If Baptism could save then there is no need for the shed Blood of Jesus.

[mailmandan]

Receiving the Holy Spirit...

When did these Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:43-47? Before or after baptism?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wrong...


37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



....in order to obtain the remission of sins.

Baptism is a burial.

You, Dan the mailman, bury folks alive.

Your reading a flawed inglish translation

The origional did not state this,

 

[Cristo Rei]

When did these Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:43-47? Before or after baptism?

In that passage the gentiles first received the Holy Spirit then got baptized... Why?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If faith alone could save then there is no need for the shed Blood of Jesus

Wrong

it’s faith alone IN the shed blood of Jesus that saves.

people who have faith in Jesus plus works, place equal faith in their works as they place in Jesus, this takes glory away fro Christ and puts it on the worker as he boasts of his work, even if the worker has no comprehension that this is what he is doing

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's an interesting verse from Acts... I've never recalled it... Peter is telling them to repent, be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

It supports the view that we don't need to do anything to be saved...

Actually peter is telling them to,repent, and on account of being redeemed based on your repentance, be baptized,

acts 2:39:supports that view, in that all who believed and received the gift, were baptized

 

[Cristo Rei]

Wrong

Then its just as wrong as the title of this thread... LoL...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Receiving the Holy Spirit...

Yes, in language, the gift of the spirit points only to repenting, not to baptism, they are different types of words.

repent and gift of the Holy Spirit is a command and promise given to everyone

be baptized unto remission of sin is a command only given to individuals. Unto remmision tells us who those individuals are

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then its just as wrong as the title of this thread... LoL...

Well the title of this thread does sort of make sense

but faith without the shed blood, that does not make any sense, What would your faith be in?

 

[CadyandZoe]

If Baptism could save then there is no need for the shed Blood of Jesus.

Here is how I look at it, which I believe is taught in the New Testament.

Consider two parties or two people who are mad at each other. What will it take for them to make peace and reconcile? Each party has a grievance against the other and the only way to for them to reestablish a friendly relationship again is if both parties are willing to forgive each other.

Consider the case of God and man. Both of them are standing back-to-back unwilling to turn around and face each other. God makes the first move. Jesus volunteers to be crucified as a demonstration of God's wrath against sin. Romans 3:21-26 In this way, the cross becomes the means for our reconciliation with God. Romans 5:6-11

But reconciliation can't take place unless BOTH parties are willing to conciliate. Now that God has made overtures toward man, we must now demonstrate our wish to reconcile with God through repentance, confession, honesty, gratitude, and loyalty to Jesus Christ. Those who receive the rite of Baptism agree that sins are worthy of death and that one must die in order to be born anew. Baptism is a sign of the faith and trust that the penitent already had before being baptized.

No, Baptism by itself doesn't save. God reconciled with sinners while we were still his enemies, but he saves those who resolve to crucify the enmity with God through repentance, turning to God for grace and mercy.

 

[mailmandan]

In that passage the gentiles first received the Holy Spirit then got baptized... Why?

Exactly right. Believed, received the Holy Spirit, saved, then water baptism followed.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Well the title of this thread does sort of make sense

but faith without the shed blood, that does not make any sense, What would your faith be in?

I don't claim to know for sure... There are passages to support every view...
I don't know how anyone can be so certain of one view or another... I was just wondering if we had to do anything to be saved considering we are chosen, predestined...

But im baptized, i believe in Christ and i repent... So im covered which ever way you look at it... And concerning deeds... Do we want to approach the Lord with good deeds or bad deeds? The answer is obvious to me...

 

[Mungo]

This thread is getting rrdiculous and is going round in circles.
I'm wasting no more time on it - I'm opting out.
God bless you all.

 

[Cristo Rei]

One thing i do believe is that we get saved after we die...

What is the supporting scripture for the belief that we are saved before we die?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

One thing i do believe is that we get saved after we die...

What is the supporting scripture for the belief that we are saved before we die?

“Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls”

Many believe that their souls are saved at the beginning of their faith; an error indeed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls”

Many believe that their souls are saved at the beginning of their faith; an error indeed.

That’s a mistake?

if it is we all need to live there n fear because nothing is gauranteed

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if it is we all need to live there n fear because nothing is gauranteed

The admonition of Paul inspired by God confirms, “Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee”.

Jesus also confirms, “Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him”.

Because “by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil”, as the scripture says.

 

[Truther]

Hi @Truther;

What do you make of Mark 1:4?

LiC,

@justbyfaith.

John preached remission of sins, but spoke of the lamb to provide remission of sins.

Jesus died to provide actual remission of sins years after John died.

 

[Truther]

False. In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

John clearly said "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3) Peter said "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.." So you are saying that "for the remission of sins" only saves when you attach "in the name of Jesus Christ" to it? Whatever baptism is "for" in Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3 it's also for in Acts 2:38. In both cases baptism is “in regards to/on the basis of” the remission of sins received upon repentance and not in order to obtain the remission of sins. In Matthew 3:11, they were baptized with water for (in regards to/on the basis of) repentance and not in order to obtain repentance. You doctrine is inconsistent.

The reason why these disciples of John were re-baptized after Pentecost was because when Paul asked them in verse 2 if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed, their answer in verse 3 reveals that they were not yet believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed. Paul gave them instructions about Jesus and after they believed Paul's presentation of the gospel and came to saving faith in Christ, they were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit (which was not the case in Acts 2 and Acts 10 and is the exception, not the rule).

LOL!

You skipped the middle of Acts 2:38....and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins....


I caught ya!

 

[Truther]

There are plenty of unbelievers who have been water baptized, especially those who attend various false religions and cults that merely "claim" to be Christian. Now such people may believe "mental assent" in the existence and in historical facts about Jesus, including that His death, burial and resurrection "happened," yet such people fail to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16) These "nominal" Christians trust in works for salvation (and not in Christ alone) and fall short of saving belief.

No, you are judging the hearts.

The baptized folks fall under the category of the sower.

The wayside, stony, thorny and good ground folks.

You are saying the folks that don't walk with God after baptism are some other unmentioned ground type that Jesus never described.

 

[Truther]

The rope?

repent is the rope?

Because acts 2:38 Says to repent and you will be given the gift of the spirit,

repenting would be like a drowning person who tells the rescuer no, he does not want to be rescued, he loves where he is, he does not see his danger, and will continue to flounder until he dies, who changes his mind, because he sees he is hopeless and says yes, please rescue me, and allows the rescuer to PULL him out of the water to safety,

baptism would occur after, it would be like the man saying go and wash yourself and tell thenworld what happened here today so if they can Realize they are drowning tool and possibly by your testimony they will say yes also.

Acts 2:38 says more than repent.

Did you know that or does your mind block it out?

let's take a closer look....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.