If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[APAK]

(the mark of the beast controversy, is still in development or its not time for it yet)

(jesus's is the king of the resurrection and that is acted out on earth with the faithful)

(the unfaithful and those genetic lines, do not identify with Jesus body, and they are only a source of suffering and must be killed, there is no hope for them, but satan in its pleasure, will try to do this anyway)

(it was published that japan found jewish dna inside the COVID19 vaccine vials shipped to their country from the usa, and call that impurities, and just burned those shipments)

(this is something to think about, things will become clearer, there are many levels and years to this argument of development if this is the time, it takes only one bump to change society permanently)

Yes, Jesus is the King of heaven and earth, since his resurrection from the dead. And yes, we the faithful, do 'act out' using the same key to the gates of heaven, with the same Spirit, as the extension of the Kingdom on earth, and the only bridge to heaven from earth today, with access to the presence of the Father, the heavenly Temple.

Yes, the wicked and unfaithful have defect spiritual genes and might be analogous to the 'unfaithful of Israel.'

And yes, contamination via metallic particles were found in the exported COVID vaccine vials sent to Japan.

Finally, yes, it only takes one major alteration to the physical human genome to make a humanoid or hybrid that cannot communicate with God - an abomination.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Ephesians 4:10-13
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Acknowledge your KING. JESUS IS LORD.

People clown around being literal with everything and blind themselves to what is going on. We work for The KING 24/7 ...do you even know Who that is?

It's The Gospel of THE KINGDOM ...not the Gospel of something that happens after The Return. It's about Right Now.

You think GOD is saving all the Seals and His Wrath only for the people that make it to the very end? Isn't it weird how we have had plagues, death, famine, and wars?

"Jesus told us in Matt. 24 that we will see wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes, these are the beginnings of sorrow."

JESUS was talking about the end ...not the Seals/Judgments on the kingdom of the world. Sounds like sorrow to me.

Judgments because He is Reigning.

 

[Davy]

To know that Christ's Kingdom will involve a FUTURE literal earthly Kingdom is very simple, IF one sticks to what God says in His Word.

A simple reading of the events of the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial and the events of John 5:28-29 on the day of His return reveals easily that Christ's Kingdom involves some very important, and substantial changes at His appearance back to this earth per Zechariah 14.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

To know that Christ's Kingdom will involve a FUTURE literal earthly Kingdom is very simple, IF one sticks to what God says in His Word.

A simple reading of the events of the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial and the events of John 5:28-29 on the day of His return reveals easily that Christ's Kingdom involves some very important, and substantial changes at His appearance back to this earth per Zechariah 14.

You are confusing the infinite afterlife with some weird 1000 year period.

Do eschatological futurists deny JESUS is Reigning now?

If you are Reborn, you are a Child of GOD. If you are a Child of GOD, you are being Ruled by Him. WAKE UP. You refuse to see that global Reign with GOD'S Presence is for the New earth ...the Infinite earth.

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Deal with this from the OT


Psalms 37:27-29
Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 1:4
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

//What do you think the "seven Spirits" are? It's GOD'S Omnipresence.

Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

//It doesn't say He makes us kings and priests after.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If JESUS "made us kings and priests" at the beginning of Revelation (Rev 1:6), why are we waiting for a thousand year period after His Return?

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Futurists clown themselves thinking the mark of the beast is the only test we face.

 

[Davy]

You are confusing the infinite afterlife with some weird 1000 year period.

I'm not confusing the start of Christ's reign at His future return per Zechariah 14.

It is you... that is NOT staying with written Bible Scripture.

You are drunken on playing church, for if you had studied all of God's Word you would well know that God's literal Kingdom to come only appears with Jesus' literal return to this earth, as written. Even the prayer Jesus told His servants to pray asks for that Kingdom to come.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I'm not confusing the start of Christ's reign at His future return per Zechariah 14.

It is you... that is NOT staying with written Bible Scripture.

You are drunken on playing church, for if you had studied all of God's Word you would well know that God's literal Kingdom to come only appears with Jesus' literal return to this earth, as written. Even the prayer Jesus told His servants to pray asks for that Kingdom to come.

Ask yourself if there could be an issue with not calling JESUS ...LORD (King), right now.

You would rather have your pretend 1000 years instead of facing that the test is right now. GOD doesn't give a generation an unfair chance of being Saved ...take a second and realize how ridiculous that would be. Everything you think that is going to happen in the Millennium Reign happens in the Infinite Afterlife.

We are The Temple of GOD now.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.”

1 Peter‬ 2:9-10‬

 

[Davy]

Ask yourself if there could be an issue with not calling JESUS ...LORD (King), right now.

You would rather have your pretend 1000 years instead of facing that the test is right now. GOD doesn't give a generation an unfair chance of being Saved ...take a second and realize how ridiculous that would be. Everything you think that is going to happen in the Millennium Reign happens in the Infinite Afterlife.

