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-Love your enemies
-Pray for your enemies
-Bless those who curse you
-Love one another
-Pray/Intercede for kings and those in authority
-Watch your mouth
-Paying your taxes to Caeser

What about 1 John 3:15 and 1 John 4:20?

We are meant to Love one another and not hate one another.

These all still apply for Christians today.
 
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-Love your enemies
-Pray for your enemies
-Bless those who curse you
-Love one another
-Pray/Intercede for kings and those in authority
-Watch your mouth
-Paying your taxes to Caeser

What about 1 John 3:15 and 1 John 4:20?

We are meant to Love one another and not hate one another.

These all still apply for Christians today.

1 Timothy 2:1-2 also says that we should pray for all men.

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

-NKJV

In other versions all men is translated into all people.

"I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness."

-NIV

So who should we pray for? All people, including Kings and all those in authority.
 
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Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

No offense now, but you sure are a windy feller; ya'll was even kind enough to answer yer own questions....

They support and fight for the right to murder over 600,000 innocent babies a year. That is 600,000 a year, around 8 million in ten years, that dwarfs the holocaust! Even Hitler did not target babies. This is one of their central core concerns and I truly believe that Satan applauds their efforts.

That's what I like to refer to as hogwash and horsepucky...

Perhaps you are like many of yer kin, one of them Holocaust deniers? For the rest of us, history says that Hitler killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps, alone. This here number don't count them homosexuals, atheists, political prisoners, Roma (that's them Gypsie folk), and disabled folk (can't let them bad jeans ruin the jeanpool), and Slavs (I reckon political correctness ain't your cup o tea so since you were kind enough to lump me together as one them so called Democratic, baby killers, I figured you didn't mind if I generalized you as a rednecked simpleton, and "met you where yer at" - yer welcome!), and all them other folks that curled Hitler's mustache.

O beggin yer pardon, but how exactly is allowing women to choose to get an abortion a forced murder? Seems to me it is ensuring the safety of the mamma. You love your momma, don't ya? Cause, I reckon knowing yer baby's mamma, in the Biblical sense, especially when that there fetus is terminally ill or you and little Daisy Duke ain't even 14, can often times cause a body to reconsider them back alley type abortions. Don't take my word for it, ask Trump! I am certain he has paid a few doctors in his day, if ya get my meanin. Nothin like getting her done and then getting it done the Trump way....

Also, do you really want to raise a hootenanny about Hitler and them liberals? Well so be it then, grab yer banjo cause I got somebody for you to meet in the light of reality cause Trump's authoritarianism and rabid Nativism would have made the Fuhrer blush...

On the side, since when do Evangelicals believe babies are innocent? You guys have never been shy about assigning Original Sin to infants as soon as the emerge into the world, right? Then again, caring really ends after the birthing....never mind.

Anyhoo, not to beat a dead horse, but didn't Jesus teach that life is life, whether it is fetus, infant, or late, late, late term abortion of them fellers on Death Row? Not to knock you outta yer comfort zone but seems to me, consistency should have some role here.

In no way do they include God in their campaign even taking the words “under God” out of the pledge of Allegiance. They even pause to make sure everyone understands they are intentionally omitting the words. This anti-God sentiment is so strong that most Democrats know that if they spoke of believing in God, or Christian morals, they would loose support of their colleagues and voters. This anti-God campaign is central to their beliefs.

I don't want to speak out of school, but I know havin to hear Trump mistake himself for the Chosen One, kinda left a bad taste in my mouth...Perhaps Biden quietly attending church to worship, without clearing the street and holding up the Holy Writ, upside down, may indeed be a welcome change for America?

Also, as many are aware, "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s by the Knights of Columbus - a Catholic organization interfering in government. So now you know just how far back you gotta go to get back to the roots of the Pledge (I know, I thought the 50s were the dawn of this here Republic too - yer welcome)

Oh! And rest easy! Both Biden and yours truly are both a pair of Bible Believing Catholics and we ain't ashamed to tell ya'll neither.

The right to worship…in the Democrat states the right to assemble and worship has been made illegal, supposedly because of Covid. But they say they believe in the science of it, but the lockdown approach has been used and proven ineffective in this country and around the world. The science of it is that, if it was going to be effective, it would have already been effective.

