Is the last antichrist beast a dead man made alive again?

[ewq1938]

The problem is the Bible never calls Satan a beast.

Serpent and Dragon are beasts.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

His number is of a man and he is taken and cast alive into the lake of fire with the false prophet. He's a man of sin and son of perdition like Judas on satan filled steroids.

666 like 144,000 is a CODE, the 144,000 are merely all Jews who repent and Flee Judea, as in 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel, as does 7000 whom God as saved unto himself 7 = Divine Completion thus 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 is again God SHOUTING this is All Israel who repents, in Zech. 13:8-9 we are told 1/3 repent, so we now know it has to be 3.5-5 million Jews who repent, not 144,000 males, just like the 10 Virgin Brides represent ALL Christendom, but are nit al female !! GET IT ? Likewise 666 is just God showing us the LAST BEAST is a Man, nit a Kingdom per se, as does Rev. 17 via the 5 kings have fallen, one is and one is yet to come and he will rule a SHORT TIME. This follows the 7 Mountains who arise, thus only ONE MAN both Arises & Falls as the Beast, the Anti-Christ, a man.

That does make sense but the problem is that does not mean he has to be one of the angels chained there. he's not the dragon either because it's the dragon giving him power by entering into his heart as he did Judas.

The 2nd Woe is not Angels chained, they are bound to an APPOINTED TIME. The First Woe is about Demons in the bottomless pit, Apollyon is their king, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast, he is the Demon who resisted Michael in Dan. 10. This is my calling of 37 years, if I tell you something I learned 5 years ago, but didn't know for 30 plus years, that tells you I do not guess.

The problem is the Bible never calls Satan a beast. We're talking about beasts not devils. A beast is a created animal of flesh and blood. The Bible does speak of men as brute beasts and men with a beast's heart. The beast is cast into the lake at least a thousand years before Satan is. And specifically says he is cast where the beast and false prophet already are. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

That makes three verses that prove it to me without doubt. His number is of a man. He is cast into the lake of fire before the armies are killed and he is already in the lake of fire when the devil is cast in.

Well, what does Beast mean? Someone has Dominion, Satan is still the god of this whole world, look around man, perverts, thefts, greed, hate, murder, don't kid yourself, read Rev. 11 it states that God takes back DOMINION from Satan at that time. God gave Adam dominion over this world, Satan tricked him out of his dominion, this we live in a fallen world. Jesus only rules in those of us who ask him into our hearts, 75-85 percent of this worlds is evil incarnate.

That can be. Trying to portray himself as christ come again in the flesh he can be the first and the 8th beast, the first and the last.

He is the Scarlet Beast over Israel, but none of them really try to show themselves as Jesus, the do not need to, the world prefers evil. They only try to trick one small subset of people, the Jews who repented and re in hiding in the Petra/Bozrah area, they want them to come out where they can kill them off. John 5:43 was fulfilled by the Phrisees, it is not an end time prophesy, as many think.

God Bless.

 

[Always Believing]

Well, its a fact, because I have traced him down in the scriptures.

Who kills the Two-witnesses?

Rev. 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

We can see who he is in Rev. chapter 9

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

I would say the angel of the bottomless is the angel fell from heaven with keys to open it and send out others like himself until he himself becomes a beast on earth to kill the witnesses of God physically. A star from heaven as a fallen minister of God with the keys of hell and death from the Lord Jesus Himself. Only those that know the word of truth perfectly can corrupt it perfectly and turn it into a lie. Making war with believers begins first with false ministry to pervert and overthrow the faith.

 

[Always Believing]

No.




I would because it is a place where the dead are, the souls of the dead not bodies of the dead. "grave" is not an insult, heaven is a beautiful grave for the souls of the saved dead

I appreciate your humor. If there is any Bible remotely referring to heaven as a grave, then I'll agree with your point. I don't think being reserved in heaven for us quite does it. There's a grave reservation for all dead bodies though.