We are The Temple of GOD now.

In our 'spirit' we are today, but NOT literally manifested over ALL NATIONS yet, which will ONLY happen with Christ's literal return to this earth, as written.

But what you're pushing with your 'Kingdom Now' heresy from men, makes it impossible... for a future resurrection even! What you're pushing is thus EASY to know is heresy against God's written Word.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

In our 'spirit' we are today, but NOT literally manifested over ALL NATIONS yet, which will ONLY happen with Christ's literal return to this earth, as written.

But what you're pushing with your 'Kingdom Now' heresy from men, makes it impossible... for a future resurrection even! What you're pushing is thus EASY to know is heresy against God's written Word.

The only Resurrection that matters is JESUS'S ...wake up.

 

[APAK]

To know that Christ's Kingdom will involve a FUTURE literal earthly Kingdom is very simple, IF one sticks to what God says in His Word.

A simple reading of the events of the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial and the events of John 5:28-29 on the day of His return reveals easily that Christ's Kingdom involves some very important, and substantial changes at His appearance back to this earth per Zechariah 14.

Davy, from the most accurate information I have at my disposal concerning Zechariah 14, it was fulfilled already, at least in the Maccabean Wars. It was already fulfilled. The language of prophesy is filled with symbols and imagery along with locally understood idioms and expressions. Some of them do occur several times throughout scripture.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

When does the following happen in your order of events? You want the goats to be raised a thousand years later, right?

Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[pittsburghjoe]

1 Corinthians 15:22-26
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

//It doesn't say "Then after a thousand years".

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The kingdom of the world becomes the Kingdom of GOD at the regeneration. No time for a thousand years.

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

 

[Davy]

Davy, from the most accurate information I have at my disposal concerning Zechariah 14, it was fulfilled already, at least in the Maccabean Wars. It was already fulfilled. The language of prophesy is filled with symbols and imagery along with locally understood idioms and expressions. Some of them do occur several times throughout scripture.

Impossible. Zechariah 14 is still yet to occur. Acts 1 about Christ's future return by angels confirms it.

And anyone who can read with common sense can understand Zechariah 14 when it is pointing to Christ's reign over all nations and peoples, including those leftover of the nations that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world. Even the return of God's River of the waters of life is pointed to there.

So what you have believed is a leaven doctrine of man, and not God's Holy Writ.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Impossible. Zechariah 14 is still yet to occur. Acts 1 about Christ's future return by angels confirms it.

And anyone who can read with common sense can understand Zechariah 14 when it is pointing to Christ's reign over all nations and peoples, including those leftover of the nations that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world. Even the return of God's River of the waters of life is pointed to there.

So what you have believed is a leaven doctrine of man, and not God's Holy Writ.

You are demanding the same Messianic Age that the Jews did. How many times do i have to say that the Promises are for Infinity ...not a thousand years?

This scripture ends the debate:

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

 

[APAK]

Impossible. Zechariah 14 is still yet to occur. Acts 1 about Christ's future return by angels confirms it.

And anyone who can read with common sense can understand Zechariah 14 when it is pointing to Christ's reign over all nations and peoples, including those leftover of the nations that came up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world. Even the return of God's River of the waters of life is pointed to there.

So what you have believed is a leaven doctrine of man, and not God's Holy Writ.

Well Davy, here is some of my thinking as well as others who have researched this area in much more detail than I.

Let's start at Zechariah 14:1-2...
The Maccabean Wars started in second to the late first century before Christ, when the Seleucids, their growing empire conquered Judah and finally captured the city of Jerusalem. They plundered it and its temple. They killed many thousands of people, and took many women and children captive.

The expression 'all the nations' used in this scripture, denotes the various forces from several nations as part of the Seleucidan Empire gathered to fight against Judah and Jerusalem. The word 'all' does not mean that every nation or tribe that existed on the planet at that time. It meant those selected tribes of the Seleucidan Empire - the Greek, Persians, Babylonians, Arabs, Armenians, ancient Kurds, Syrians, even some of the 'lost' tribes of Israel, and others known to Zechariah and the people, geographically surrounding them from the North and Eastern borders at that time.

Verse 4 predicts that the Mount of Olives would split in two from East and to the West. The Mount is actually literally split into two, from East to the West since that time, the time of Christ on the earth, and today.

Now for verses 6-7 These are apparently also historical facts fulfilled in the miracle of Hanukah. This is where the holiday of Hanukah originated.

According to the Babylonian Talmud, after some Judahite rededicated the Temple, they discovered that they only had enough oil to keep the menorah lit for one day. However, the oil lasted eight days giving the Jews time to have new oil pressed out and properly prepared. The fact that Zechariah 14:7 predicts light in the evening seems to point to the miracle of Hanukah, the Festival of Lights.

.....there's more....