Yes sir! Lockdown is an admission of a complete failure to anticipate, implement, and manage an effective pandemic course of action, like Asian and European nations pulled off. Shucky Ducky! It was Trump's willful incompetence matched with his incapacity to address COVID 19 that will cost him the election and any shred of a legacy he might have been dreaming about.

While shutting down the churches the Democrats support the lawless, destructive, violent, and murderous protests by mobs….Which by the way, proves that the assembly of large crowds does not promote the spread of Covid. They know this, so the shutting down of the churches is just because they do not like Christians. Do they hate God or do they just not believe there is a God?

Sure is offly kind of you to remember all them good hearted protesters shot down by militias across this great nation!

Now, I am left wondering...why you seem to be forgettin all them sportin events, concerts, and other large events of all ilks that have been also cancelled 'long with church? Ah, it must be that pandemic only conservative Christians and cults catch...that them there Persecution Complex! Ya'll better be careful, I think the Republican Party has got a right bad case of it too. In this case, masks really don't help.

From what that Fauchi feller is sayin, COVID is extremely contagious and deadly for older people and people with pre-existing conditions - I know I have one them bad tickers and some of that high sugar in my blood and I really don't want to die because you value Trumps intuition (read his interview with Bob Woodward in Rage and see what he really knew about COVID and hid from us) over scientists and doctors. This is what they call that "pervasive anti-intellectualism" among Conservatives, which really chafes me.

The Democrats have taken Christian groups to court to try to force them to comply with the rules of “Obamacare” and abortion. Women’s groups who council women are forbidden by law to speak against abortion.

Yep, we is a sue happy nation! In this way, above all others, Trump connects with the little man...

Twenty million people benefit from the ACA. I know, you guys like gettin to go to the doctor AND still gettin yer vittles on a daily basis. Funny how so many loved them benefits, while, at the same time yodeling to get rid of Obamacare....

The Democrats have made it clear that they denounce the founding of this country, its history, and those leaders that were part of it. They have admitted this and support the mobs that destroy the monuments to our past, even calling for the removal of more monuments. This is all part of the 1619 project which they intend to teach to our children. “Our country is bad and communism and atheism is good!" Which is why they are against school choice that would give children of all races an opportunity for a better education.

Nah. I am fixing to tell you though, we Democrats are tired of you conservatives re-writing history in your own image. Our country was established by rich white men, with themselves in mind. They were Freemasons and Unitarians who all owned land and they designed a Constitution that only allowed white men who were landowners to participate in government. Even Washington DC is layout according to Freemason ideals. Do you really think that there obelisk we call the Washington monument is Christian? Because, them Pagans out there will be happy to remind you of its Ancient Egyptian, occultism origin.

If we are Christian now, what kind did we decide on? Quakers? Puritans? Anglicans? Baptists? Shakers? Unitarians? Deists? Mormons? Adventists? Unity? Swendenborg? Pentecostal? Evangelical? Independent Fundamentalists? Presbyterians? Congregationalists, Jehovahs Witnesses? Church of Science? Church of Christ? Any myriad of mega church movements? Oh and before you say that not all of these doctrines are Christian, the majority of the members of these church would disagree with you and many could give you the same revisionist rational for why they are the real Christians and how the founding fathers actually started our country based on the principles taught at their church.

Not only would most of the Founding Fathers themselves, fail the evangelical litmus test, they were men who watched the fallout of terrible religious wars back in Europe for centuries - they were more afraid that religion would hijack our government and repeat this horror than making America Christian.
 

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We are to REPROVE THE WORKS OF DARKNESS and have no fellowship with them (Eph 5:11).

Can you discern between light and darkness, or has the world bamboozled you?

The key word there is "the works". It does not mean we are to hate the people though.

And to do the following, one does not need to have fellowship with them.

We are still meant to love our enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who persecute you, love one another, pray for all people, kings and those in authority.
 
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We are to REPROVE THE WORKS OF DARKNESS and have no fellowship with them (Eph 5:11).

Can you discern between light and darkness, or has the world bamboozled you?
That may be the worst case of taking a verse out of context I ever saw. Paul is talking about establishing good order inside the church.

Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
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11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.


Who has bamboozled you and other Christians to want to associate with someone who does the very things Paul talks about? You'd rather not look at Trump and at yourself and at some of the ministers who supported him. You'd rather point fingers at others.
 

