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Prayer Warrior

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Another insincere comment? You pretend to want to know my views on abortion but then dodge when I invite to you to a thread where I already gave some of my views? I begin to remember why I put you on ignore -- you find it hard to be sincere and direct.
This morning is the first I heard that you had a thread pertaining to abortion. (Edit: See comment below.)

I'll say something here I didn't say there. Republicans keep campaigning on the issue of abortion and trying to overturn Roe v. Wade. Justice Scalia was right when he said the Supreme Court couldn't solve that problem. If it was overturned, it wouldn't ban abortions nationwide. It would return the matter to the states, the way it was before Roe v. Wade. Some states would ban it, others wouldn't.
Overturning Roe could BEGIN to solve the problem! And this horrible unconstitutional activist decision should be overturned!

Republicans have campaigned on it for decades, knowing full well they can't keep their promises; but goodhearted Christians keep giving them money and voting for them because they keep making false promises. Scalia told a minister, pointing at him I think, that it was churches which would solve the problem. Surely that's right. And surely too, writing compassionate laws would reduce the number of abortions. Abortions went down under Obama.
You mean REPORTED abortions went down under Obama. I seriously doubt this statistic!

In the coronavirus stimulus package, there was nothing -- zero -- to address the needs of women who were worried about the future if they carried their children to term. Would they have a job? A place to live? Food? Nothing was done to help such women. The hypocrisy and cold indifference of the Republicans disgusted me. If any Republican in Congress expressed concern over it, I missed it.
And you think abortion is a good solution to this problem??? Or what? What are you saying? I would say you miss a lot!

The first stimulus money went out to a broad spectrum of Americans, including the impoverished. I suppose you think Pelosi cares about the impoverished?? Oh, we mustn't talk about her!
 
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The hypocrisy and the indifference of many pro-life conservatives I've encountered over the years disgusts me too, Giuliano.
Sounds like you know all the wrong people. You should get to know some pro-lifers who put their money where their mouth is and work in clinics that provide free medical care and help women (who choose not to have their babies killed) in every other way imaginable!
 
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But you are willing to support a president who funded such research and who took treatment involving products developed using it? And it's a sin to vote for Democrats?

Trump has repeatedly touted himself as pro-life and the champion president of the pro-life movement. What happened to his public proclamation of "Every life brings love into this world. Every child brings joy to a family. Every person is worth protecting" and "Unborn children have never had a greater defender in the White House"? Has Mr. "I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue" forgot about these aborted children? I wonder if he had expressed a personal objection to using his "miracle COVID cure" knowing full well it was developed with aborted fetal tissue.
 

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If you contributed to my thread about abortion, I missed it.

Where do aborted babies go?
I had to go look, but actually, I did comment in that thread! Not sure how you missed it.

This is my comment:


I believe that the soul of every human being is given a choice about believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior or rejecting Him. This is what Jesus explained to Nicodemus:

John 3:16-21--“For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the One and Only Son of God.
“This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be exposed. But anyone who lives by the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be shown to be accomplished by God.”
@Giuliano -- killing unborn babies is not doing them any favors at all! This idea is warped beyond belief! The unborn baby is a human life, and killing the unborn amounts to murder, which is never spoken of in the Bible as a good thing.
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What I said was in response to what you said in your OP:

What do you think happens to babies if they are aborted?

Can you believe God would send innocent babies to hell? That doesn't seem right to me.

If they go to Heaven, think about it. If they were born, they could become terrible sinners and wind up in hell. If someone killed them first, they'd go to Heaven. So can that be right? Could you be doing a baby a favor by aborting it and sending it to Heaven? That doesn't seem right to me either.
 
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Trump has repeatedly touted himself as pro-life and the champion president of the pro-life movement. What happened to his public proclamation of "Every life brings love into this world. Every child brings joy to a family. Every person is worth protecting" and "Unborn children have never had a greater defender in the White House"? Has Mr. "I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue" forgot about these aborted children?
You preachin' to the choir, honey. I said that I objected to the use of dead babies for any vaccine. In fact, I will go on record as saying that I object to this for ANY purpose! There is NO need to kill babies and use their dead bodies for anything remotely resembling medical science or for ANY other reason!

BTW, where do you stand on this issue??
 
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This morning is the first I heard that you had a thread pertaining to abortion.
And when I asked you about it, I got a sarcastic response.

