesus Christ is a mere man? Be honest now.

 

[DNB]

We are body and spirit that is true, but we do not have the Creator's spirit from whom all life flows in this world and in the next. Only Jesus who raised the dead has power over sin and death, and only he can grant eternal life in heavens glory.
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Both Elijah & Elishah, Peter & Paul, and many other disciples raised the dead, and performed greater miracles than Christ. These manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit, categorically do not imply divinity. You are talking idly and frivolously, ascribing attributes to Christ that just aren't warranted. You trinitarians constantly do this, defend your cause with unqualified, incorrect and biased exegesis, that is, eisegesis.

 

[DNB]

The fact that God paid the death penality for our sins is very significant. It means HE paid the penalty for what we have done, so that we shall have eternal life.

Cooper, you're sounding extremely incompetent and childish right now. I keep giving you fundamental reasons why all your predicates cannot be so, and all you do is just keep repeating yourself, and going in circles. We are attempting to prove why it is impossible for God to either, die, propitiate Himself, or give hope for man if all that He has to done to date, is raised Himself from the grave, ...an absurd notion in and of itself.
You keep just talking nonsense, and your post that I quoted above was utterly shallow and meaningless. You made an unfathomable assertion, and made no attempt to explicate the glaring and blatant incongruity - God cannot die, nor sacrifice Himself to Himself.

 

[farouk]

Hebrews 1 tells us of the Lord Jesus: 'Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever'.

 

[DNB]

Are you saying Jesus Christ is a mere man? Be honest now.

Don't you fliipin' tell me to be honest, buddy, I've been nothing but forthright, audacious and explicitly clear with all my beliefs on every single post.
For crying out flippin' loud, if you haven't got it yet, NO, Jesus Christ is nothing but a mere man, a creature, there is not an iota of divinity or eternality within him.
He is the Messiah, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, the first-born of all creation, and the first-born from the dead. God's precedential and pre-eminent creation.

 

[Marymog]

An name calling makes you right,... so much ignorance.

Lol....You have called me many names. Soooo now when it happens to you you are offended?

 

[mjrhealth]

Lol....You have called me many names. Soooo now when it happens to you you are offended?

Nah, religous folk are like bad commedians, not very funny

 

[Marymog]

Nah, religous folk are like bad commedians, not very funny

Better to not be funny than a hypocrite. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[mjrhealth]

Better to not be funny than a hypocrite. Wouldn’t you agree?

But than Mary, you would have to realize you are a hypocrite and not many do.

 

[farouk]

Both Elijah & Elishah, Peter & Paul, and many other disciples raised the dead, and performed greater miracles than Christ. These manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit, categorically do not imply divinity. You are talking idly and frivolously, ascribing attributes to Christ that just aren't warranted. You trinitarians constantly do this, defend your cause with unqualified, incorrect and biased exegesis, that is, eisegesis.

The New Testament is full of God in Three Persons, end of Matt. 28, John's Gospel, esp. chapters 13 thru 17, Romans 8, John's First Epistle, etc. It's truly full of the great doctrine of God in Three Persons.

 

[Davy]

Any flesh-born man can do whatever God has entitled and empowered him to do.

That statement suggests that ANYONE born in the flesh can become their OWN Christ. That is a doctrine of the OCCULTISTS. They believe that. That's why they refuse to admit Jesus of Nazareth as GOD The Son, God having been born in the flesh, and being TOTALLY WITHOUT SIN. That is why ALL born in the flesh need Jesus of Nazareth, because HE ONLY was without sin, whereas the rest of us ALL are guilty of sin, as we were ALL concluded under sin; but not HIM.

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

And for this reason God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ to die on the cross for us, for the remission of sins FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE ON HIM. That is why ONLY HE was perfect and without sin, and is ABLE to forgive our sins, and none other can.

This is also why Apostle John in 1 John 2 reveals that those who refuse to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ are thus antichrists, because they have denied The Son. And you can't have The Father without The Son, Apostle John further shows there.

Anyone who deifies Jesus Christ, a mere man, is an antichrist, for he has denied the son. He will not accept the love that the Father has for His preeminent creature, unless that this creature is God himself. Thus, completely bastardizing and annihilating the principle of Son and God's love.

What you have just said there is blasphemy, because you simply REVERSED what Apostle John said in 1 John 2.

1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

You deny The Son, thus you do NOT have The Father either, making you an antichrist.

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
KJV

How can I say that you deny The Son? Your statements denying the Deity of Christ Jesus is one of your main giveaways. No flesh can save anyone. So if you say Jesus was not God come in the flesh, then you are saying anyone's flesh can save, and that we don't actually need Jesus Christ. Your statement that any flesh-born man can do whatever God gives to do is also a betrayal against Jesus Christ, because by that you debase Jesus of Nazareth down to prophet status only, and not The Son of God, God The Saviour.

 

[Davy]

That is something else that you are entirely not understanding. In the very beginning, before man had defied God and had sinned, God said to man, '...the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die...'. God is the author of life and death, well before the notion of death was ever present in the minds of man. Even the concept of the Tree of Life, denotes that God had established the principle of life and death well before the thought had ever crossed man's mind. The devil has no power, to either give or take life, unless God establishes and permits it.
Death has no power on God, because God controls it, therefore, God dying on a cross is meaningless, inefficacious and impotent.

You don't know your Bible. The sin in God's Garden by Adam and Eve was not the very first sin.

1 John 3:8
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
KJV

Jesus, The Son of God, was ordained as The Saviour from the foundation of this world. That means PRIOR to Adam and Eve's sin. He was ordained because of what Satan did in the world before Adam and Eve.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ever play dodge ball? Well if you guys have not....you are now playing scriptural dodge ball. One person picks up a ball of scriptures and throws it at the other. But even if it hits them, in this game he or she is not out. They just pick up a different color ball of scriptures and throw it back at them. Since the ball scriptures do not convince anyone, then, this game can go on forever.

Shouldn't you be asking yourself a few questions? Why can this go on forever? Why does the other fellow have scriptures from the Bible that he can throw back at me.

There is a joke about how to frustrate a stupid person. (The joke use to be about pollacks, but I fell in love with the polls and now i do not tell jokes about them anymore.) Anyway, the joke goes like this...how do you frustrate a stupid person? The answer is wait until they have to pee real bad and put them in a round room and tell them that they can only pee in the corner.

And yes, this relates to you people. If do not catch on to the fact that the wiser question is; Why does the scriptures seem to support both sides? Then you are the guys running around holding your wee-wee.

But don't let me stop you....Run Forest Run!

 

[DNB]

The New Testament is full of God in Three Persons, end of Matt. 28, John's Gospel, esp. chapters 13 thru 17, Romans 8, John's First Epistle, etc. It's truly full of the great doctrine of God in Three Persons.

Your using terminologies that are not even found in the Bible. That's your first folly, ...so far.

 

[farouk]

Your using terminologies that are not even found in the Bible. That's your first folly, ...so far.

We don't agree on Scripture, evidently.