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Education….it takes little effort to find out that they support teaching our children communism, atheism, homosexuality, support for abortion, and drug use in our schools. Teachers and principals are threatened with dismissal if they tell the parents what they are teaching their children…Every parent needs to look into this. I and others have done the research and I have personally done the interviews. Make it your business to know what they are teaching your children. If your kids are not doing the pledge of allegiance to the flag in school, that is your first clue.

Our education system is broken. Yet, instead of committing money equally across all school districts, learning what works in other countries, and refusing to exploit our children by hooking them on the true American religion, consumerism, we continue to scavenge the bones of public education. Yet, as Betsy DeVos well knows, the demise of public education in America will restrict children to private education, paid for by rich parents, whose taxpayer dollars will be reallocated to the private, elite schools of their chose. And if you think costs will be affordable, just take a gander at university tuition under the horrific cash grab system without oversight brought to you by Sallie Mae. Unfortunately, we have never been a country who values education, yet, we know from history that democracies can only be as healthy as its educated populous. Go figure....

Drugs….Democrats support, even believe it is a right to take drugs. Their efforts to legalize drugs is something they do not even try to hide. Marijuana stores! Who would have ever thought that? Had a guy delivering furniture to my house and I was talking to him and noticed the cab of his truck reeked of Marijuana. So I said, Like the weed do ya? He replied that he had a medical prescription. I laughed and replied, And the prescription says that you should specifically smoke while you are driving?

I am sure he was ridin with Biden!

I hope you called the police because he was breaking the law.

Except for the murderous protests the Democrats stand against the 1st amendment to the Constitution. They want and work at silencing those that are of other options or others that stand against their evil acts and intentions, specifically Christians.

ah...there's that persecution complex that butters the evangelical bread.....and you guys call liberals snowflakes....what a cosmic joke.

Legal….Their only interest in laws are the laws that support abortion and homosexual marriages, drug use and the murderous riots. No one accuses the Democrats of being for law and order. If you want a prosecutor that hates law enforcement officers and is out to make a life of crime a safe occupation….vote in a Democrat prosecutor. If you are paying attention, law enforcement supports the Republicans.

I am paying attention to Trump turning a blind eye to police abuses, systemic racism, and the big money made locking people up. Of course, Trump loves his police force, all Fascist Dictators do - even the wannabes. Indeed there is a reason Fascist regimes are called police states.

11. From the CBS news website…. Democratic 2020 candidates struggle over whether to legalize sex work… “sex work!” lol Why not, they call murder abortion! Prostitution and sex trafficking. You would do well to look this up. All forms of sexual depravity… homosexuals, marriages of homosexuals, prostitution, and sex trafficking. Sex trafficking…not willing to admit that they support it…but if you notice they do not lead a campaign to stop it or prosecute offenders.

Democratic 2020 candidates struggle over whether to legalize sex work

So as Republicans continue to stack the courts, steal from the poor to give to the rich, steal from future generations by skyrocketing the debt, and strip healthcare from 20 million Americans, including those working poor, duped into believing Trump was looking out for them? And you are thinking about condemning sex workers, without a thought to the men keeping them in business regardless of the legality of sex work? Wow

Law enforcement…The Democrats support Defunding the police and as you can see not one Democrat has stood up to denounce this ludicrous idea. The Democrats are against law and order, responsibility, and accountability.

You mean demilitarizing the police? Yah, you know what defunding the police means, but go ahead and make it sound sensational. While your at it, why not ask all the generals why they aren't backing your "law and order" banana Republican....

The Democrats do not believe that the United States is a sovereign nation and so believe that its borders should be open and that illegal aliens should have the same rights and access to public schools, medical care and welfare and unemployment services that the American citizens have. It is basically their motto “their fair share is in your pocket.” Their priorities and allegiance to crime is shown by the fact that they have established 165 sanctuary cities and counties...that is and counties. You might not know that...165 safe havens for illegal aliens that you are paying to support.

Your hypocrisy is screaming again...

You do not get to invoke programs your Banana Republican wants to end, like public education, the ACA, and welfare. Also, you now need to choose - did Obama deport more people than Trump? Or do Democrats want open borders? Because both sides of Republican's mouth love to yammer on and on and on about both depending on who they are talking to.
 