 

[ewq1938]

I appreciate your humor. If there is any Bible remotely referring to heaven as a grave, then I'll agree with your point.

The bible speaks of the dead being in heaven such as the 5th seal. A grave is where the dead are. We commonly think of a physical grave but the dead are not only physical since the souls of the dead are also called the dead. Some souls are in a hot, unpleasant place and some are in a nice place of comfort and peace. After a resurrection, those souls will leave those temporary places. The bible doesn't say "God is a Trinity", nor "Heaven is a grave for the souls of the righteous dead" but there is enough evidence to piece it together.

 

[ewq1938]

I would say the angel of the bottomless is the angel fell from heaven with keys to open it and send out others like himself until he himself becomes a beast on earth to kill the witnesses of God physically. A star from heaven as a fallen minister of God with the keys of hell and death from the Lord Jesus Himself.

Like the angel with the keys in Rev 20? No, the keys are never given to an evil angel but to a righteous angel of God.

 

[Always Believing]

666 like 144,000 is a CODE, the 144,000 are merely all Jews who repent and Flee Judea, as in 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel, as does 7000 whom God as saved unto himself 7 = Divine Completion thus 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 is again God SHOUTING this is All Israel who repents, in Zech. 13:8-9 we are told 1/3 repent, so we now know it has to be 3.5-5 million Jews who repent, not 144,000 males, just like the 10 Virgin Brides represent ALL Christendom, but are nit al female !! GET IT ?

Yep. 144,000 is completeness of all inwardly circumcised Christians that are the true inward Jews, not matter what flesh born of. Rev 7 is all such Christians sealed by the Holy Ghost on earth and Rev 14 is all such resurrected saints with the Lord in heaven.

Likewise 666 is just God showing us the LAST BEAST is a Man,

Yep again.

nit a Kingdom per se, as does Rev. 17 via the 5 kings have fallen, one is and one is yet to come and he will rule a SHORT TIME. This follows the 7 Mountains who arise, thus only ONE MAN both Arises & Falls as the Beast, the Anti-Christ, a man.

But the beast of Rev 17 is neither that of Rev 13 nor of Dan 7. Like the red dragon they have heads, one with heads and horns, and another with heads, horns, and crowns. The crowns are on the horns of Rev 13, and the crowns are on heads of the dragon.

The 2nd Woe is not Angels chained, they are bound to an APPOINTED TIME. The First Woe is about Demons in the bottomless pit, Apollyon is their king, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast, he is the Demon who resisted Michael in Dan. 10. This is my calling of 37 years, if I tell you something I learned 5 years ago, but didn't know for 30 plus years, that tells you I do not guess.

By the strength of ascending from the bottomless pit alone you have me currently convinced of being Apollyon. Whether he is a fallen angel or man is still open. I still like the man that is made alive again theory and since the king has both a hebrew and greek Name, one for OT and one for NT false prophet and apostle, I like Korah for the job who fell alive into the pit.

Well, what does Beast mean? Someone has Dominion, Satan is still the god of this whole world, look around man, perverts, thefts, greed, hate, murder, don't kid yourself, read Rev. 11 it states that God takes back DOMINION from Satan at that time. God gave Adam dominion over this world, Satan tricked him out of his dominion, this we live in a fallen world. Jesus only rules in those of us who ask him into our hearts, 75-85 percent of this worlds is evil incarnate.

I don't know about the evil incarnate since there are neighborly unbelievers as neighborly as believers. Not all sinners are men with hearts of beasts seeking to make war with Christians. Many are just live and let live at this time. No doubt many will be compelled to join in the persecution fun of the beast or be cast out themselves.

He is the Scarlet Beast over Israel, but none of them really try to show themselves as Jesus, the do not need to, the world prefers evil. They only try to trick one small subset of people, the Jews who repented and re in hiding in the Petra/Bozrah area, they want them to come out where they can kill them off.