Overturning Roe could BEGIN to solve the problem! And this horrible unconstitutional activist decision should be overturned!
No, Justice Scalia was right. It wouldn't solve anything since there would be states where it was legal, and people could travel to them from states where it wasn't legal.


You mean REPORTED abortions went down under Obama. I seriously doubt this statistic!
The Guttmacher Institute is strongly opposed to abortion. I got the following chart from them at Induced Abortion in the United States

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I believe (not sure) that the number continued to decline in the first three years of Trump. I am not sure what the numbers will be for 2020.


And you think abortion is a good solution to this problem??? Or what? What are you saying? I would say you miss a lot!

The first stimulus money went out to a broad spectrum of Americans, including the impoverished. I suppose you think Pelosi cares about the impoverished?? Oh, we mustn't talk about her!
I was not saying abortion was the answer. I was saying that under pressure worried women will see it as an answer.

I am saying fewer women choose abortion when they feel better about the future. There are some women who already have kids, but if times are tough, they worry about how they could afford another one.

I am disappointed that Pelosi and the Democrats were like the Republicans on this. No one seemed concerned about pregnant women. For example, I still don't know if coronavirus could cause birth defects or rack up huge medical bills for new born babies if their mother had it. I would have liked to see the stimulus package pay the medical bills for babies born to mother with coronavirus at least for three years so they didn't have to worry about that. I think guaranteeing rent payments and food would also be right if the parents couldn't return to work or if they had to take part time jobs.
 
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I had to go look, but actually, I did comment in that thread! Not sure how you missed it.

This is my comment:




What I said was in response to what you said in your OP:
I see no answer to the question. Do aborted babies go to heaven or hell?
 

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And when I asked you about it, I got a sarcastic response.

No, Justice Scalia was right. It wouldn't solve anything since there would be states where it was legal, and people could travel to them from states where it wasn't legal.


The Guttmacher Institute is strongly opposed to abortion. I got the following chart from them at Induced Abortion in the United States

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I believe (not sure) that the number continued to decline in the first three years of Trump. I am not sure what the numbers will be for 2020.


I was not saying abortion was the answer. I was saying that under pressure worried women will see it as an answer.

I am saying fewer women choose abortion when they feel better about the future. There are some women who already have kids, but if times are tough, they worry about how they could afford another one.

I am disappointed that Pelosi and the Democrats were like the Republicans on this. No one seemed concerned about pregnant women. For example, I still don't know if coronavirus could cause birth defects or rack up huge medical bills for new born babies if their mother had it. I would have liked to see the stimulus package pay the medical bills for babies born to mother with coronavirus at least for three years so they didn't have to worry about that. I think guaranteeing rent payments and food would also be right if the parents couldn't return to work or if they had to take part time jobs.

Thank you for sharing this information, Giuliano. It's most insightful.

FWIW, I've shared my stand on the abortion issue a couple of weeks on this site.
 

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I see no answer to the question. Do aborted babies go to heaven or hell?
Read my response. How can anyone possibly know what they choose??

Their mothers' "legal right" to CHOOSE to have them killed means that they are never given a chance to live their lives and make THEIR CHOICES known!
 
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FWIW, I've shared my stand on the abortion issue a couple of weeks on this site.
This is your "stand" on abortion??

Edit: @Seven of Nine Will you take a stand for the right of the unborn to be born and live???

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Preamble to the Declaration of Independence
 
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-Love your enemies
-Pray for your enemies
-Bless those who curse you
-Love one another
-Pray/Intercede for kings and those in authority
-Watch your mouth
-Paying your taxes to Caeser

What about 1 John 3:15 and 1 John 4:20?

We are meant to Love one another and not hate one another.

These all still apply for Christians today.
Hate is strictly against my religion.
But it is not against my religion to fight evil.
I don't get cozy up with Satan nor those that follow his footsteps
 
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No offense now, but you sure are a windy feller; ya'll was even kind enough to answer yer own questions....



That's what I like to refer to as hogwash and horsepucky...

Perhaps you are like many of yer kin, one of them Holocaust deniers? For the rest of us, history says that Hitler killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps, alone. This here number don't count them homosexuals, atheists, political prisoners, Roma (that's them Gypsie folk), and disabled folk (can't let them bad jeans ruin the jeanpool), and Slavs (I reckon political correctness ain't your cup o tea so since you were kind enough to lump me together as one them so called Democratic, baby killers, I figured you didn't mind if I generalized you as a rednecked simpleton, and "met you where yer at" - yer welcome!), and all them other folks that curled Hitler's mustache.

