Is apostolic succession biblical?

[theefaith]

It’s true that public revelation was complete with the apostles John.

what did Nathaniel, Thomas, or Philip teach?

no there are still the successors of the apostles with the authority of the keys, and the power to bind and loose, if it applies to the successors of Moses mt 23:1 and that authority and power passed to Peter, the apostles, and their successors mt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-22 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed, then those today who have that same authority and power are to be obeyed!

Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[Bobby Jo]

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[101G]

the Lord Jesus is the Apostle of his church, just as he is the only preacher in his church. and he appoints, and ordain his apostles. all and every apostle work under his authority if he appointed them.

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[Bobby Jo]

... "where there is ignorance, stay not knowledge" ...

Well spoken.
Bobby Jo

 

[YeshuaFan1]

the Lord Jesus is the Apostle of his church, just as he is the only preacher in his church. and he appoints, and ordain his apostles. all and every apostle work under his authority if he appointed them.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

The only modern day Apostles would be missionaries!

 

[101G]

The only modern day Apostles would be missionaries!

first thanks for the reply, second, NOT so fast. see apostles wore many hats, so to speak, example, Paul was an apostle, but also a prophet, and pastor/Bishop, and Teacher. now scripture, Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;"
Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

see, as was with Paul being a Pastor/Bishop, and teacher was only sent because newly formed churches did not have the teaching experance as some who was with the church at it's beginning, or in "company", with other who was.

understand something, these GIFTS are what we call "offices" in the west, what the bible calls the "work" of God in Christ. see Pastors, are not sent but "given" for it is a GIFT of the Holy Spirit, not an office to hold. understand now?

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[theefaith]

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Bobby Jo

Oh great thanks! I never claimed to be tech savvy

 

[theefaith]

the Lord Jesus is the Apostle of his church, just as he is the only preacher in his church. and he appoints, and ordain his apostles. all and every apostle work under his authority if he appointed them.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

yes that’s what I’m saying, Christ is the only king, savior, head of the church, His church, and He appointed the apostles with Peter as their head on earth, and they have authority to appoint successors. Acts 1 and the authority and power (keys and binding) of the successors of Moses are given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors to this day! Mt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-22 acts 1 etc.

 

[theefaith]

The only modern day Apostles would be missionaries!

no self-appointed missionaries are not apostles

 

[101G]

yes that’s what I’m saying, Christ is the only king, savior, head of the church, His church, and He appointed the apostles with Peter as their head on earth, and they have authority to appoint successors. Acts 1 and the authority and power (keys and binding) of the successors of Moses are given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors to this day! Mt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-22 acts 1 etc.

Peter is dead, and Christ as the APOSTLE is the only HEAD. Isaiah 22:22 "And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open." fulfilled, Revelation 3:7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;" one might want to make a cross reference between those two scriptures. well Peter is not here any more, and if any man be in Christ he's a new creation. and Christ has the Keys, and if one is in him, he, if the Lord Jesus choose have the same keys, for it is vested in him.

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[Enoch111]

Peter

The Eastern Orthodox Church preceded the Roman Catholic Church by several hundred years. They had patriarchates in all the major cities of the Roman empire -- Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople. None of them recognized Peter as the pope over them.

"However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession. Further, neither is Peter presented as “supreme” over the other apostles... Alignment with scriptural teaching, not apostolic succession, is the determining factor of the trueness of a church. What is mentioned in Scripture is the idea that the Word of God was to be the guide that the church was to follow (Acts 20:32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared to (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority was passed on through the writings of the apostles, not through apostolic succession."
Is apostolic succession biblical? | GotQuestions.org

 

[YeshuaFan1]

yes that’s what I’m saying, Christ is the only king, savior, head of the church, His church, and He appointed the apostles with Peter as their head on earth, and they have authority to appoint successors. Acts 1 and the authority and power (keys and binding) of the successors of Moses are given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors to this day! Mt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-22 acts 1 etc.

Rome is not the true Church, as it denies the true Gospel!

 

[101G]

"However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.

ERROR, lets make it plain for you.
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." WHAT IS THE ETERNAL PROMISE, the inheritance? listen to Peter, the one whom you follow, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." THERE IS YOUR SUCCEESSION READ ACTS 2:39

My God if you have the promise? The Holy Spirit you have the KEYS in Christ. why turn a mold hill iunto a MOUNTIAN.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[YeshuaFan1]

ERROR, lets make it plain for you.
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." WHAT IS THE ETERNAL PROMISE, the inheritance? listen to Peter, the one whom you follow, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." THERE IS YOUR SUCCEESSION READ ACTS 2:39

My God if you have the promise? The Holy Spirit you have the KEYS in Christ. why turn a mold hill iunto a MOUNTIAN.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jesus alone holds the keys!

 

[Enoch111]

Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." THERE IS YOUR SUCCEESSION READ ACTS 2:39

You are so thoroughly confused that you were right to adopt your designation as "spiritual saboteur". Do you even understand what is being said in that verse?

 

[101G]

Jesus alone holds the keys!

100% correct. First thanks for the reply, second, a question, how do the Lord Jesus, the COMFORTER work here on EARTH, or who is his hands and feet?... well. .... thank you.

PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

You are so thoroughly confused that you were right to adopt your designation as "spiritual saboteur". Do you even understand what is being said in that verse?

did you read post #30 clearly? .... (smile)...

do you actually think the keys is some material thing object, don't you... (smile).
John 20:22 "And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:"
John 20:23 "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."

the KEYS ARE IN THE SPIRIT.... (smile).

PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

Another successful sabotage operation..... (smile)...lol.

PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jeremiah 1:10 "See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant."

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus alone holds the keys!

Depends on which keys you are referring to. Christ did give Peter "the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven" but what exactly does that mean?

And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven. (Mt 16:19)

Christ gave the apostle Peter two things in this verse: (1) the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven (or Kingdom of God) and (2) authority to bind and loose sins on earth (which would be acceptable in Heaven).

How did Peter exercise this privilege? If we recall that (a) it is only through New Birth that a person can enter and see the Kingdom of God and (b) that it is only through the preaching of the Gospel that a sinner can believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be born again, then it becomes quite clear that (c) when Peter preached to the Jews on the day of Pentecost, he used one of those keys and 3,000 souls were saved, and (d) when Peter preached to the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius, he used the other key to usher in a whole group of Gentiles into the Kingdom of God. (e) Then we seen Peter using his authority to bind and loose sins in (1) the case of Ananias and Sapphira as well as (2) in the case of Simon the Sorcerer.

There may have been many other situations which are not recorded, but this is how we can see the meaning of that verse.

But what is also quite clear is that (1) Peter did not have supreme authority over all the apostles, since Peter and Paul were more or less on the same level (one to the Jews, the other to the Gentiles), and (2) that had Peter been the first *bishop* or Rome, his name would have been prominent in Paul's epistle to the Romans. In fact the pastor/elders in Rome were also the bishops (plural) of the church in Rome.

 

[Bobby Jo]

101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

To All,

These types of circumstances occur in the end-times/last-days.

Welcome to the Tribulation ...
Bobby Jo