I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

[Earburner]

I taught that God incarnated in flesh for about 35 years.

I now think that God did not become a man, but that a man(Jesus Christ, a redo of the 1st Adam) was made God after the resurrection and subsequent Col 2:9 effect on his post resurrection(quickening spirit) body.

Your thoughts, arguments and comments much welcome here....

1 John 2[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
IOWs, to deny the Father is to deny the Son, and to deny the Son is to deny the Father.

Let the above be clarified in the following:
John 10[30] I and my Father are one.

John 14[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 17[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

 

[ScottA]

The problem is thousands of denominations or creeds in the last 2000 years posing as The Church.

All because they seek hypothetical points of view.

Like I said..."of this world."

 

[ScottA]

Question to all.

Did God become a man or did God become a microscopic embryo?

Are you asking, or making a statement?

 

[Truther]

Are you asking, or making a statement?

Asking your opinion

 

[Truther]

1 John 2[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
IOWs, to deny the Father is to deny the Son, and to deny the Son is to deny the Father.

Let the above be clarified in the following:
John 10[30] I and my Father are one.

John 14[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 17[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Right. There are 2. A divine Father and a human son.

Are they one single person or unified as one?

Right, the Father is inside the son.

Easy answers

 

[Truther]

No, I gave you Scripture which is True compared to 'your' creed.

I have no creed.
I can prove to you my thought just by quoting scripture and zero commentary.

Want to see?

 

[Earburner]

Right. There are 2. A divine Father and a human son.

Are they one single person or unified as one?

Right, the Father is inside the son.

Easy answers

If its that easy, then why did you not understand what I pointed out?
"He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
IOWs, to deny the Father is to deny the Son, and to deny the Son is to deny the Father."

Individually, both are equally God as one person.
We see that in the description by Jesus, of who the Comforter/Holy Spirit is:
John 14
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[101G]

So you deny Jesus’ description of Himself as the son of man?

GINOLJC, TO ALL,
did you not read my posts? the son of God came by Mary, but the Son of Man came from heaven. once more,

#1. the son of God, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
son of God is "born" of Mary, "flesh and bone with blood.

#2. Son of man. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". the Son of man came by no one but himself. the son of man is not born, but "GIVEN, supportive scripture,
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

the child that was "born", flesh, bone, and blood is the son of God. but what WHICH was "given", is not born, is the "spirit", from heaven, the son of man.

hope this is clear on where I stand.

PICJAG.

 

[Earburner]

GINOLJC, TO ALL,
did you not read my posts? the son of God came by Mary, but the Son of Man came from heaven. once more,

Don't you mean that to be said in the reverse:
"the son of man (flesh) came by Mary, but the Son of God came from heaven (Holy Spirit)"

 

[Truther]

GINOLJC, TO ALL,
did you not read my posts? the son of God came by Mary, but the Son of Man came from heaven. once more,

#1. the son of God, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
son of God is "born" of Mary, "flesh and bone with blood.

#2. Son of man. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". the Son of man came by no one but himself. the son of man is not born, but "GIVEN, supportive scripture,
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

the child that was "born", flesh, bone, and blood is the son of God. but what WHICH was "given", is not born, is the "spirit", from heaven, the son of man.

hope this is clear on where I stand.

PICJAG.

The son of man came by heaven?
This means the Father is a man.
Not cool

 

[Truther]

Don't you mean that to be said in the reverse:
"the son of man (flesh) came by Mary, but the Son of God came from heaven (Holy Spirit)"

Yes.
He is both son of man and son of God. Mary and God.

 

[Earburner]

Yes.
He is both son of man and son of God. Mary and God.

Amen!

 

[Earburner]

Yes.
He is both son of man and son of God. Mary and God.

BTW, which is the same for we who are "born again" of His Holy Spirit.
For me now, its "Earburner" and God.
I trust that the same holds true for you!

 

[Truther]

BTW, which is the same for we who are "born again" of His Holy Spirit.
For me now, its "Earburner" and God.
I trust that the same holds true for you!

It does. But we are not the only begotten son of God.
We are adopted.

 

[Earburner]

It does. But we are not the only begotten son of God.
We are adopted.

Correct!
Rom. 8[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 

[Earburner]

What took place in way Jesus was born in the flesh, is now the reverse for us.
> He was Spirit made to flesh.
> And now by faith in Him, we are flesh made to be Spirit.

 

[Earburner]

^ Correction:
What took place in the way.

Spirit made to be flesh.

 

[ScottA]

Question to all.

Did God become a man or did God become a microscopic embryo?

Neither, really. He created an "image", a revelation.

 

[101G]

Don't you mean that to be said in the reverse:
"the son of man (flesh) came by Mary, but the Son of God came from heaven (Holy Spirit)"

first thanks for your reply, but nope. if you have scripture that say different please post them.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Yes.
He is both son of man and son of God. Mary and God.

ERROR, the Flesh is not the Person, it only house the Person in it. the only thing the flesh do is inherit the idenity of the person in it.

PICJAG