Irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

@BARNEY BRIGHT,

"God and His Father"

God has a Father; why can't you see that?

Jesus is obviously God.

I hope that you realize that if you continue to deny this, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

Show in the scriptures where it's written down that if you deny Jesus is God you will die in your sins.

@BARNEY BRIGHT,

"God and His Father"

God has a Father; why can't you see that?

Jesus is obviously God.

I hope that you realize that if you continue to deny this, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

The Only True God loved the world so much that he sent his, "Only Begotten Son" to the world of mankind so that whoever exercises faith in him would not perish but instead have eternal life. (John 3:16) At
John 8:24 Jesus doesn't say he's God in this scripture. In the previous scriptures of this chapter in the Gospel of John Jesus admits he Is not God who is the Father of Jesus Christ. (John 8:17,18) As long as I continue to exercise faith that The Only True God gave his Only Begotten Son to the world of man mankind and his Only Begotten Son died for mankind sins and then three days later The Only True God resurrected his Only Begotten Son I will not die in my sins. What you do is twist scripture to get people to believe something else and not only will you die in your sins but those who listen and agree with you will die in their sins.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Jesus did all the time and how He was hated for it, He stood outside and wept for those inside, He still does today, people just flatly refuse to leave there religions for Him, prefer the wide way.

I agree that Jesus defended himself when he was attacked by the Pharisees and Sadducees. When he taught the truth he tried to reach the hearts of people. He knew that attacking people's religion wouldn't have reached anybody's heart. The Bible is full of scriptures that tell you to use tact when speaking to people. You think Jesus didn't practice what he preached. You can tactfully disagree with people but also defend yourself when attacked.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Are you a Biblical unitarian?

No, Unitarians do not give Exclusive Devotion to God, the Father, I do. I don't believe in the trinity doctrine because I believe what the scriptures say at 2 Timothy 3:16- All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. The Trinity Doctrine would be written down in the scriptures if we truly believe 2 Timothy 3:16. I have found nothing in the scriptures that teaches the Trinity Doctrine. Many churches teach the Trinity Doctrine is Biblical. The definitions may vary but
The Catholic Encyclopedia defines it this way:

“In the unity of the Godhead, there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: ‘the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.’ . . . The Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.”⁠

The Baptist Encyclopædia gives a similar definition. It says:

“[Jesus] is . . . the eternal Jehovah . . . The Holy Spirit is Jehovah . . . The Son and Spirit are placed on an exact equality with the Father. If he is Jehovah so are they.”⁠

I have not found any scriptures that say, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. I believe the Father to be eternal, having no beginning or end, I believe the Father to be omnipotent however I have found nothing in the scriptures where Jesus himself said he was God or that he thought himself equal to him and when it comes to the Holy Spirit although I know the scriptures personify the Holy Spirit, that in itself, doesn't make the Holy Spirit a person if it did then I would have to believe that death and sin are persons. I believe God's Holy Spirit to be God's Active Force and not a person at all.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Nothing personal....

Thing is, you simply need to agree with the very first Apostle that Jesus ordained with the others, that He revealed who he was after the resurrection..God.

In Mark 16, Peter was the first to be revealed by God that Jesus was the Christ prophesied in the O.T.

In John 20, Thomas was the first to be revealed by God that Jesus was made God after Thomas saw Him massacred in a Roman meat grinder.

Thomas is exactly right, and in the next verse, Jesus only admonished his faith in Him, now that he knew Jesus was resurrected. Jesus never stopped him from calling Him his God.

I have one lesson for you to prove you are aligned with Thomas....

Just say right here and right now, "Jesus, you are my Lord and my God".

If you cannot openly say it, you disagree with Thomas the Apostle.

What you and others think about me because I believe what Jesus said and also what Thomas knew, you think whatever you want about me, but if you can't openly say that Jesus who is the Only Begotten Son of God has a Father who is also his God then you disagree with Jesus which means you're calling Jesus a liar

 

[justbyfaith]

Show in the scriptures where it's written down that if you deny Jesus is God you will die in your sins.

Not going to go there with you. I know what the JW arguments are against the passages in question; and to hash them out here will only provide for you an opportunity to tout JW doctrine to more people. And that would place you in mortal, spiritual danger (Galatians 1:6-9)

Just know that I believe that you are taking an awful chance that the JW interpretation of these scriptures is correct. Because if your interpretation is incorrect, then you will be eternally damned for rejecting the Deity of Christ as a doctrine. Therefore you are gambling on eternity based on what a false teacher has said to you.

I do believe that you know what scriptures I am talking about. You cannot be a JW for very long without being confronted by these scriptures.

 

[Truther]

What you and others think about me because I believe what Jesus said and also what Thomas knew, you think whatever you want about me, but if you can't openly say that Jesus who is the Only Begotten Son of God has a Father who is also his God then you disagree with Jesus which means you're calling Jesus a liar

Wait, I do say Jesus is not the Father, but the human son.

You still have not figured out what I teach, because you aren't asking.

