1. I gave a passage earlier. But no one has even responded to it
Is 48:
“Listen to Me, O Jacob And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The Lord loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”
As you can see. Jesus is the one who is sent, He is also creator and sustainor. And he was sent by the Lord God (father) and his Spirit. two distinct entities of the godhead. who sent the third one.
2. Jesus himself stated. Before Abraham existed, He always was (the word I Am is ego eimi in the greek, which is exactly the same words used in the greek interpretation of the OT, also known as the Septuagint, Used by the lord when moses asked his name Gods response is "ego eimi" it is the reason that the jews fell back and threatened to stone him for blasphemy, as they understood, He was claiming to be God, and according to the law. Anyone who did this was to be stoned.
Is. 48:16 - Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now
the Lord G
OD [Jehovah], and his spirit, hath sent
me. -
KJV.
Commenting on this scripture some trinitarians will say: "The speaker of Is. 48:16 is Jehovah as identified by context in the first part of the verse and as shown by his identification in verse 17 where he continues to speak. But notice that Jehovah, who is speaking, says: `The Lord G
OD [Jehovah] ... hath sent
me.' Therefore there must be at least two persons who are Jehovah!"
The answer to such "proof" is obvious: "speaker confusion." Isaiah, like most other Bible writers, often interspersed the conversation of one person with statements by others and often doesn't identify the new speakers. Very often they appear to be comments by Isaiah himself.
That this is very likely the case here is shown, not only by context, but by these Bible translations: The
RSV and the
NIV Bibles show by quotation marks and indenting that
Isaiah himself made the final comment in Is. 48:16.
Quotation marks in
NLT, ESV, TEV, Tanakh, Holman Christian Standard Bible, ICB, New Century Version, and
THE MESSAGE also show the last part of Is.48:16 to be a new speaker (not Jehovah).
The
NAB (1970 and 1991 versions) also indicates a new speaker there, and, in the St. Joseph edition of the
NAB, a footnote for Is. 48:16 tells us that the final statement was made by
Cyrus! And the very trinitarian
Holy Bible:
Easy-
to-
Read Version, World Bible Translation Center, 1992, comes right out and says at Is. 48:16,
" 'Come here and listen to me! ... from the beginning, I spoke clearly, so that people could know what I said.' Then
Isaiah said, `Now the Lord [Jehovah] my master sends me and his Spirit to tell you these things.' "
The New English Bible (
NEB),
The Revised English Bible (
REB), and the Bible translation by Dr. James Moffatt (
Mo) consider the last statement of Is. 48:16 to be spurious and leave it out of their translations entirely.
Certainly these mostly trinitarian translations would have rendered this scripture (and punctuated it accordingly) to show a
two-Jehovah meaning (or given such an alternate rendering in the footnotes)
if their trinitarian translators had thought there was even the slightest justification for such an interpretation! (Also analyze Jer. 51:19 -
Jacob is the former of all things - Jehovah of hosts is his name, according to this trinitarian-type "speaker confusion" reasoning!)
"The
prophet himself [Isaiah], as a type of the great prophet, asserts his own commission to deliver this message: Now the Lord God (the same that spoke from the beginning and did not speak in secret) has by his Spirit sent me, v. 16." -
Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, Isaiah Chapter 48 verse 16.
When trinitarian scholars and translators deny a trinity 'proof,' it is highly likely that said 'proof' is not a proof at all.
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As for the statement that the Septuagint at Exodus 3:14 uses
ego eimi ('I am' in English) as God's name, here is what the Brenton Septuagint (Zondervan Publ.):
"And God spoke to Moses saying, I am (
ego eimi) THE BEING (
ho ohn - capitalization by translator Brenton)...."
If I said "I am Tigger2," surely no one would think my name is "I am"!
The Septuagint does
not say that Moses was told God's name is "I Am."