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  1. Philip James

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    Hello Friends of Jesus,

    As no one can believe what the Catholic teaches, without having faith in Jesus, your assertions are contradictory.

    616 It is love "to the end"that confers on Christ's sacrifice its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered his life. Now "the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died."No man, not even the holiest, was ever able to take on himself the sins of all men and offer himself as a sacrifice for all. the existence in Christ of the divine person of the Son, who at once surpasses and embraces all human persons, and constitutes himself as the Head of all mankind, makes possible his redemptive sacrifice for all.

    Pax et Bonum!
     
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    On Christmas Day 2021, Pope Francis delivered his “Urbi et Orbi” address and blessing from the central balcony overlooking St. Peter’s Square. The following is the full text of the pope’s Christmas message.

    Dear brothers and sisters, Happy Christmas!

    The Word of God, who created the world and who gives meaning to history and to humanity’s journey, became flesh and came to dwell among us. He came like a whisper, like the murmur of a gentle breeze, to fill with wonder the heart of every man and woman who is open to this mystery.

    The Word became flesh in order to dialogue with us. God does not desire to carry on a monologue, but a dialogue. For God himself, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is dialogue, an eternal and infinite communion of love and life.

    By the coming of Jesus, the Person of the Word made flesh, into our world, God showed us the way of encounter and dialogue. Indeed, he made that way incarnate in himself, so that we might know it and follow it, in trust and hope.

    Sisters and brothers, “what would our world be like without the patient dialogue of the many generous persons who keep families and communities together?” (Fratelli Tutti, 198). In this time of pandemic, we have come to realize this more and more. Our capacity for social relationships is sorely tried; there is a growing tendency to withdraw, to do it all by ourselves, to stop making an effort to encounter others and do things together. On the international level too, there is the risk of avoiding dialogue, the risk that this complex crisis will lead to taking shortcuts rather than setting out on the longer paths of dialogue. Yet only those paths can lead to the resolution of conflicts and to lasting benefits for all.

    Indeed, even as the message of the birth of the Saviour, the source of true peace, resounds in our hearts and in the whole world, we continue to witness a great number of conflicts, crises and disagreements. These never seem to end; by now we hardly even notice them. We have become so used to them that immense tragedies are now being passed over in silence; we risk not hearing the cry of pain and distress of so many of our brothers and sisters.

    Let us think of the people of Syria, who for more than a decade have experienced a war that has resulted in many victims and an untold number of displaced persons. Let us look to Iraq, which still struggles to recover from a lengthy conflict. Let us listen to the cry of children arising from Yemen, where an enormous tragedy, overlooked by everyone, has silently gone on for years, causing deaths every day.

    Let us recall, too, the continuing tensions between Israelis and Palestinians that drag on without a resolution, with ever more serious social and political consequences. Nor should we forget Bethlehem, the place of Jesus’ birth, which is experiencing hardship also from the economic repercussions of the pandemic, preventing pilgrims from visiting the Holy Land and adversely affecting the life of the people. Let us think of Lebanon, which is undergoing an unprecedented crisis, accompanied by very troubling economic and social conditions.

    Yet, in the heart of the night, look! The sign of hope! Today, “the Love that moves the sun and the other stars” (Paradiso, XXXIII, 145), as Dante says, became flesh. He came in human form, he shared in our plight and he broke down the wall of our indifference. In the cold of the night, he stretches out his tiny arms towards us: he is in need of everything, yet he comes to give us everything. Let us ask him for the strength to be open to dialogue. On this festive day, let us implore him to stir up in the hearts of everyone a yearning for reconciliation and fraternity. Let us now turn to him in prayer.

    Baby Jesus, grant peace and concord to the Middle East and the whole world. Sustain all those who provide humanitarian aid to peoples forced to flee from their homelands; comfort the Afghan people, who for more than forty years have been sorely tested by conflicts that have driven many to leave the country.

    King of all peoples, help political authorities bring peace to societies roiled by tension and conflict. Sustain the people of Myanmar, where intolerance and violence not infrequently target the Christian community and its places of worship, clouding the peaceful countenance of that people.

    Be a source of light and support for all those who believe in and strive, despite all obstacles, to advance encounter and dialogue. In Ukraine, prevent fresh outbreaks of a long-festering conflict.

    Prince of Peace, help Ethiopia to find once again the path of reconciliation and peace through a forthright encounter that places the needs of the people above all else. Listen to the plea of those living in the Sahel region, who experience the violence of international terrorism. Turn your gaze to the peoples of the countries of North Africa, tormented by divisions, unemployment and economic inequality. Alleviate the pain of our many brothers and sisters who suffer from internal conflicts in Sudan and South Sudan.