I don't agree here. All antichrists are false apostles according to John and Paul warns of other gospels of other apostles. The goal of the devil is not to harass his own unbelievers but rather to seduce God's people into his darkness. He didn't trick Adam but lured him into trying to be a god like Lucifer doing his own will of good or evil.

John 5:43 was fulfilled by the Phrisees, it is not an end time prophesy, as many think.

There have already been Pharisee deceivers in the church called Judaizers. Antichrists are nothing new but just the last one before the Lord's return will be the greatest of the worst and most convincing to Christians and Jews and Islamists and unbelievers. He will certainly be preaching his own great gospel in the name of Christ and the God of Israel and completely full of heretical blasphemies and stupid lies that any real Bible believing saint can spot. He'll just scarff up all the posers that are impressed by such stuff as well as Jews still looking for their Messiah to come and call down fire from heaven upon their 'enemies'. Afterall it's not hard to spot a false christ pretending to be Jesus Christ come again. He'll be flesh and blood. Jesus Christ will be with clouds shining like lightening.

God Bless.

And God bless you too. I think the only real difference between us is the matter of the Lord returning just to convert Jews. I believe He comes to convert all that are not yet dead throughout all the nations on earth. He will once again begin first with Jews since that is where He touches down on earth first. I do believe He will fulfill the promise to Abraham and his physical children with the land, including the priesthood first offered in Ex 19.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Yep. 144,000 is completeness of all inwardly circumcised Christians that are the true inward Jews, not matter what flesh born of. Rev 7 is all such Christians sealed by the Holy Ghost on earth and Rev 14 is all such resurrected saints with the Lord in heaven.

Well, not quite, I mean I guess we can call the Jews who repent during the Tribulation Christians since it mean Christ Like, but they have the Fathers name in their foreheads. Those Jews born before Jesus came into the world and after the Rapture will be the Bride of God the Father, those Jews who get saved during the Church Age will be a part of the Bride of Christ. No Gentiles can be a part of the Fathers Bride, remember, Jacob had two brides, the preferred Rachel and the Forced Bride in Leah. The Gentiles would have been a part pf God'a Kingdom via the Kingdom Age if Israel had of repented, there would have been no Church Age needed, Jesus would have just shown up and ruled from Jerusalem. And just like the Nations will bring presents to him from all over the world, that would have started in 70 AD, even Israel had of turned to Gd at that time, but God knew they wouldn't, of course.

The whole we are ALL ONE people infer from Gal. 3 is an erroneous understanding, go read it again, why does Paul says there are neither Males nor Females in the same verse as there are neither Jews nor Gentiles? Because there are in deed still MALES & FEMALES right? So, people miss Paul's whole point here. I will tell you in short what it really means in an mini overview and you can go study it.

Who has bewitched (or deceived you) you that starting out in the Spirit (Faith) you are now serving the Flesh (Law)? Then Paul over and over shows how the Law is of the flesh and only came 430 years after THE PROMSE to Abraham. He shows how Jesus was the SEED and after he came how the Laws was done away with, it was used as a Schoolmaster to bring us unto the Promised Seed. Once that Seed (Jesus) had come the Law was no longer needed. So, LETS THINK HERE !!

These Galatians had Jews who had converted unto Christianity coming in and telling them that in order to make it to Heaven they had to keep the Laws of Judaism !! And Paul gets upset with them buying into this false notion. So, he runs it down to them, how Jesus came and thus they are now ruled by the Spirit, not by the Law (Flesh) which can in reality only condemn us. So, at the very end he tries to assure them that ALL MEN (Gentiles and Jews) will make it to heaven in the exact same manner (BY FAITH ALONE) thus he says this:

There are no Jews or Gentiles, nor Male or Female no Slaves or Freemen in God's eyes we are all one. Now the first clue should be that we all know this is Paul simply speaking about FAITH in God, thus Gid does nit see us a Jews, Gentiles, Women or Men, BUT..........Of course there are still MEN & WOMEN, and Jews and Gentiles, Paul is simply referring to how we come unto Christ God doesn't see Male nor Female, Jews nor Gentiles any differently. That in NO WAY states God does not have a different calling for the Gentile Church and the Nation of Israel. Paul is simply saying this, HEY Galatians STOP trying to be Jews in order to make it to heaven, that is NONSENSE, God accepts Jews, Gentiles, Men and Women all in the exact same manner, BY FAITH ALONE, not by serving the Law !! So STOP IT NOW !!

We are not al one in Christ as pe our calling, if you try reading Rom. 11 Paul tells us there God's Callings are without repentance, Israel will be a part of the Kingdom Age, we will not (unless we are Martyrs during the Revelation, and in that case you have to miss te Rapture then get saved, that is not me).

But the beast of Rev 17 is neither that of Rev 13 nor of Dan 7. Like the red dragon they have heads, one with heads and horns, and another with heads, horns, and crowns. The crowns are on the horns of Rev 13, and the crowns are on heads of the dragon.

Yes, but two Beasts are spoken of in Rev. 17, actually 8, the 7 Kingdoms were all Beasts, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece had all FALLEN...........the one who is or was at John's time was Rome, and the ONE TO COME was or will be the Anti-Christ Head with 10 horns. That certain part is speaking about Kingdom Beasts on this earth, then it switches to the Beast that arises from the pit who is placed over these 7 by Satan, but was placed in the Bottomless Pit by God when Rome fell or in 70 AD. Thus he is OF THE SEVEN but is an 8th. (King of the bottomless pit.) Thus the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS on this earth, he has one crown at the bottomless pit. God loves His prose and riddles. Remember when Michael was resisted in Dan. 10 for 21 days? Meet his opponent, Apollyon, he resisted Michael under orders from Satan no doubt.

By the strength of ascending from the bottomless pit alone you have me currently convinced of being Apollyon. Whether he is a fallen angel or man is still open. I still like the man that is made alive again theory and since the king has both a hebrew and greek Name, one for OT and one for NT false prophet and apostle, I like Korah for the job who fell alive into the pit.

He is an Angel, named Abaddon in the Hebrew, he is know to Israel as The Destroyer. Men do not get reborn again. Elijah will be sent back, along with Moses imho, via a Glorious Body. That is why God took them to Heaven. The Anti-Christ will be a man born in Greece(Dan. 8:9), who then comes to power in the European Union (Dan. 7:7-8) but he also has to have Assyrian Blood (Isaiah chapter 10). Thus he will be of Turkish decent, but of course he could have been of Iraq way, way back, but since his family migrates across the border and the Turks and Greeks have done so on that border for eons, he will come from a family living in Turkey within the past couple of hundred of years who migrated. When Tsiparas was the Greek President, and he was and is an Atheist, he was a focal pint for me, but before he is revealed I will be Raptured anyway.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

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I don't know about the evil incarnate since there are neighborly unbelievers as neighborly as believers. Not all sinners are men with hearts of beasts seeking to make war with Christians. Many are just live and let live at this time. No doubt many will be compelled to join in the persecution fun of the beast or be cast out themselves.

Meaning they love evil over God. When we see in Rev. 13 that these people "Worship the Beast" it doesn't rally mean they are worshiping this man and Satan, it simply means they love HIS WAYS.....Over God's Ways, God sees that s them worshiping evil over good. Listen, would God wipeout mankind if our hearts were not evil? We can't see it as we should because we are humans, but one of God's prophets stated out hearts are CONTINULLY EVIL and wicked. Men sit around and imagine immortal things all the time, they love reading porn, watching it on the Computer, partying, they are greedy, its getting worse and worse.

