Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?

[grumix8]

See that the commandments have to do witht he will the lord spoke and gave commandments this is why were giving freewill because they were written in our heart.

everything is connected and shows the plan of God and secrets inside of it. Truly not only is God's will in his plan but to put things in God's hands, child of heart, the wil of God, the law of eden, the laws of noah, and the 10 commandments and 613 commandments in their and put love shows us the secrets of the plan of God.

 

[grumix8]

We all have freewill and we use it but it must not rely on our efforts but on God efforts.

 

[grumix8]

This is the point only God who is creator of good and evil of light and darkness is who moves it all, we were never meant to understand. What would of happen if he would of not put the tree of good and evil and would of never enter this world. We would of being like children still with our envelope of innocence and be in front ogf God protected by him ?


Yes, our purpose was not good or evil and by human fault we felled. If the tree was not their we would of fallen one will ask ? Nope, everything has plan and God never wanted man in this position what was the purpose of the tree afterwards ? if he would never eaten of it would of other animals eat of it and not man ? or later remove as time passed ? We will never know ? What was really the purpose just as A test of not to be eatena nd alter remove by God ?





But still we know God said that man was like him and the angels that knoweth good and evil ! And still we realize the devil had freewill before us and he fell ! But we know that in our error of Adam we can decide not like the devil but do good in the mistake and rely on God's effort and not our owns and put things in God's hands. Our destiny can change and move but some of you question we cannot escape him or his destiny he saved for us. The question do you want the destiny he did not prepare and leave us in possibility of A million to one what will happen and man just be thrown in space and let him decide ? What will be the outcome if you can plan everyhing since your born from A baby and turn into an adult that instance and God gave you all the power of the future and destiny you wanted ? you will know what you know and you will make A decision better ?




No, this why it is better that inside this world we live we can live in many possibilities and be saved by grace and baptized from sin into salvation and put love into salvation ! We would not of found our destiny if we could decide our destiny in that moment from baby to adult in space. He put us in Eden to be protected and choose not to eat the tree of good and evil and let use have choice ! If we didn't eat we will be perfect and without sin ! But we felled and he gave As econd chance in Jesus and glad that even those scientist believe if they ahd possiblity to ebf ree into choosing thier future our possiblities from predestination would make thier sum of equations and free from God soveriegn and have freewill ?





You have freewill protected and relying in God's effort and his soveriegn that you are not in space making decision but here in the world where in his care of law of moses and law of genesis. They would not of eating the fruti they will live in the probabilities in those rules and soveriegn of G-d's law and love. Be under his guidance and be saved. Knowing we can change those probablities and change our destiny from being A shoe salesman and into lawyer or governor of A state and reach our max and be what we want !


Moses chaneg those probabilities and also Huldah in her prophecy, G-d could reverse those action make us forget it and then done but he let those error stay and destiny was changed seeing he does not make it all effect in a sense of our errors do not ruin our future and in error the Eden will return and heaven on earth and we will be saved despite our errors in Jesus. God could of just erase us and no one will know of our exsitence and done but he lets us know and see those error have existed and predestiantion can change and destiny and sum of those variables and one million in one probablities can change and anything is possible. Let us do good and make knowing of good and evil in God's favor and find our purpose in life and pray to him.


See he made probablities and the sense some people say that one can make decision and really can't change thier future or predestiantion just fear and laziness that future can change and just like Moses and Huldah made mistake know we can make success into our favor and do good and chaneg our future with him and play ahrd abll i life and into all the promblems life does go thru and breakthru it all and not passive christian that rolls over and breaks the mold life give and make good in life and saves his family.


Kicks and screams and changes his future his predestiantion and not this that with God you can't change your future or predestiantion I see you can't change your future idea and you do not understand it still ! This why you do not understand how freewill works in God's favor and his plan of God. But still stuck with the laws of modern world and liberalism USA faces ! You have freedom to choose and better under God's wing and not in space where psycologist and scientist say they don't get to choose and if they choose they would make more errors and wouldn't recognize them !

 

[Behold]

Free will is

Freewill is proven by the fact that you could be outside doing yard work, or inside making a pizza, but you CHOSE to come here and talk about Freewill.

Honestly, some of you....... where is your brain?

A.) LET GO OF JOHN CALVIN...

You can "think for yourself" because that is God's Freewill in action, inside you.

 

[grumix8]

John calvin is not an enemy of God he is A good man like everyone he wrote and did ask the question of " Predestination " and did he's writting christianity would not be todya what it is for this people who sacrifce and got persecuted ! He is not perfect but no one is let just analyze and live our lives in God's hands and put our destiny in his.

Don't judge Calvin your not God to judge him we are all the same ! Don't judge Paul he is like Calvin and paul are sheep who wrote for G-d and made it possible the pastor is always Jesus he is God and what he says is above Paul and Calvin and Luther.

 

[Behold]

John calvin is not an enemy of God he is A good man !