    Grant that, through dialogue, mutual respect and recognition of the rights and cultural values of every human being, the values of solidarity, reconciliation and peaceful coexistence may prevail in the hearts of the peoples of the Americas.

    Son of God, comfort the victims of violence against women, which has increased in this time of pandemic. Offer hope to young children and adolescents suffering from bullying and abuse. Show consolation and warmth to the elderly, especially those who feel most alone. Give serenity and unity to families, the first educators of their children and the basis of the fabric of society.

    God-with-us, grant health to the infirm and inspire all men and women of good will to seek the best ways possible to overcome the current health crisis and its effects. Open hearts to ensure that necessary medical care – and vaccines in particular – are provided to those peoples who need them most. Repay those who generously devote themselves to caring for family members, the sick and the most vulnerable in our midst.

    Child of Bethlehem, grant that the many military and civilian prisoners of war and recent conflicts, and all those imprisoned for political reasons, may soon return home. Do not leave us indifferent before the tragic situation of migrants, displaced persons and refugees. Their eyes beg us not to look the other way, ignoring our common humanity, but instead to make their stories our own and to be mindful of their plight.

    Eternal Word become flesh, make us attentive to our common home, which is suffering from the carelessness with which we so often treat it. Inspire political leaders to reach effective agreements, so that future generations can live in an environment respectful of life.

    Dear brothers and sisters, amid all the many problems of our time, hope prevails, “for to us a child is born” (Isaiah 9:6). He is the word of God, who became an infant, capable only of crying, and in need of help for everything. He wished to learn how to speak, like every other child, so that we might learn to listen to God, our Father, to listen to one another and to dialogue as brothers and sisters.

    O Christ, born for our sake, teach us to walk beside you on the paths of peace.

    Happy Christmas to all!
     
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    Pope Francis praised the witness of Saint Stephen — the first martyr of the Church — on the Saint’s feast day, December 26, 2020.

    Speaking from the Library of the Apostolic Palace before praying the noonday Angelus, the Pope reminded the faithful listening via social media around the world that “those who witness to Jesus shine with His light, not with their own light”.

    The Holy Father continued by recalling that Stephen was innocent, a victim of hatred. He suffered the horrible death of stoning but still, let Jesus’ light shine.

    “He prayed for his murderers and forgave them, like Jesus on the cross,” Pope Francis said. “He is the first martyr, that is, the first witness, the first of a host of brothers and sisters who, even until today, continue to bring the light into the darkness – people who respond to evil with good, who do not succumb to violence and lies, but break the cycle of hatred with meekness and love. In the world’s nights, these witnesses bring God’s dawn.”

    Following is the Pope’s full commentary, provided by the Vatican.

    Dear brothers and sisters, good afternoon!

    Yesterday’s Gospel spoke of Jesus, the “true light” that came into the world, the light that “shines in the darkness” and “the darkness has not overcome it” (Jn 1:9, 5). Today we see the person who witnessed to Jesus, Saint Stephen, who shines in the darkness. Those who witness to Jesus shine with His light, not with their own light. Even the Church does not have its own light. Because of this, the ancient fathers called the Church: “the mystery of the moon”. Like the moon, which does not have its own light, these witnesses do not have their own light, they are capable of taking Jesus’s light and reflecting it. Stephen was falsely accused and brutally stoned, but in the darkness of hatred (which was the torment of his stoning), he allowed the light of Jesus to shine: he prayed for his murderers and forgave them, like Jesus on the cross. He is the first martyr, that is, the first witness, the first of a host of brothers and sisters who, even until today, continue to bring the light into the darkness – people who respond to evil with good, who do not succumb to violence and lies, but break the cycle of hatred with meekness and love. In the world’s nights, these witnesses bring God’s dawn.

    But how do they become witnesses? Imitating Jesus, taking light from Jesus. This is the path for every Christian: to imitate Jesus, taking light from Jesus. Saint Stephen gives us the example: Jesus had come to serve, not to be served (see Mk 10:45), and he lived to serve and not to be served, and he came to serve: Stephen was chosen to be a deacon, he became a deacon, that is, a servant, and assisted the poor at table (see Acts 6:2). He tried to imitate the Lord every day and he did it even to the end: like Jesus, he was captured, condemned, and killed outside of the city, and like Jesus, he prayed and forgave. While he was being stoned, he said: “Lord, do not hold this sin against them” (7:60). Stephen was a witness because he imitated Jesus.

    A question could arise: are these witnesses to goodness really necessary when the world is immersed in wickedness? What good does it do to pray and forgive? Just to give a good example? But, what does that serve? No, there’s a lot more. We discover this from a detail. The text says that among those for whom Stephen prayed and whom he forgave there was “a young man named Saul” (v. 58), who “was consenting to his death” (8:1). A little later, by God’s grace, Saul was converted, received Jesus’s light, accepted it, was converted, and became Paul, the greatest missionary in history. Paul was born by God’s grace, but through Stephen’s forgiveness, through Stephen’s witness. That was the seed of his conversion. This is the proof that loving actions change history: even the ones that are small, hidden, every day. For God guides history through the humble courage of those who pray, love, and forgive. There are so many hidden saints, saints who are next-door, hidden witnesses of life, who with little acts of love change history.