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Sovereign county…The Democrats have never been known to support the military…but the Republicans have always celebrated the heroes of our military. Why don’t they support the military? Well if a communist country attacks and takes over this country, it just makes their job easier. Would they even put up a fight?

Trump has burnt all bridges with our military. He doesn't like losers who are captured, remember? He doesn't like visiting military cemeteries to honor our war heroes when it is raining, remember? He knows more about war, as a draft dodger than all of "his" generals combined, remember?

The Democrats openly acknowledge that they want to convert this country to socialism. But even that is a lie, they want some weird form of green anarchy communism which will stand against Christianity. A communist country that support Christianity?…. there is no such thing.

So you have settle on misinterpreting democratic socialism with socialism? Along with labeling the entire Democratic Party with a few statements by Bernie Sanders? You know he didn't win the primary, right? It's Biden that is whipping Trump b-hind, not Bernie. Your willful ignorance speaks for itself.

One of the first things a communist regime does is disarm the public…so the Democrats are against the 2nd amendment and want to disarm the public, leaving them defenseless against the criminals and murderous mobs. One of the talking points of Democrats is that if you are a Christian, white, and a working tax payer, you are a White Supremacist.

Keep pretending that regulation of firearms is confiscation of fire arms, maybe yer kin will keep buying it.
Right....because only Christian, white people are working tax payers....just ask Trump!

So is it a sin for Christians to vote for any Democrat? Is it a sin for Christians to support the Democrats in any way? You might think that the Democrats in your area are good, but all that matters is how a politician votes and if you look (and I have) the Democrats stand together in all of their evil intentions. So, where do you stand, with God or Satan?

I will refer you to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I am sure He will draw you a compelling picture in the dust.
 

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Might it be a sin for vote for a regime where the government may be performing surgeries on women without their consent? When I first heard the allegation, I didn't know if I should believe it or not. It sounded like something the Nazis under Hitler would do. Now Mexico says they've identified two of the women.

Mexico identifies two women who may have received non-consensual surgeries in ICE detention - CNN

Mexico has identified two women who may have been subjected to non-consensual surgeries while detained by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The finding is part of a larger Mexican investigation into allegations of improper medical care for detained migrant women at ICE's privately-run Irwin Country Detention Center in Ocilla, Georgia.

In a statement released during the weekend, Mexico's Foreign Ministry said one Mexican national received "a surgical intervention" that she did not authorize. The ministry specified that the operation was not a hysterectomy, and said she did not receive post-operative care. The woman also did not receive treatment for a hernia, the statement adds.

A second woman in Mexico allegedly underwent a gynecological surgery "without her full consent," according to the Ministry, which did not specify the type of surgery. The statement says she did not "receive an explanation in Spanish of the medical diagnosis or the nature of the medical procedures that would be performed." The government says it is "verifying" this case.

Reached for comment on Tuesday, ICE released a statement attributed to Acting Director Tony Pham that the allegations "raise very serious concerns that deserve to be investigated," and are being reviewed by both the Office of Inspector General where the original whistleblower complaint was filed, and the Department of Homeland Security.

"If there is any truth to these allegations, it is my commitment to make the corrections necessary to ensure we continue to prioritize the health, welfare and safety of ICE detainees," Pham said in the statement.

In September, Dawn Wooten, a licensed practical nurse formerly employed at Georgia's Irwin County Detention Center filed a complaint raising concerns about an undetermined number of hysterectomies supposedly performed there, as well as alleged medical neglect.

At least 20 women have since been interviewed by Mexican officials as part of the ongoing investigation. According to an earlier statement by the Foreign Ministry, five women said they had "interactions" with a doctor who has been linked to allegedly improper surgeries.

Is it a sin to support a regime which may be using Homeland Security to operate illegally in Guatemala? I thought Homeland Security was to mind affairs inside the US. Now they're doing stuff in Guatemala out of the desire to please President Trump, acting as a police force there? Is this the rule of law?

US agents in Guatemala detained Honduran migrants in unauthorized operation: Senate report

Specifically, CBP personnel in Guatemala transported an unidentified number of Honduran migrants in unmarked vans to relocate them to the Guatemala-Honduras border," the report read.

The incident, which occurred in January, shows the extent to which American immigration policy is carried out south of the U.S.-Mexico border.

It's also a case that shows a rift between the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department, which is responsible for funding the program under which CBP personnel were deployed.