Calvin was not a good man.
He was principally involved, regarding another Believer, who was burned alive for not agreeing with Calvin and some other Theologians regarding the Deity of Christ.
They executed = burned this BELIEVER, because he didnt agree with their theology.
See you thought only POPES were this CARNAL and EViL.
So, you dont know the history of this heretic, and you should study and find out.
Truth will do you good.

""""Good men"""", do not find themselves involved in having someone burned alive, simply because they dont agree with a certain Theology that you believe.

 

[grumix8]

Calvin is not God, but he is not the center of freewil God is and he has freewill and we are made like him .

 

[Behold]

Calvin is not God, but he is not the cneter of freewil God is and he has freewill and we are made like him .

Apparently, to some people, he's nearly God.
As some actually define themselves, not as Christians.....but as "Calvinists".
And if they are too nervous to admit that, they will refer to themselves as some part of Calvin's theology.
Such as "limited Salvationist"... ect.

And, Grumix8...... Calvin is not at the center of "freewill", he's at the center of HIS theology that denies freewill, and says it does not exist.

Calvin teaches that Sovereign God, "controls it all"......all the moving parts of your existence, are "pre-ordained".
Everything according to J. Calvin is pre-controlled to have a pre-determined" outcome.
So, according to J Calvin's Religion, you are not here because you chose to be, but you are here listening to me because God caused you to be here, reader.
And you thought it was your idea?
Oh no.... Can't be that as J.Calvin said so....

Let me show you just how Evil "Hyper Calvinism", can be..

Ready ???

= J. Calvin teaches that you have no free-will. You are a ROBOT PUPPET connected to invisible Heavenly Strings that are causing you to move and do and want..

So, that literally means, according to J. Calvin, that HITLER had no choice, had no freewill, and was CAUSED to burn over 5 million Jews.
"Pre-destined" and "Pre-ordained" by God, according to John Calvin.

Who else teaches this "pre-destined" trash?

A.) THE BUDDHA..

See what you find out, when you REALIZE what Calvin Teaches.
His teaching is that you have no choice, and what you do, .......good, fair, evil, or WORSE< ... = you had to do it, as you have no FREE WILL.
You are just a Cosmic Hand Puppet.

Are you a Pedophile, .. reader?
Are you an Axe Murderer?
Are you a Child Rapist?
Are you a porn fanatic?
Do you HATE GOD and HATE JESUS?

Well, according to Calvin, you are designed that way by God, as you have no FREE WILL to do otherwise.......

Reader, can you now begin to SEE THE EVIL that is J. Calvin's RELIGION?

 

[farouk]

Calvin was not a good man.
He was principally involved, regarding another Believer, who was burned alive for not agreeing with Calvin and some other Theologians regarding the Deity of Christ.
They executed = burned this BELIEVER, because he didnt agree with their theology.
See you thought only POPES were this CARNAL and EViL.
So, you dont know the history of this heretic, and you should study and find out.
Truth will do you good.

""""Good men"""", do not find themselves involved in having someone burned alive, simply because they dont agree with a certain Theology that you believe.

I don't agree with the burning of Servetus (and according to the Justinian code it was the penalty at the time) but Servetus did not believe that the Lord Jesus is God...........

 

[Behold]

I don't agree with the burning of Servetus (and according to the Justinian code it was the penalty at the time) but Servetus did not believe that the Lord Jesus is God...........

It does not matter to God that what the world says, or what the church decides is "right for the time".
Its what His word teaches that is the Final Authority.
God told us to love each other, to forgive each other, to pray for each other, even if we don't agree with each other.
And Calvin knew this, and so did those who decided to be led by their malicious pride filled Religious Spirit and execute a Born again Believer.

THATS MURDER !

Also, there are many on this Forum who do not believe in the Deity of Christ.
Calvin would have them EXECUTED..
Christ would not.

 

[Keraz]

Of this, they are willfully ignorant of…. 2 Peter 3:5.
This is in regard to the forthcoming worldwide judgement by fire, but it applies to all people who want to be free of any hindrance to their own will, to do the things they want to do regardless of what is found in the Word of God. This willingness to be ignorant of the things of God is a willful choice based on a selfish desire rather than a desire to please God.

It is not that they cannot grasp the truth; or that they cannot understand it. The fact is that they do not want the truth because the truth of God's word would mean changing their cozy lifestyle. This also applies to those who have chosen to believe false teachings, in order to avoid the testing times to come.

Look at Acts 7:51-60….Then they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears. Why? They did not want to know the truth about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.


This is true in our day as well. There are multitudes of people who do not want to know the things of God because they do not want to be beholden to God. They are willfully ignorant. Paul said something similar to that in 1 Corinthians 14:38.

But if any man be ignorant, let him remain ignorant. Isaiah 29:9-12

Until a person is willing to receive the truth with an open mind and thereby become mentally renewed , he or she will remain in the dark about salvation and for Christians about the great future God has planned for us.