    To be witnesses to Jesus – this is true for us as well. The Lord wants us to make our lives masterpieces through the ordinary things, the everyday things we do. We are called to bear witness to Jesus right where we live, in our families, at work, everywhere, even just by giving the light of a smile, a light that is not our own – it comes from Jesus – and even just by fleeing the shadow of gossip and tattle-tailing. And then, when we see something that is wrong, instead of criticizing, badmouthing, and complaining, let us pray for the one who made a mistake and for the difficult situation. And when an argument starts at home, instead of trying to win it, let us try to diffuse it; and start over again each time, forgiving the one who offended. Small things, but they change history because they open the door, they open the window to Jesus’s light. Saint Stephen, while he was on the receiving end of the stones of hatred, reciprocated with words of forgiveness. He thus changed history. We too can change evil into good each time just as a beautiful proverb proposes which says: “Be like the palm tree: they throw stones at it and it drops down dates”.

    Today, let us pray for those suffering persecution because of the name of Jesus. They are many, unfortunately. There are more than in the beginning of the Church. Let us entrust these brothers and sisters to the Madonna, that they might respond with meekness to oppression and that, as true witnesses to Jesus, they might conquer evil with good.
     
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    oh no!
    1st he must be a valid pope and successor of Saint Peter!

    what ever he says is not truth or inspired or infallible only when He teaches the universal church with apostolic authority from Christ on matters of faith and morals. Most popes never make an infallible declaration.
    2. The Bible?
    The church existed before the New Testament
    The church exercised her authority from Christ before the New Testament
    The church wrote the New Testament
    The church declares that which is the Bible and that which is not and only the church has authority from Christ to give an authorized interpretation of scripture
    The church has the duty to teach and rule the nations. Matt 29:19-20

    The new covenant unity:
    Union with Christ the mediator and communion with God and the saints is based on “unity of faith”

    “Thee faith” of the new covenant that all must believe without any error, false or strange doctrines foreign to “thee faith” of the new covenant!

    “Thee faith” is found 31 times in the New Testament!

    Obedience of faith: rom 16:26

    Ephesians 4:1
    I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. ...

    Romans 12:16
    Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

    Romans 15:6
    That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    2 Corinthians 13:11
    Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

    Philippians 1:27
    Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

    Philippians 2:2
    Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

    1 Peter 3:8
    Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

    Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism

    2 Timothy 4:7
    I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

    Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    Athanasius Creed!
    (From the early church)

    Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

    Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

    One church founded by Jesus Christ!

    there is only one!
    One God!
    One Lord!
    One savior!
    One faith!
    One new covenant!
    One kingdom!
    One household of faith!
    One vineyard!
    One church! (Not thousands of sects All teaching different doctrines all on the Bible alone, by the tradition of men)
    Only Christ has authority to found the new covenant church! Matt 16:18-19
    One shepherd one fold Jn 10:16
    1 Tim 3:15 pillar and ground of truth
    All men must be taught by the church!

    Truth is revealed by God, fully by Christ, and must be proposed for our belief by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 one faith

    Unity of faith!

    Four Marks of the True Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

    One, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic (succeeding from Christ, Peter and the apostles)

    More to follow
     
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    The one true church’s teaching authority from Christ is without error!

    A divine institution: founded by Christ on Peter and the holy apostles and their successors unto the end!

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!

    Christ and His church are one! Jn 15:1-5 Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

    Church has authority from Christ!

    Church is free from all error!

    Mt 16:18 & mt 18:18

    Mt 28:19-20

    Acts 1:17

    acts 8:31 & 35

    Lk 10:16

    Jn 8:32

    Jn 13:20

    Jn 15:5

    Jn 16:13

    Jn 20:21-22

    eph 2:20

    acts 2:42

    1 Tim 3:15

    The one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is an extension church of Christ’s ministry of redemption to the whole world and all time!

    Christ perpetuates his mission, power, and authority in the holy church!

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15


    What authority does Christ have?
    What power does Christ have?
    What mission / ministry does Christ have?

    Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

    John 17:18
    As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    The apostles are Christ’s successors!
    They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

    Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
    Apostolic succession!