O beggin yer pardon, but how exactly is allowing women to choose to get an abortion a forced murder? Seems to me it is ensuring the safety of the mamma. You love your momma, don't ya? Cause, I reckon knowing yer baby's mamma, in the Biblical sense, especially when that there fetus is terminally ill or you and little Daisy Duke ain't even 14, can often times cause a body to reconsider them back alley type abortions. Don't take my word for it, ask Trump! I am certain he has paid a few doctors in his day, if ya get my meanin. Nothin like getting her done and then getting it done the Trump way....

Also, do you really want to raise a hootenanny about Hitler and them liberals? Well so be it then, grab yer banjo cause I got somebody for you to meet in the light of reality cause Trump's authoritarianism and rabid Nativism would have made the Fuhrer blush...

On the side, since when do Evangelicals believe babies are innocent? You guys have never been shy about assigning Original Sin to infants as soon as the emerge into the world, right? Then again, caring really ends after the birthing....never mind.

Anyhoo, not to beat a dead horse, but didn't Jesus teach that life is life, whether it is fetus, infant, or late, late, late term abortion of them fellers on Death Row? Not to knock you outta yer comfort zone but seems to me, consistency should have some role here.



I don't want to speak out of school, but I know havin to hear Trump mistake himself for the Chosen One, kinda left a bad taste in my mouth...Perhaps Biden quietly attending church to worship, without clearing the street and holding up the Holy Writ, upside down, may indeed be a welcome change for America?

Also, as many are aware, "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s by the Knights of Columbus - a Catholic organization interfering in government. So now you know just how far back you gotta go to get back to the roots of the Pledge (I know, I thought the 50s were the dawn of this here Republic too - yer welcome)

Oh! And rest easy! Both Biden and yours truly are both a pair of Bible Believing Catholics and we ain't ashamed to tell ya'll neither.



Yes sir! Lockdown is an admission of a complete failure to anticipate, implement, and manage an effective pandemic course of action, like Asian and European nations pulled off. Shucky Ducky! It was Trump's willful incompetence matched with his incapacity to address COVID 19 that will cost him the election and any shred of a legacy he might have been dreaming about.



Sure is offly kind of you to remember all them good hearted protesters shot down by militias across this great nation!

Now, I am left wondering...why you seem to be forgettin all them sportin events, concerts, and other large events of all ilks that have been also cancelled 'long with church? Ah, it must be that pandemic only conservative Christians and cults catch...that them there Persecution Complex! Ya'll better be careful, I think the Republican Party has got a right bad case of it too. In this case, masks really don't help.

From what that Fauchi feller is sayin, COVID is extremely contagious and deadly for older people and people with pre-existing conditions - I know I have one them bad tickers and some of that high sugar in my blood and I really don't want to die because you value Trumps intuition (read his interview with Bob Woodward in Rage and see what he really knew about COVID and hid from us) over scientists and doctors. This is what they call that "pervasive anti-intellectualism" among Conservatives, which really chafes me.



Yep, we is a sue happy nation! In this way, above all others, Trump connects with the little man...

Twenty million people benefit from the ACA. I know, you guys like gettin to go to the doctor AND still gettin yer vittles on a daily basis. Funny how so many loved them benefits, while, at the same time yodeling to get rid of Obamacare....



Nah. I am fixing to tell you though, we Democrats are tired of you conservatives re-writing history in your own image. Our country was established by rich white men, with themselves in mind. They were Freemasons and Unitarians who all owned land and they designed a Constitution that only allowed white men who were landowners to participate in government. Even Washington DC is layout according to Freemason ideals. Do you really think that there obelisk we call the Washington monument is Christian? Because, them Pagans out there will be happy to remind you of its Ancient Egyptian, occultism origin.

If we are Christian now, what kind did we decide on? Quakers? Puritans? Anglicans? Baptists? Shakers? Unitarians? Deists? Mormons? Adventists? Unity? Swendenborg? Pentecostal? Evangelical? Independent Fundamentalists? Presbyterians? Congregationalists, Jehovahs Witnesses? Church of Science? Church of Christ? Any myriad of mega church movements? Oh and before you say that not all of these doctrines are Christian, the majority of the members of these church would disagree with you and many could give you the same revisionist rational for why they are the real Christians and how the founding fathers actually started our country based on the principles taught at their church.