 

[farouk]

It does not matter to God that what the world says, or what the church decides is "right for the time".
Its what His word teaches that is the Final Authority.
God told us to love each other, to forgive each other, to pray for each other, even if we don't agree with each other.
And Calvin knew this, and so did those who decided to be led by their malicious pride filled Religious Spirit and execute a Born again Believer.

THATS MURDER !

Also, there are many on this Forum who do not believe in the Deity of Christ.
Calvin would have them EXECUTED..
Christ would not.

A lot of Christians have gone to war, also, when other Christians would not have done..........

 

[Behold]

Of this, they are willfully ignorant of…. 2 Peter 3:5.
This is in regard to the forthcoming worldwide judgement by fire, but it applies to all people who want to be free of any hindrance to their own will, to do the things they want to do regardless of what is found in the Word of God..

You are literally batting a 1000 (thousand) regarding everything i have read that you post, as being 100% your personal opinion.

Let me show you something...

Jesus is Indeed coming back to execute judgement on this earth.
But He is not doing it because people want to do what they want to do, as everyone is like that, to some degree or another.

The reality is, Jesus is coming to apply His vengeance, on THESE in the verse below......for this reason stated in the verse.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

"""""In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ""""

 

[grumix8]

For me Calvin is not G-d, niether Paul is ! Only Jesus is ! He is above and scrutiny in Jesus words is what were based on but know that we are talking about freedom here another person ask me for me what is freewill so you don't get me wrong. If calvin would of lived in our time he would of had differnt point of view if he knew of civil act.

Emancipation Proclamation (1863)

That gave african american freedom , homosexuals, and women rights in our world he would be a different person but in those times racism and prejudice dominated and freedom we know as libertarian freedom in modern world derived from freedom greeks talk about in western culture that influence USA, France, and other western worlds, and the freedom from being slave in Jewish law is different and the freedom of spiritual sin and be baptized to be free in Jesus blood is different know we must understand it to understand how we use freedom in choice and put in god's hands not our own in god's effort not our own ! In Jesus's blood.

Know i'm going to post what other friends posted and will explain what behold and others are missing in this talk about freewill.

 

[Behold]

Know i'm going to post what other friends posted and will explain what behold and others are missing in this talk about freewill.

Use your Free Will to post anything you like, grumix8.
You get to decide = Free Will

 

[Keraz]

You are literally batting a 1000 (thousand) regarding everything i have read that you post, as being 100% your personal opinion.

Let me show you something...

Jesus is Indeed coming back to execute judgement on this earth.
But He is not doing it because people want to do what they want to do, as everyone is like that, to some degree or another.

The reality is, Jesus is coming to apply His vengeance, on THESE in the verse below......for this reason stated in the verse.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

"""""In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ""""

What Isaiah, Peter and Paul said is not my opinion.

Jesus is going to send His fiery wrath to reset our civilization, to a similar degree as He did in the days of Noah.
I see you live in Israel. My advice and the many Bible prophesies tell you to leave there, or the fiery wrath of God will strike you, Ezekiel 21:1-7

 

[michaelvpardo]

Freewill is proven by the fact that you could be outside doing yard work, or inside making a pizza, but you CHOSE to come here and talk about Freewill.

Honestly, some of you....... where is your brain?

A.) LET GO OF JOHN CALVIN...

You can "think for yourself" because that is God's Freewill in action, inside you.

Choice is not free will, nor free will choice. If I tell you I'll give you a hamburger or fried chicken, and you want pizza, you can choose the hamburger or the chicken, but you're not satisfying your will, but mine.

 

[Behold]

I see you live in Israel. My advice and the many Bible prophesies tell you to leave there, or the fiery wrath of God will strike you, Ezekiel 21:1-7

Your Theologic mind is missing regarding the safety of Israel.

In Fact, its the only safe place to be, as not only will it be protected from Armageddon, it is literally where the actual born again, will come to LIVE with JESUS, during the Millennium.
So, do you think it will be destroyed when GOD Himself as Jesus comes HERE for 1000 yrs, with all the BORN AGAIN?

Guess again, theological guesser.

 

[Behold]

Choice is not free will, nor free will choice. If I tell you I'll give you a hamburger or fried chicken, and you want pizza, you can choose the hamburger or the chicken, but you're not satisfying your will, but mine.

What you choose to do, at any given moment= is your Free Will, choice, you have made.

 

[michaelvpardo]

What you choose to do, at any given moment= is your Free Will, choice, you have made.

A choice of limited option that doesn't express your will is not a free choice, never was, never will be.
I had a conversation with one of our deacons this weekend over the topic (he's potentially an elder in the congregation, but we don't have the biblical structure established.)
He leans toward your opinion, in that God's election is expressed in our choices. We perceive that we've chosen God, but the theology of being born again expresses the exact opposite. That "choice" was made by His will, not ours.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God." John1:12-13

I was under the impression that you understood and believed these verses.