Away from self-interest? Does an ego driven personality realize they are walking in the power of the flesh?
Imputation is based on the Old Testament
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A misunderstanding of Paul doesn't (or shouldn't) negate the rest of the Bible.
2 Peter 3:16: As also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
This is your gaslighting. You've done this before also. I point to poor behavior in the hope that it will be recognized and modified. You deflect to my supposed "offense", as if I'm all hurt, and that's what this is about.
No go.
Like I said, if you decide to change, your words will reflect that.
Much love!
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That's a question to ask ourselves! Given our propensity to be self-deceptive, I recommend things like measuring ourselves against the fruit of the Spirit, and the meaning of Love, things like that.
And not just that we carefully frame some external system of behavior so it "looks like" we are loving others, but that we truly have the other person's well-being at heart.
I don't think I can over emphasize that. A "code of conduct" is good, don't get me wrong. But real love in the heart for others, that's what we need to have.
It brings about a much different way of responding to people.
Much love!
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Right, compare yourself to Jesus talking to demons, It's just you and me. I'm an agent of darkness? Sure thing. You are true to form.
"Responding in horror", well, actually I'll just point to my previous posts. No, someone is disagreeing with you, and it looks like you are just trying to run them off the thread as I've seen many times previously.
Much love!
Eternally Grateful
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No, you have to show the ROOM humility before you start tewlling everyone else to be humble.
see how you twist everything around?? you can not even pay attention to what the discussion and my origional comment was about
lol.. You can;t even stick to the topic of what I posted.. now you want to ignore me because i call you out.
feel free.. You just expose yourself yet again.
Eternally Grateful
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before you judge others. you need to look inside, and judge your own ego..
Yours is quite large.. everyone who does not agree with you is indoctrinated.. whether they or you are right or wrong.
it does not get any more self centered and in the flesh than that
Eternally Grateful
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I have noticed, since the day I showed up on these boards, that whatever you accuse others of, can be found in you. Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruit." There is but little time for you to go out and buy yourself some Oil. And that Oil will cost all that you have become.
Not hurt, but offended in the flesh. You defend the interests of ego...regardless of their position. That is your ultimate concern...because it reflects back on your ego.
You believe that God saves the flesh along with the soul. And I have stated that the biblical position is to separate the flesh from the soul...the ego is meant for the cross. But you defend the ego as if Paul was saying 'It is ever I, AND Christ in me"...instead of "It is no longer I, BUT Christ in me."
You want it both ways...to preserve the best of the flesh and also belong to God. But you are headed for a great disappointment.
That is indeed the cost of the oil...all we have and are in this world. But the easy thing is to impute to oneself all that is good, and to others all that is evil. What is your stand on imputation? Do you only impute good to yourself?
Is that so? I think you are being disparaging to again deflect. What demonstration does that make?
Much love!
I'm open to discussing the subject of this thread as opposed to attacking the messenger! 
Truth brings out the flesh...where it should bring out the desire to be pleasing to God.
All who post from a continuing self-interest I will place on ignore.
Truth brings out the flesh...where it should bring out the desire to be pleasing to God. All who post from a continuing self-interest I will place on ignore.
And would you put The Lord on ignore for He does not ignore you.I'm open to discussing the subject of this thread as opposed to attacking the messenger!
All who post from a continuing self-interest I will place on ignore.
Epi, I’m very sorry for what happened to your thread. If I thought I could help anyone (and especially you, brother) in any way, I would participate, but I can’t give attention to selfseeking, egoic behavior because it would be feeding the flame that consumes them rather than helping. It would be playing into the trap set, and on purpose no less, now that I have seen the trap and the sly tactic. I’m sure God will show you what I’m talking about. It’s not good to play into the trap of virtue signaling because it is giving them what they crave. In addition, it’s wasting valuable time. You are too important to the body to waste your time this way. Instead of pleasing them and giving them what they want, you should help their victims wherever you can and just have nothing to do with them.
Eternally Grateful
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We tried to discuss. But since we do not agree with you,. we were attacked..But that is normally what happens in your threadsI'm open to discussing the subject of this thread as opposed to attacking the messenger!
All who post from a continuing self-interest I will place on ignore.
Looking over the thread again...This is a real beauty
It does not say God recognized righteousness in Abraham
It says because Abraham believed, God imputed to abraham his righteousness.
Abrahams righteousness is as filthy rags.. all people. ot or nt. can not be saved unless they are imputed gods righteousness.. if left to our own righteousness. we are lost.; because all have sinned and fall short.
Sounds like a plot for a "B" movie.
What many believers now need is a dictionary...and also a course on how to read the bible.
To impute means to attribute.
Can screeching tire sounds be attributed to a flower? No. We would attribute (impute) that sound to a car. Can we impute God's righteousness to men? Never. Nobody is as righteous as God. Instead we have our own kind of strength and our own kind of righteousness. The human kind.
In the NT we read that Zacharias and Elizabeth were both righteous, same for Cornelius the Centurion (before his encounter with God). Also we read of Lot being righteous.
Were these as righteous as God? Of course not. God's righteousness is far greater than that of men.
Do people have righteousness? Some do. What kind of righteousness? A lesser righteousness than God's. His ways are far above our own.
Jesus said we can do NOTHING without Him. Does that mean that without Christ we can't do normal human things? Of course not. We can do nothing on the eternal scale without Christ.
We can only be imputed with a human righteousness. Since we are human. We are not God...or His equivalent.
However, we can be COVERED by God's righteousness (His not ours) when we enter into Christ.
It does not say God recognized righteousness in Abraham
It says because Abraham believed, God imputed to abraham his righteousness.
Abrahams righteousness is as filthy rags.. all people. ot or nt. can not be saved unless they are imputed gods righteousness.. if left to our own righteousness. we are lost.; because all have sinned and fall short.
Sounds like a plot for a "B" movie.
What many believers now need is a dictionary...and also a course on how to read the bible.
To impute means to attribute.
Can screeching tire sounds be attributed to a flower? No. We would attribute (impute) that sound to a car. Can we impute God's righteousness to men? Never. Nobody is as righteous as God. Instead we have our own kind of strength and our own kind of righteousness. The human kind.
In the NT we read that Zacharias and Elizabeth were both righteous, same for Cornelius the Centurion (before his encounter with God). Also we read of Lot being righteous.
Were these as righteous as God? Of course not. God's righteousness is far greater than that of men.
Do people have righteousness? Some do. What kind of righteousness? A lesser righteousness than God's. His ways are far above our own.
Jesus said we can do NOTHING without Him. Does that mean that without Christ we can't do normal human things? Of course not. We can do nothing on the eternal scale without Christ.
We can only be imputed with a human righteousness. Since we are human. We are not God...or His equivalent.
However, we can be COVERED by God's righteousness (His not ours) when we enter into Christ.
I'm not sure and am mentioning it just in case, but is it possible that different people here have different understandings of what imputed means? If so, it might be helpful to define what that word means.