Not only would most of the Founding Fathers themselves, fail the evangelical litmus test, they were men who watched the fallout of terrible religious wars back in Europe for centuries - they were more afraid that religion would hijack our government and repeat this horror than making America Christian.
Now that is hogwash! Plain and simple!
 

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And when I asked you about it, I got a sarcastic response.

No, Justice Scalia was right. It wouldn't solve anything since there would be states where it was legal, and people could travel to them from states where it wasn't legal.


The Guttmacher Institute is strongly opposed to abortion. I got the following chart from them at Induced Abortion in the United States

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I believe (not sure) that the number continued to decline in the first three years of Trump. I am not sure what the numbers will be for 2020.


I was not saying abortion was the answer. I was saying that under pressure worried women will see it as an answer.

I am saying fewer women choose abortion when they feel better about the future. There are some women who already have kids, but if times are tough, they worry about how they could afford another one.

I am disappointed that Pelosi and the Democrats were like the Republicans on this. No one seemed concerned about pregnant women. For example, I still don't know if coronavirus could cause birth defects or rack up huge medical bills for new born babies if their mother had it. I would have liked to see the stimulus package pay the medical bills for babies born to mother with coronavirus at least for three years so they didn't have to worry about that. I think guaranteeing rent payments and food would also be right if the parents couldn't return to work or if they had to take part time jobs.
A bank robber will give you an excuse for robbing the bank....it will not fly with Christ on judgement day....2017 had 862,320 abortions and we are holding at a little over 600,000, I do not see that as an improvement and I do not see the excuses as justification.
 

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Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?
YES.

Voting Democrat, where Abortion on demand is part of the official Party platform IS a sin - especially where there is a Pro-Life alternative.
Voting for this evil is NOT an option for ANY Christian - period - and there is NOTHING you can say to justify it.

There is NO position in the Republican Party platform that rises to this evil.
 

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But you are willing to support a president who funded such research and who took treatment involving products developed using it? And it's a sin to vote for Democrats?
WRONG.

The Trump administration has been maligned for actually LIMITING the use of fetal tissue for purposes of research. As for the experimental drug used on the President - one of them uses a stem cell that was ORIGINALLY derived from an aborted kidney back in late 1970s. It comes from that LINE - not directly from an aborted fetus.

Unfortunately = MANY drugs that are used on MILLIONS of people each year have used fetal tissue - including vaccinations for Rubella, Hepatitis, Shingles, etc. Adult stem cells have not only been shown to be just as effective - but MORESO in most cases.

As for where the President stands on the Abortion issue - there has never been a more Pro-Life President in American history.
 
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You preachin' to the choir, honey. I said that I objected to the use of dead babies for any vaccine. In fact, I will go on record as saying that I object to this for ANY purpose! There is NO need to kill babies and use their dead bodies for anything remotely resembling medical science or for ANY other reason!

BTW, where do you stand on this issue??
SOUND IT OUT SISTER . SOUND IT OUT .
 
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Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?
Placed in the Christian Debate forum because it is mostly about belief in God and Christian values.

1. They support and fight for the right to murder over 600,000 innocent babies a year. That is 600,000 a year, around 8 million in ten years, that dwarfs the holocaust! Even Hitler did not target babies. This is one of their central core concerns and I truly believe that Satan applauds their efforts.

2. In no way do they include God in their campaign even taking the words “under God” out of the pledge of Allegiance. They even pause to make sure everyone understands they are intentionally omitting the words. This anti-God sentiment is so strong that most Democrats know that if they spoke of believing in God, or Christian morals, they would loose support of their colleagues and voters. This anti-God campaign is central to their beliefs.

3. The right to worship…in the Democrat states the right to assemble and worship has been made illegal, supposedly because of Covid. But they say they believe in the science of it, but the lockdown approach has been used and proven ineffective in this country and around the world. The science of it is that, if it was going to be effective, it would have already been effective.

4. While shutting down the churches the Democrats support the lawless, destructive, violent, and murderous protests by mobs….Which by the way, proves that the assembly of large crowds does not promote the spread of Covid. They know this, so the shutting down of the churches is just because they do not like Christians. Do they hate God or do they just not believe there is a God?

