ScottA
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Right on.The Bible point blank states Jesus was resurrected a spirit 1 Pet 3:18 and Paul when talking about the anointed solidified that fact 1 Cor 15:44-50.
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Right on.The Bible point blank states Jesus was resurrected a spirit 1 Pet 3:18 and Paul when talking about the anointed solidified that fact 1 Cor 15:44-50.
Jesus did not appear in his own body ever sir, in fact likely not the same body he did appear in, because every single time he appeared not one of his intimate associates recognized him. And if the sacrifice was taken back, which never happened in our history before, what hope do we have?
Best believe Jesus did in fact give his flesh and blood in our behalf, I certainly do.
Resurrection literally means to stand up sir. Biblical resurrection means the dead that are in the grave are brought back to life. Believe it or not Ron.
I disagree Ron, here is the account:
(John 20:19-29) . . .9 When it was late that day, the first day of the week, and the doors were locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them: “May you have peace.” 20 After saying this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples rejoiced at seeing the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again: “May you have peace. Just as the Father has sent me, I also am sending you.” 22 After saying this he blew on them and said to them: “Receive holy spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.” 24 But Thomas, one of the Twelve, who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” 26 Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” 27 Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” 28 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.”
Jesus gave them what they needed to recognize him and strengthen them.
Why? Because the Bible does not contradict sir, only misinterpretations cause it to seem so. Since Jesus body was sacrificed, and your verse says it would be resurrected what was meant by that? The Bible has to harmonize, or it would basically nullify God right? Who could put trust in a God that contradicts Himself?
did you forget when Thomas met him and put his finger in the holes in his hand and the side of his chest?Jesus did not appear in his own body ever sir, in fact likely not the same body he did appear in, because every single time he appeared not one of his intimate associates recognized him. And if the sacrifice was taken back, which never happened in our history before, what hope do we have?
Best believe Jesus did in fact give his flesh and blood in our behalf, I certainly do.
Resurrection literally means to stand up sir. Biblical resurrection means the dead that are in the grave are brought back to life. Believe it or not Ron.
Ronald,Now you are trying to decieve us, sir!
Resurrection is ana- stasis ana= again! stasis= stand. Resurrection is a standing up again ! And in this case it means one who died and rose from the dead!
Just like Lazarus - anastasis from his tomb. Just like over 500 saints anastasis from their tombs after Jesus rose!
Your first line is tired old vomit straight from Watchtower publications and has not one whit of biblical support!
Look carefully at the words of Jesus and believe Him for a change:
John 2:18-22
King James Version
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Jesus told the pharisees, destroy my body and in three days I will raise it (ana stasis) from the dead! What part of Jesus died at Calvary????
That's a misuse of the word FAITH. A "denomination" isn't a "FAITH" it's just a religious group - just another "Theology" as it were. Personally, I've been in Several denominational groups over the last 59 years: Southern Baptist, American Baptist, Church of Christ (Campbellite), United Church of Christ, Several Independents, United Methodist, FGBMFI, and MOST of the time in the Assemblies of God.If you found you were in the wrong faith, would you change?
I don’t think you’re being rude at all- in fact I totally acknowledge that your actions are motivated out of wanting to save me- the fear of my death. That’s very clear.
However, I believe that obedience to God should be done out of love, not fear. Obedience prompted by fear is product of an abusive relationship and bad fruit. Likewise with preaching and searching for truth: thaws should be motivated by love. Not death threats.
Amen brother, the best book I have read by C.S. Lewis is Screwtape letters, I'm on my 3rd or 4th read of it now. Truly shows how Satan screws with us.
God be with you!