Here is how you reconcile Jesus having a God, yet being our God....

The fullness of every bit of what God consists of, indwells Jesus bodily.

This makes him the embodiment of his God, it also qualifies him as God by default.

Barney, if the "Col 2:9 effect" happened to you too, you would qualify as the express image of the invisible God...AKA God.

Fortunately for us all, it only happened to one man, the only begotten son of God...Jesus.

You see, I vindicate Thomas and you debunk him.

Jesus is my Lord and my God, but Jesus is only your Lord and your Lord.

You need to fix this before you see Jesus.

 

[Truther]

No, Unitarians do not give Exclusive Devotion to God, the Father, I do. I don't believe in the trinity doctrine because I believe what the scriptures say at 2 Timothy 3:16- All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. The Trinity Doctrine would be written down in the scriptures if we truly believe 2 Timothy 3:16. I have found nothing in the scriptures that teaches the Trinity Doctrine. Many churches teach the Trinity Doctrine is Biblical. The definitions may vary but
The Catholic Encyclopedia defines it this way:

“In the unity of the Godhead, there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: ‘the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.’ . . . The Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.”⁠

The Baptist Encyclopædia gives a similar definition. It says:

“[Jesus] is . . . the eternal Jehovah . . . The Holy Spirit is Jehovah . . . The Son and Spirit are placed on an exact equality with the Father. If he is Jehovah so are they.”⁠

I have not found any scriptures that say, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. I believe the Father to be eternal, having no beginning or end, I believe the Father to be omnipotent however I have found nothing in the scriptures where Jesus himself said he was God or that he thought himself equal to him and when it comes to the Holy Spirit although I know the scriptures personify the Holy Spirit, that in itself, doesn't make the Holy Spirit a person if it did then I would have to believe that death and sin are persons. I believe God's Holy Spirit to be God's Active Force and not a person at all.

I don't believe in trinity for the record, but for the record, Thomas called Jesus God...

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.


Paul said God shed his blood too...

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


John said God laid down his life too...

16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.


It is obvious that Thomas, Paul and John considered Jesus, God too.

You need to get on the "Jesus is God" boat, Barney.

No religion can keep me from joining these 3 Apostles.

 

[justbyfaith]

Fortunately for us all, it only happened to one man, the only begotten son of God...Jesus.

Have you considered Ephesians 3:19-20?

 

[Cooper]

Have you considered Ephesians 3:19-20?

Lovely scriptures justbyfaith. :)

If I may, I would like to offer a word to the wise. I do not know if you are aware of it, but every time someone, it might be such as yourself on the internet, points out something in their Bible that directs them to the divinity of Jesus Christ, they immediately change the wording so as to write out Christ's divine nature, ready for the next edition.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Got it.

You are a JW.

Now, notice that you are working hard to debunk the KJV like all the trinitarian theologians do?

You use modern Greek redefinitions and translations at will, to hopefully make it say Jesus is a little man now with only a thought process of God in his wee little body.

All this redefinition you bought into comes straight out of trinitarian seminaries.

And the root of this redefinition comes from the RCC.

So, you are teaching their RCC sourced materials originating as incarnationism with a JW twist.

Test the origins of your materials, Barney.

Not going to go there with you. I know what the JW arguments are against the passages in question; and to hash them out here will only provide for you an opportunity to tout JW doctrine to more people. And that would place you in mortal, spiritual danger (Galatians 1:6-9)

Just know that I believe that you are taking an awful chance that the JW interpretation of these scriptures is correct. Because if your interpretation is incorrect, then you will be eternally damned for rejecting the Deity of Christ as a doctrine. Therefore you are gambling on eternity based on what a false teacher has said to you.

I do believe that you know what scriptures I am talking about. You cannot be a JW for very long without being confronted by these scriptures.

You do know I could use that same arguement with you.That your interpretation if it's wrong if you continue to deny that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God you will be lost forever.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Lovely scriptures justbyfaith. :)

If I may, I would like to offer a word to the wise. I do not know if you are aware of it, but every time someone, it might be such as yourself on the internet, points out something in their Bible that directs them to the divinity of Jesus Christ, they immediately change the wording so as to write out Christ's divine nature, ready for the next edition.

I pasted a verse here and it didn’t copy all of it...yet did paste all on my notes. Strange!

 

[mjrhealth]

I agree that Jesus defended himself when he was attacked by the Pharisees and Sadducees. When he taught the truth he tried to reach the hearts of people. He knew that attacking people's religion wouldn't have reached anybody's heart. The Bible is full of scriptures that tell you to use tact when speaking to people. You think Jesus didn't practice what he preached. You can tactfully disagree with people but also defend yourself when attacked.

Jesus never attacked anyone, He simply spoke the truth and they got offended, still same today, nothing changed, if you think people are attacking you because they disagree with you, are you there fore not attacking them when you disagree with them. So childish.

 

[Cooper]

I pasted a verse here and it didn’t copy all of it...yet did paste all on my notes. Strange!