5. The Democrats have taken Christian groups to court to try to force them to comply with the rules of “Obamacare” and abortion. Women’s groups who council women are forbidden by law to speak against abortion.


6. The Democrats have made it clear that they denounce the founding of this country, its history, and those leaders that were part of it. They have admitted this and support the mobs that destroy the monuments to our past, even calling for the removal of more monuments. This is all part of the 1619 project which they intend to teach to our children. “Our country is bad and communism and atheism is good!" Which is why they are against school choice that would give children of all races an opportunity for a better education.

7. Education….it takes little effort to find out that they support teaching our children communism, atheism, homosexuality, support for abortion, and drug use in our schools. Teachers and principals are threatened with dismissal if they tell the parents what they are teaching their children…Every parent needs to look into this. I and others have done the research and I have personally done the interviews. Make it your business to know what they are teaching your children. If your kids are not doing the pledge of allegiance to the flag in school, that is your first clue.

8. Drugs….Democrats support, even believe it is a right to take drugs. Their efforts to legalize drugs is something they do not even try to hide. Marijuana stores! Who would have ever thought that? Had a guy delivering furniture to my house and I was talking to him and noticed the cab of his truck reeked of Marijuana. So I said, Like the weed do ya? He replied that he had a medical prescription. I laughed and replied, And the prescription says that you should specifically smoke while you are driving?

9. Except for the murderous protests the Democrats stand against the 1st amendment to the Constitution. They want and work at silencing those that are of other options or others that stand against their evil acts and intentions, specifically Christians.

10. Legal….Their only interest in laws are the laws that support abortion and homosexual marriages, drug use and the murderous riots. No one accuses the Democrats of being for law and order. If you want a prosecutor that hates law enforcement officers and is out to make a life of crime a safe occupation….vote in a Democrat prosecutor. If you are paying attention, law enforcement supports the Republicans.

11. From the CBS news website…. Democratic 2020 candidates struggle over whether to legalize sex work… “sex work!” lol Why not, they call murder abortion! Prostitution and sex trafficking. You would do well to look this up. All forms of sexual depravity… homosexuals, marriages of homosexuals, prostitution, and sex trafficking. Sex trafficking…not willing to admit that they support it…but if you notice they do not lead a campaign to stop it or prosecute offenders.
Democratic 2020 candidates struggle over whether to legalize sex work

12. Law enforcement…The Democrats support Defunding the police and as you can see not one Democrat has stood up to denounce this ludicrous idea. The Democrats are against law and order, responsibility, and accountability.

13. The Democrats do not believe that the United States is a sovereign nation and so believe that its borders should be open and that illegal aliens should have the same rights and access to public schools, medical care and welfare and unemployment services that the American citizens have. It is basically their motto “their fair share is in your pocket.” Their priorities and allegiance to crime is shown by the fact that they have established 165 sanctuary cities and counties...that is and counties. You might not know that...165 safe havens for illegal aliens that you are paying to support.

14. Sovereign county…The Democrats have never been known to support the military…but the Republicans have always celebrated the heroes of our military. Why don’t they support the military? Well if a communist country attacks and takes over this country, it just makes their job easier. Would they even put up a fight?

15. The Democrats openly acknowledge that they want to convert this country to socialism. But even that is a lie, they want some weird form of green anarchy communism which will stand against Christianity. A communist country that support Christianity?…. there is no such thing.

16. One of the first things a communist regime does is disarm the public…so the Democrats are against the 2nd amendment and want to disarm the public, leaving them defenseless against the criminals and murderous mobs. One of the talking points of Democrats is that if you are a Christian, white, and a working tax payer, you are a White Supremacist.

So is it a sin for Christians to vote for any Democrat? Is it a sin for Christians to support the Democrats in any way? You might think that the Democrats in your area are good, but all that matters is how a politician votes and if you look (and I have) the Democrats stand together in all of their evil intentions. So, where do you stand, with God or Satan?

I don't know! They definitely stand for things god calls abomination, but many on the right support many of the same things!

As Christians most times when we vote for people to hold office, we simply just have to hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils.

Trump appears to be the president who has done more to support moral and godly practices since Reagan so He is definitely the better of the two!

In America Believers have the right to vote so we should to try to put in as Godly leadership as is available. but also we must balance that with the fact that our kingdom is not of this world! This planet is our workplace where we serve as ambassadors to our king!
 
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