Thanks Nancy, I certainly hope so maam. Perhaps you are familiar that the world belongs to satan, and that Christians are no part of his world. I thought I might relay this to you as you might find it interesting. When the Bible speaks of satans world, it will be in one of 3 aspects. Primary among satan's ploys of course is religion, so religion is the primary one and is referred to as babylon the great in the Bible. satans religion usually plays in to the political system as well, and babylon harlots herself to them, so the political system is number 2, when God puts it into the kings hearts to destroy babylon, then the merchants of the world cry over the loss, so the third aspect is the commercial system. So any time the world is spoken of in the Bible it is referring to it in at least one of those categories. It can be fun if you remember that and then see which category the ploy satan is using falls into.
I hear you say that.I fully agree Jane, and that is exactly the proper and only motive that we should have in serving God. People misunderstand the term of the Bible that we are to fear God, it is not fear in the literal sense, rather a reverential fear, a fear of letting Him down. Those who sincerely believe that God is, and becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking Him, obey Him because they love Him maam: (1 John 5:3) . . .this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,
Many look at Jehovah as being unloving and vindictive, and Jesus as being quite the opposite, but Jesus stated openly that those who seen him, also seen his Father. If Jehovah would have came in the flesh, He would have behaved exactly the same way Jesus did, both are perfect sinless beings, any sinless being would be the reflection of Jehovah. So the only ones who need to fear as in afraid of God are those who refuse to seek Him, as their future is not quite so rosy.
Yes...and a little insight about "all people" knowing "when he returns": As an event of God rather than of men and of the world, it is a spiritual event, meaning "each one in his own order" but more importantly, by the terms of God and therefore, timeless. Meaning that each one leaves in his own order--some raised "to everlasting life, some to everlasting contempt", but all arrive together...where "every eye shall see."
Yes, to reign with Christ for the preaching of the gospel to every nation until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.
Now you are trying to decieve us, sir!
Resurrection is ana- stasis ana= again! stasis= stand. Resurrection is a standing up again ! And in this case it means one who died and rose from the dead!
Just like Lazarus - anastasis from his tomb. Just like over 500 saints anastasis from their tombs after Jesus rose!
Your first line is tired old vomit straight from Watchtower publications and has not one whit of biblical support!
Look carefully at the words of Jesus and believe Him for a change:
John 2:18-22
King James Version
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Jesus told the pharisees, destroy my body and in three days I will raise it (ana stasis) from the dead! What part of Jesus died at Calvary????
did you forget when Thomas met him and put his finger in the holes in his hand and the side of his chest?
did you forget he ate with many people after he rose
did you forget he was witnessed by many after he rose?
while some did not recognize him. If someone I knew died and rose again, I probably would not recognize him either. Who raises from the dead.
That's a misuse of the word FAITH. A "denomination" isn't a "FAITH" it's just a religious group - just another "Theology" as it were. Personally, I've been in Several denominational groups over the last 59 years: Southern Baptist, American Baptist, Church of Christ (Campbellite), United Church of Christ, Several Independents, United Methodist, FGBMFI, and MOST of the time in the Assemblies of God.
My FAITH is that the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on Calvary has cleansed me of ALL SIN, and I stand PERFECT (in Jesus) before God, and that Jesus is my ADVOCATE in life.
What FAITH is Biblically is basically defined in three verses:
What is it? Heb 11:1
Where's it come from? Rom 10:17
How to you apply it? Mark 11:21-24
That is close...except for it already happening, for it has yet to happen with those who's order is yet to come. This order continues as it has since Pentecost until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled--which continues until the very last "one"..."each one in his own order."The each one in his own order is referring to the first resurrection Scott Rev 20:6, we believe this has already happened, but have no scriptural evidence to prove it as such. The parallel account in 1 Thes can be understood to fully happen upon Jesus' return, but we believe it is referring to the anointed who are still alive at that time.
I answered here: Thy Kingdom come.They do have that responsibility sir, and when that is successfully completed Jehovah will send His forces Mat 24:14. But no that is not the primary reason, they were given the covenant to serve as Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God sir: (Luke 22:28-30) . . .you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
(Luke 12:32) . . .“Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom.
(Revelation 5:9, 10) . . .And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
(Revelation 14:3) . . .they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.