I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

[David in NJ]

@GRACE ambassador

1 John 2:21 - "no lie is of the truth"

Zero negativity towards the 'rapture' whereas there will be rebuke towards human conjecture that undermines God's words.

The 'rapture' cannot and will not occur until the Second Coming of Christ and the Resurrection = SEE 1 Thess 4:13-18

The 'Blessed Hope' is not the rapture but HIS COMING = SEE Hebrews 9:28, Titus 2:11-15 and 1 John 3:1-3

JESUS is our 'Blessed Hope' = 1 Thessalonians 1:10

Return to Truth, Genesis = Chicken before the egg

 

[rebuilder 454]

Brother marks,

i will always warn my Brethren that 'pre-trib rapture' is a LIE and only causes division.

Pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth of God = Matt ch24 and Mat 4:4 and 1 John ch2 and 2 Thess ch2 and 1 Cor ch15

God spoke Post-Trib Second Coming from the very beginning = Genesis

Everyone who has been persuaded by the doctrines of men with pre-trib should drop it like a hot potato and return to the Scriptures.

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Your deal is man made and has no verses.
Post for us a postrib rapture verse.

 

[David in NJ]

There is a logical explanation as to why there are so many views _ yet we are all guided by the Holy Spirit. His end time plan is mysterious and the order of events are uncertain because He planned it that way. Every generation needed to have this sense of imminency of His return, and readiness. The 1st century disciples believed this as we believe it now, though the ducks seemed to be more lined up in this generation.
"The day and the hour ... only the Father knows", was how a Galilean wedding was planned. Jesus was from Galilee and so used that frame of reference. The parable of the ten virgins teaches us to be ready.

The Galilean Bride and Groom were betrothed a year before their wedding. They knew close to the week when they were to be ready. All the prepararions were made and during that week they were dressed, ready to go, ( with enough oil in their candles); and even went to bed that way, anticipating to receive the announcement at any time. The Father knew the day and the hour only. He would then tell his Son, go get your Bride and in excitement he rised up and went outside and blew the trumpet as he walked through the town. Everyone needed to be ready. The wedding party, brides maids and guests heard the shofar sounds and got up quickly to join the procession through town. The Groom arrived at his Brides home and she was ready and beautiful. They lift her up ( as if raptured and some used the expression "flown") and she is carried to the Father's house. Everyone enters and then the door is shut. If you weren't ready, you missed out. The ceremony and feast lasted a week.

That said, likey the Trumpets are blown quickly, so the events are accumulative, they take time to unfold. Though they are written down one at a time, it doesn't mean they can't all be released quickly. The Bowls could be released quickly as well. So before the devastation actually is fully realized, we could be taken up.
I still believe the 7th Trumpet is the last.

Acts tells us why there are so many views.

Logic tells us there should not be many views.

Wisdom seeks to discover the correct view.

Truth validates the One View.

 

[David in NJ]

Your deal is man made and has no verses.
Post for us a postrib rapture verse.

Your arrow fell short of the Target and went into the dirt.

Good Morning

 

[rebuilder 454]

Any post that begins this way I discount right out of the gate, and I'm hardly inclined to continue.

Much love!

Yes
Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word.
Most all postribs carry the debate into personal smears and attacks.
I have debated them for years.
I have never seen one postrib rapture verse. None.
They simply can not go "concept vs concept". They will go personal. I believe that they see me and pretribbers with such contempt and hatred. They Idea of a pretrib rapture offends them and THAT IS their beginning point.
They fail every time in that dynamic.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes
Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word.
Most all postribs carry the debate into personal smears and attacks.
I have debated them for years.
I have never seen one postrib rapture verse. None.
They simply can not go "concept vs concept". They will go personal. I believe that they see me and pretribbers with such contempt and hatred. They Idea of a pretrib rapture offends them and THAT IS their beginning point.
They fail every time in that dynamic.

@rebuilder 454 says: "Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word."

Are you a man who keeps his own words?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your arrow fell short of the Target and went into the dirt.

Good Morning

You think a grown man such as myself is here to make fun of your picture of your family???
I got a bible.
drop the insults and games.
I got time ..post one verse .

 

[David in NJ]

@marks

Do you agree and hold to this statement: "Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word."

 

[David in NJ]

You think a grown man such as myself is here to make fun of your picture of your family???
I got a bible.
drop the insults and games.
I got time ..post one verse .