Try again. :) Type it straight into the reply box.

 

[justbyfaith]

You do know I could use that same arguement with you.That your interpretation if it's wrong if you continue to deny that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God you will be lost forever.

I believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, according to the definition of the son found in Isaiah 9:6 (kjv).

Isa 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I'm not interested in your arguments as to why this verse does not mean what it says. I take my Bible at face value and do not need anyone to teach me; I have the anointing to teach me (1 John 2:20, 1 John 2:27-28).

I believe in taking the Bible literally and at face value because of the following verse:

2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

 

[justbyfaith]

But according to the scripture in the above post, the son that was given is the everlasting Father: that means that He is God.

 

[justbyfaith]

And if you decide to preach your arguments against the Deity of Christ concerning that passage, then I fear that you are preaching a different Jesus and a different gospel and Galatians 1:6-9 would condemn you for doing that.

 

[mjrhealth]

I don't believe in trinity for the record, but for the record, Thomas called Jesus God...

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.


Paul said God shed his blood too...

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


John said God laid down his life too...

16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.


It is obvious that Thomas, Paul and John considered Jesus, God too.

You need to get on the "Jesus is God" boat, Barney.

No religion can keep me from joining these 3 Apostles.

Joh_10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

So He isnt lying.... God never came down to die He sent His Word, and His word became Flesh. How does one Kill God, and how does one seperate God from God ,and how can God forsake God, even more so it was not till Christ came of age He was called Gods son.

Heb_5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

[Cooper]

Joh_10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

So He isnt lying.... God never came down to die He sent His Word, and His word became Flesh. How does one Kill God, and how does one seperate God from God ,and how can God forsake God, even more so it was not till Christ came of age He was called Gods son.

Heb_5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

It is important you understand scripture, clearly you do not. Notice the small 'g' for gods. They called their judges gods. People make film and pop stars their gods, and in nature they are no different from anyone else. We have the House of Lords in England, but they are no more the Lord than you are.

John 10:34 Here the Lord Jesus quoted to the Jews from Psa_82:6. He called this a part of their law. In other words, it was taken from the OT which they acknowledged to be the inspired Word of God. The complete verse is as follows: “I said, ‘You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High.’” The Psalm was addressed to the judges of Israel. They were called “gods” not because they were actually divine, but because they represented God when they judged the people. The Hebrew word for “gods” (elohim) is literally “mighty ones” and may be applied to important figures such as judges. (It is clear from the rest of the Psalm that they were only men and not deities because they judged unjustly, showed respect of persons, and otherwise perverted justice.)

Also, take note about the meaning of elohim that I underlined.

In Hebrews 5:5 God rules out any human genealogy by saying YOU are MY SON (not Joseph). It further states that the man Melchizedek is to be replaced FOREVER. Meaning people must look to the eternal Christ for all things spiritual. Salvation, forgiveness, eternal life, everything.

Do not think you look to Yahweh for these things, you look to Christ.
.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Wait, I do say Jesus is not the Father, but the human son.

You still have not figured out what I teach, because you aren't asking.

Here is how you reconcile Jesus having a God, yet being our God....

The fullness of every bit of what God consists of, indwells Jesus bodily.

This makes him the embodiment of his God, it also qualifies him as God by default.

Barney, if the "Col 2:9 effect" happened to you too, you would qualify as the express image of the invisible God...AKA God.

Fortunately for us all, it only happened to one man, the only begotten son of God...Jesus.

You see, I vindicate Thomas and you debunk him.

Jesus is my Lord and my God, but Jesus is only your Lord and your Lord.

You need to fix this before you see Jesus.

You said here that "The fullness of every bit of what God consists of, indwells Jesus bodily." You agree with others at Colossians 2:9 that it's the fullness of the Godhead that Colossians 2:9 is speaking about. I said that it was the fullness of the divine nature that Colossians 2:9 was speaking about and you basically said I was wrong. I believe you and all others who say Godhead should be used at Colossians 2:9 are wrong because those who believe in the Trinity will attach personality to such words as "Deity," "Divinity," and "Godhead" but those who don't believe in the Trinity agrees Colossians 2:9 is speaking about the fullness of a quality being in Jesus that quality is divine nature/divine quality. So at Colossians 2:9 it Shows me that Christ has in him all the fullness, not of God himself, the Deity, the Godhead, but of the divine nature/divine quality dwelling bodily, and this in behalf of the spiritual body of Christ, so that this body of Christ's followers is possessed of a fullness by means of him: "It is in [Christ] that all the fullness of the divine nature/divine quality dwells bodily. And so you [Christians] are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority." (Colossians 2:9,10)
The point is just because you believe in the trinitarian way of thinking and you say I debunk Thomas that doesn't mean that's true, but you can believe whatever you like.

 

[mjrhealth]

It is important you understand scripture, clearly you do not.

I dont need to know scripture cant save anyone, one only needs to know Jesus, it is in Him whom our salvation and life is.

ct 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.