    The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

    Hebrews 3:1
    Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

    Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

    Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

    Moral authority:
    (Teaching)
    Necessity of being taught by Christ:
    Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

    Jurisdictional authority:
    (Governing / administering)
    Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

    Spiritual authority:
    (Life of Grace)
    Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

    The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

    Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

    Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
    Eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

    There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
    Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

    1 Timothy 3:15
    But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
    To attack the church is to attack Christ!
    Acts 9:4 Jn 20:21-23

    Matt 18:17 must hear the teaching of Christ thru His holy church!

    Truth is revealed by God, fully by Christ, and must be proposed for our belief by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 one faith

    Christians cannot listen to the errors of heretics, but the truth from holy mother church!
     
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    images are not forbidden only graven images worshiped as God

    only God may lawfully be adored and worshiped!

    the rosary is not repetitive
    Christ was condemning repeating yourself in a single prayer not repeating prayers
    Or else you could only say the our father once in youre lifetime and then you would be violating this commandment, and Christ prayed three times “let this cup pass”.

    the rosary is a median the gospel!
    And is only praying scripture!


    Good enough for Angels!
    Good enough for the Bible!
    Good enough for me!

    Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
    Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
    rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

    It is really God who greeting Mary with the “Hail Mary”!
    Lk 1:26 & Lk 1:45

    A good tree!

    Matthew 7:18
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
    Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
    Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

    A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!

    Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!

    Only a queen can bear a king!
     
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    Your post says something about the problems with depending on any man instead of trusting in God alone!
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Lk 10:16
    He who hears you hears me...

    John 13:20
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
    Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

    The teaching of Peter and the apostles and successors is the teaching of Christ!
     
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    You really are stuck, aren't you? Where from there?
     
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    uhm i thought i just saw there's more than 1 kingdom in revelation
    but whatever everything is vain i am just talking nothing
     
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    ohh i know now why you are replying but now is not a good times hayy
     
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    anytime
    Any questions
    It’s all good
     
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    To be a Catholic, you have a pledge allegiance with your heart, soul, mind, body, and earthly funds to the Pope in Rome. Then, it's rituals and vane repetitions of "prayers" to people like the "saints". If you want to really blow your mind, read the Bible and take it seriously, then pray a true heart and soulfelt prayer to Jesus. Go directly to the Cross of Christ and not through a middle man. Jesus said, don't call any Good but God. Don't call any father, but your Father in heaven. Don't call any teacher, except your one and only teacher, Jesus.
    NJ Life Coach for Christians
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    how many errors can you make in one post?

    Authority of the Apostles!

    What authority does Christ have?
    What power does Christ have?
    What mission / ministry does Christ have?

    Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

    John 17:18
    As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    The apostles are Christ’s successors!
    They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

    Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
    Apostolic succession!

    The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

    Hebrews 3:1
    Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

    Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

    Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

    Moral authority:
    (Teaching)
    Necessity of being taught by Christ:
    Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

    Jurisdictional authority:
    (Governing / administering)
    Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

    Spiritual authority:
    (Life of Grace)
    Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

    The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

    Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

    Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
    Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

    Lk 10:16
    He who hears you hears me...

    John 13:20
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
    Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

    The teaching of Peter and the apostles and successors is the teaching of Christ!
     
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    God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

    Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38


    Christian ritual of baptism:
    Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
    1 Pet 3:21

    Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
    Matter: pure water
    Form: the words

    Born again! Born from above!


    'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

    Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

    St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

    Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

    1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
    (Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
    (Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

    Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!





    Justified by faith includes baptism Mk 16:16 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:20-21

    Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.




    
Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

    John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

    John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

    John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

    John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

    John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

    Born again means Baptismal regeneration!
     
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    Hi @theefaith, I wanted to reply to some of your points, which I interspersed below in your reply to my reply.

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    I too went to catholic school thru 8th grade
    That’s school, math, history, reading, etc. it’s never a course in theology

    did Christ found a church?
    Why did Christ found the church?
    Does any man have authority to found a church?

    call no man father? Really?


    Biblical understanding

    Matt 23:9
    Call no man Father?

    Is this an absolute requirement?
    Or is Our Savior condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

    God calls men father!

    Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

    Jesus calls men father!

    Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    Mary calls men father!

    Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

    Peter calls men father!

    Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

    Acts 3:22 Moses said unto the fathers…

    The stephen calls men father!

    Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

    The Bible calls men father!

    Luke 16:24
    And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


    Then there is spiritual fathers!

    Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

    Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

    1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

    1 John 2
    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

    That makes Peter, Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
     
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    Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

    Mother of God Lk 1:43

    Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
    Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

    Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30 and cos she consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

    Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
    Lk 1:31-34

    Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

    Mother of the creator is mother of all creation!

    Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!

    Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!
    Lk 1:30

    All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
    Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30


    Mary is the mother of God!

    Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

    Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

    Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

    Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

    so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!

    Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!


    Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

    Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
    Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32


    A good tree!

    Matthew 7:18
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
    Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
    Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

    A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!

    Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!
     
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    The slightest step toward Catholicism is a giant leap toward apostasy.
     
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    how?

    be specific please
     
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