I don't agree here. All antichrists are false apostles according to John and Paul warns of other gospels of other apostles. The goal of the devil is not to harass his own unbelievers but rather to seduce God's people into his darkness. He didn't trick Adam but lured him into trying to be a god like Lucifer doing his own will of good or evil.

Well, a False Prophet is not someone pretending to be christ the Messiah. Matt. 24:4-6 false christs were indeed the Pharisee putting forth "Messianic Types" to save them from the Roman Fourth Beast, but in Matt. 24:9-11 those false prophets who had the Disciples killed were Zeus, Jupiter etc. etc. type of servants who cried to Rome that the Gospel was stealing away their patrons. This is a known fact when we study it, so inverse 13 where it states they must ENDURE unto the end it means of THEIR LIVES, they can not be like Judas. Then in verse 14 were are told when the Church Age ends, when the Gospel is taken unto all the world, thus the Disciples could no be tricked by false christs in verses 4-6, they had a foolproof understanding, HEY, Jesus says, if China, India and the Scythians (Russia now) have not been Evangelized by the Gospel, the it can not be me come again (SMILE) And they also knew they were all going to die, save John, so they foreknew this and that HELPS A LOT. If I know I will die the Martyrs death at 65, as told by the Holy Spirit (Jesus in their cases) and I am only 35, I will be ready, but if it just happens, would I then be as ready, or would I take it easy on the Jupiter and Zeus gods? Jesus felt them knowing was the better option, SMILE. Just think, by that time they had deemed it a great thing to be martyred for their Lord who they loved, Amen. ( I just got real emotionally thinking about that)

There have already been Pharisee deceivers in the church called Judaizers. Antichrists are nothing new but just the last one before the Lord's return will be the greatest of the worst and most convincing to Christians and Jews and Islamists and unbelievers. He will certainly be preaching his own great gospel in the name of Christ and the God of Israel and completely full of heretical blasphemies and stupid lies that any real Bible believing saint can spot. He'll just scarff up all the posers that are impressed by such stuff as well as Jews still looking for their Messiah to come and call down fire from heaven upon their 'enemies'. Afterall it's not hard to spot a false christ pretending to be Jesus Christ come again. He'll be flesh and blood. Jesus Christ will be with clouds shining like lightening.

I am telling you, no Jews ever accept a Gentile as their Savior, they simply join the E.U. The 2/3 who do not repent will be easy to get at and kill, he will not have to trick them but they are oblivious to reality, most are secular humanist, they do not believe in God anyway. This man (A.C.) can get at every body in his region anyway, North & South America will be burn ed to a crisp, there will be no Anti-Christ over here. He will not rule China etc. etc. only the E.U. and Mediterranean Sea Region, just like old Rome on a map.

He will simply try to preform miracles as Matt. 24:24 says in order to trick the 3.5-5 million Jews who repented (1/3) to come out of their SAFE ZONE in the Petra/Bozrah area, but we know Jesus has FORWARNED THEM, thus they can not be deceived, read Matt. 24:25-27, Jesus says do not go to the Desert when they say it is me, do nit go to the secret store room when the say Christ has returned, but LOOK FIOR ME...........In the Eastern Skies !! Amen, the Jews who repented can nit be tricked because Jesus has already told them he's coming from the Eastern Skies for all men to see, so they can't be tricked. But of course Satan will try via Miracles, but to no avail. He doesn't need to truck anyone else, they are nit protected by god anyway. So, al of this "He acts like Jesus is a misnomer, Matt. 24:4-6 happened in 70 AD, and in Matt. 24:24 he is simply trying to get those PROTECTED Jews who know better to come out. He never says I am Jesus the Messiah. He is too vain, he wants to be worshiped as god himself !!

So, he never says I an the christ, that's just a misnomer. He is going to be exactly what this evil world loves, see how its trending? He will stifle all speech except woke speech, he will demand to be worshiped as god or you will not be able to buy or sell etc. etc. but he never says I am the Jewish Messiah. I promise you, this is a false notion.