The report states that the State Department misinformed Foreign Relations committee investigators on January 22, saying the department's Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL) was informed by DHS that agents "did not participate in the action of bussing Honduran migrants from Guatemala."

"However, as would soon become apparent, DHS had lied to the State Department in order to cover up its role in the joint operations with Guatemalan authorities," according to the report.

A week later, DHS and State Department officials told committee investigators that the actions taken by CBP officials violated the terms of the agreement between the two agencies.

"This explosive report is a painful reminder of how President Trump's anti-immigrant agenda has overtaken every aspect of this administration's work," said Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), the ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee, whose staff wrote the report.

The direct tactical participation of U.S. officials in foreign immigration enforcement is believed to be the first such case, and could break a series of U.S. and international laws.

Because Honduran migrants were allegedly bussed back to their country without rosters, paperwork or oversight, there is no way to know if families were separated in the process, or whether any asylum rights were violated.

Stay tuned. These things will likely be investigated at greater length in a Biden administration. Some people in these rogue operations will probably be prosecuted. It seems to me our government is starting to run amok under a lack of proper leadership. Trump almost seems to be encouraging the breakdown of law and order while saying he's in favor of it -- thus we see him encouraging his followers to break the election laws. There are law governing observers at polling places -- Trump doesn't seem to care about those laws. He wants thugs to show up instead of letting the police do their job.
 
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Ephesians 4:29-32 "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."
Oh, my! We would all do well to obey these instructions. Hopefully, you include yourself.
 
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Might it be a sin for vote for a regime where the government may be performing surgeries on women without their consent? When I first heard the allegation, I didn't know if I should believe it or not. It sounded like something the Nazis under Hitler would do. Now Mexico says they've identified two of the women.

I'm against this, to be sure.

BUT will you continue to sidestep the injustice of the millions of innocent babies murdered???

And the fact that the official position of the Democrats is that women have a RIGHT TO DO THIS???
 

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Our education system is broken. Yet, instead of committing money equally across all school districts, learning what works in other countries, and refusing to exploit our children by hooking them on the true American religion, consumerism, we continue to scavenge the bones of public education. Yet, as Betsy DeVos well knows, the demise of public education in America will restrict children to private education, paid for by rich parents, whose taxpayer dollars will be reallocated to the private, elite schools of their chose. And if you think costs will be affordable, just take a gander at university tuition under the horrific cash grab system without oversight brought to you by Sallie Mae. Unfortunately, we have never been a country who values education, yet, we know from history that democracies can only be as healthy as its educated populous. Go figure....



I am sure he was ridin with Biden!

I hope you called the police because he was breaking the law.



ah...there's that persecution complex that butters the evangelical bread.....and you guys call liberals snowflakes....what a cosmic joke.



I am paying attention to Trump turning a blind eye to police abuses, systemic racism, and the big money made locking people up. Of course, Trump loves his police force, all Fascist Dictators do - even the wannabes. Indeed there is a reason Fascist regimes are called police states.



So as Republicans continue to stack the courts, steal from the poor to give to the rich, steal from future generations by skyrocketing the debt, and strip healthcare from 20 million Americans, including those working poor, duped into believing Trump was looking out for them? And you are thinking about condemning sex workers, without a thought to the men keeping them in business regardless of the legality of sex work? Wow



You mean demilitarizing the police? Yah, you know what defunding the police means, but go ahead and make it sound sensational. While your at it, why not ask all the generals why they aren't backing your "law and order" banana Republican....



Your hypocrisy is screaming again...

You do not get to invoke programs your Banana Republican wants to end, like public education, the ACA, and welfare. Also, you now need to choose - did Obama deport more people than Trump? Or do Democrats want open borders? Because both sides of Republican's mouth love to yammer on and on and on about both depending on who they are talking to.

@aspen Quite the ultra-liberal commentary! You should write for CNN! Or do you???
 

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If you contributed to my thread about abortion, I missed it. Do you need a link?
Sorry, I do my best to avoid your threads even though I've read plenty of your stuff in my threads. Gotta keep my blood pressure from rising too much. I hope you understand.
 
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If you contributed to my thread about abortion, I missed it.

Where do aborted babies go?