Do you even realize what you just said here?

How it exposed your heart................."out of the heart a man speaks"

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454 says: "Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word."

Are you a man who keeps his own words?

Waiting on a verse.
One postrib rapture verse.
This is a forum.
Lets go. Concept vs concept.
I need no insults to debate you.
You will go against the bible every time friend. That is my position. Post verses so you can harmonize them, or go against the bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

@marks

Do you agree and hold to this statement: "Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word."

Just take the high ground.
You made all kinds of insults against pretribbers, so post a verse showing a postrib rapture.
Teach us,
Should be easy.

 

[rebuilder 454]

@GRACE ambassador

1 John 2:21 - "no lie is of the truth"

Zero negativity towards the 'rapture' whereas there will be rebuke towards human conjecture that undermines God's words.

The 'rapture' cannot and will not occur until the Second Coming of Christ and the Resurrection = SEE 1 Thess 4:13-18

The 'Blessed Hope' is not the rapture but HIS COMING = SEE Hebrews 9:28, Titus 2:11-15 and 1 John 3:1-3

JESUS is our 'Blessed Hope' = 1 Thessalonians 1:10

Return to Truth, Genesis = Chicken before the egg

We see him gathering his elect in rev 14 MID TRB.
So your "rapture at his coming " is true.
He comes more than once as the bible says.
Which you omit.
But i do understand you need to reframe the word.
I totally understand.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Brother marks,

i will always warn my Brethren that 'pre-trib rapture' is a LIE and only causes division.

Pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth of God = Matt ch24 and Mat 4:4 and 1 John ch2 and 2 Thess ch2 and 1 Cor ch15

God spoke Post-Trib Second Coming from the very beginning = Genesis

Everyone who has been persuaded by the doctrines of men with pre-trib should drop it like a hot potato and return to the Scriptures.

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Then post a postrib rapture verse.

Ok any postribber. Post me a verse.

 

[David in NJ]

Just take the high ground.
You made all kinds of insults against pretribbers, so post a verse showing a postrib rapture.
Teach us,
Should be easy.

You have started off on the satanic road = falsely accusing.

This is not a insult = pre-trib is a lie exposed by God in His word

The lie of 'pre-trib' produces even more lies = "He comes more than once as the bible says."

In order to prevent human conjecture from causing division in our midst, we must submit to "It is written" = Prov 30:5-6

JESUS gave us a direct statement of fact = Post-Trib

Can you please post a direct statement from JESUS that says: "I will rapture my Church BEFORE my Second Coming"

 

[David in NJ]

We see him gathering his elect in rev 14 MID TRB.
So your "rapture at his coming " is true.
He comes more than once as the bible says.
Which you omit.
But i do understand you need to reframe the word.
I totally understand.

Revelation recycles/replays the Event of His Second Coming in a series of 7 which is the Signature of God.

Chapter 14 is in Harmony with Gospel and Acts and 1 Thessalonians and is CLEARLY Post-Trib

 

[David in NJ]

Just take the high ground.
You made all kinds of insults against pretribbers, so post a verse showing a postrib rapture.
Teach us,
Should be easy.

JESUS gave us a direct statement of fact = Post-Trib = Matthew ch24

Can you please post a direct statement from JESUS that declares: "I will rapture my Church BEFORE my Second Coming"

 

[amigo de christo]

Good Morning keithr,

Yes, i do consider the "water to blood".
Moses is a possibility.

There is strong evidence points to Enoch.

Well it wont be moses . For it is appointed unto men to die once . As far as enoch and elijah , I have zero idea .
But i do know this , WE IN THE LAST DAYS and PERILIOUS TIMES WILL COME for men and churches have become lovers of
their own selves .

 

[David in NJ]

CLEAR 'pre-trib' rapture verse(s) ???

Unable to find even one?

Return to TRUTH = Beginning with Genesis

 

[amigo de christo]

CLEAR 'pre-trib' rapture verse(s) ???

Unable to find even one?

Return to TRUTH = Beginning with Genesis

and yet i can find many that point to the fact we will have tribulations in this world .
To the fact that JESUS ONLY COMES ONE TIME . ITs one time event .
TO DELIVER the WRATH OF GOD upon all who denied Him .

 

[David in NJ]

@marks,

Good Morning,

@rebuilder 454 has made a challenge to us ="Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word."

i am not sure that he is willing to keep it though..........