Speaking of the abortion issue, I must have missed the outrage from pro-life conservatives when Trump touted his miracle COVID cure that was developed using cells from aborted fetal tissue. It became strangely quiet in my end of the world with the conservatives I personally know.
 
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Speaking of the abortion issue, I must have missed the outrage from pro-life conservatives when Trump touted his miracle COVID cure that was developed using cells from aborted fetal tissue. It became strangely quiet in my end of the world with the conservatives I personally know.
All I can say is this conservative has objected to the use of aborted babies for ANY vaccine, so you can count me as one!

Where do you stand on the hundreds of thousands of babies who are being murdered EVERY YEAR--RIGHT NOW???
 
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Sorry, I do my best to avoid your threads. Gotta keep my blood pressure from rising too much. I hope you understand.
Another insincere comment? You pretend to want to know my views on abortion but then dodge when I invite to you to a thread where I already gave some of my views? I begin to remember why I put you on ignore -- you find it hard to be sincere and direct.

I'll say something here I didn't say there. Republicans keep campaigning on the issue of abortion and trying to overturn Roe v. Wade. Justice Scalia was right when he said the Supreme Court couldn't solve that problem. If it was overturned, it wouldn't ban abortions nationwide. It would return the matter to the states, the way it was before Roe v. Wade. Some states would ban it, others wouldn't.

Republicans have campaigned on it for decades, knowing full well they can't keep their promises; but goodhearted Christians keep giving them money and voting for them because they keep making false promises. Scalia told a minister, pointing at him I think, that it was churches which would solve the problem. Surely that's right. And surely too, writing compassionate laws would reduce the number of abortions. Abortions went down under Obama.

In the coronavirus stimulus package, there was nothing -- zero -- to address the needs of women who were worried about the future if they carried their children to term. Would they have a job? A place to live? Food? Nothing was done to help such women. The hypocrisy and cold indifference of the Republicans disgusted me. If any Republican in Congress expressed concern over it, I missed it.

Story here: Abortion clinics see high demand, more phone calls amid coronavirus
 
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Speaking of the abortion issue, I must have missed the outrage from pro-life conservatives when Trump touted his miracle COVID cure that was developed using cells from aborted fetal tissue. It became strangely quiet in my end of the world with the conservatives I personally know.
I guess it's okay if Trump says it's okay. If getting a vaccine fast would help him get elected, by all means use that aborted fetal tissue even though you said before you were against it. Trump can do no wrong. I thought he was exaggerating when he said he could shoot someone and not lose any voters. Now I'm starting to believe he was right about that.

 
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All I can say is this conservative has objected to the use of aborted babies for ANY vaccine, so you can count me as one!

Where do you stand on the hundreds of thousands of babies who are being murdered EVERY YEAR--RIGHT NOW???
But you are willing to support a president who funded such research and who took treatment involving products developed using it? And it's a sin to vote for Democrats?
 
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Another insincere comment? You pretend to want to know my views on abortion but then dodge when I invite to you to a thread where I already gave some of my views? I begin to remember why I put you on ignore -- you find it hard to be sincere and direct.

I'll say something here I didn't say there. Republicans keep campaigning on the issue of abortion and trying to overturn Roe v. Wade. Justice Scalia was right when he said the Supreme Court couldn't solve that problem. If it was overturned, it wouldn't ban abortions nationwide. It would return the matter to the states, the way it was before Roe v. Wade. Some states would ban it, others wouldn't.

Republicans have campaigned on it for decades, knowing full well they can't keep their promises; but goodhearted Christians keep giving them money and voting for them because they keep making false promises. Scalia told a minister, pointing at him I think, that it was churches which would solve the problem. Surely that's right. And surely too, writing compassionate laws would reduce the number of abortions. Abortions went down under Obama.

In the coronavirus stimulus package, there was nothing -- zero -- to address the needs of women who were worried about the future if they carried their children to term. Would they have a job? A place to live? Food? Nothing was done to help such women. The hypocrisy and cold indifference of the Republicans disgusted me. If any Republican in Congress expressed concern over it, I missed it.

Story here: Abortion clinics see high demand, more phone calls amid coronavirus

The hypocrisy and the indifference of many pro-life conservatives I've encountered over the years disgusts me too, Giuliano.

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." - Sister Joan D. Chittister (A Catholic Nun Perfectly Explains the Major Hypocrisy of the "Pro-Life" Argument).
 
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