And God bless you too. I think the only real difference between us is the matter of the Lord returning just to convert Jews. I believe He comes to convert all that are not yet dead throughout all the nations on earth. He will once again begin first with Jews since that is where He touches down on earth first. I do believe He will fulfill the promise to Abraham and his physical children with the land, including the priesthood first offered in Ex 19.

The Jews convert BEFORE Jesus returns. Read Malachi 4:5-6 and Zechariah 13:8-9, we see 1/3 of the Jews repent, THEN in the very next verse we see the DOTL arrives (Zech. 14:1-2) and Israel is conquered.

 

[David in NJ]

Someone, called The Light, has suggested evidence from Scripture and recent past discoveries, that the antichrist beast of Rev 13, is Nimrod-Gilgamesh, made alive again by the Lord, like the dead body that touched the bones of the prophet, and Lazarus coming out of the grave.

At first, I thought it was at least a fun suggestion, while going about thinking to show it not possible. While I'm not convinced by archeological claims, I am seeing the sense of it in prophecy of Scripture.

The main thing is, I see no Scriptural proof of why not. Nothing in Scripture says that the Lord cannot bring any dead man back to life, based upon how long the body has been in the grave.

And though it is not the resurrection of the dead, which begins with the body of Abel, it still shows no time limit of bodily decay. In fact, Jesus waited four days purposely to show the body of Lazarus was indeed dead, and not just in some sort of Jewish soul-hoovering funk.

Does anyone have any Scripture plainly showing that 1st beast cannot be a long-dead man? That the Lord would never bring back to life? To have a wicked corrupter of souls live again in the flesh?

The answer to your question is not complicated.

There would have to be, according to God's Faithfulness, a (OT and/or NT) Prophecy that would grant a platform of discovery for such to take place.

Unless, someone knows of one in the OT, there are no Prophecies or Parables given by the Lord in His Gospel of such nature.

Neither are there any Holy Spirit words/impressions/inspiration(s) given to the Apostles of such.

That would leave us Revelation - and yet there is not a single reference of 'flesh' rising from the dead to be the Last Antichrist.

Finally, why does a person assume that the Anti-Christ is a past life???

We all must listen and understand = 1 John 2:18

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.

 

[Always Believing]

The bible speaks of the dead being in heaven such as the 5th seal. A grave is where the dead are. We commonly think of a physical grave but the dead are not only physical since the souls of the dead are also called the dead. Some souls are in a hot, unpleasant place and some are in a nice place of comfort and peace. After a resurrection, those souls will leave those temporary places. The bible doesn't say "God is a Trinity", nor "Heaven is a grave for the souls of the righteous dead" but there is enough evidence to piece it together.

The Bible does say the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost are one. The Bible does not say the souls in the presence of the Lord at His altar are dead. They were killed bodily, not dead spiritually. The whole point of the Bible is to show the souls of men are dead spiritually by sinning against God and made alive spiritually by repenting receiving Jesus and living in His righteousness.

The only dead souls are those rebelling against God in their lives, and the only graves are those dead bodies in the earth and the sea.

 

[Always Believing]

Well, a False Prophet is not someone pretending to be christ the Messiah.

Read 1 John 4:1-3 and then tell me what an antichrist is. Read 2 Cor 11:13 and then tell me who they are false of apostles of.

 

[Always Believing]

Matt. 24:4-6 false christs were indeed the Pharisee putting forth "Messianic Types"

They were doing it before Jesus and still today afterward. They are just Jewish messianic cults, not false prophets and apostles of Jesus Christ.

I am telling you, no Jews ever accept a Gentile as their Savior, they simply join the E.U.

But some Jews do accept other Jews as their messiahs, and some Christians do accept other Christians as their pastor-christs. It's the nature of cultism. There are Jewish cults around before Jesus came and now Christian cults after His coming.

He never says I am Jesus the Messiah. He is too vain, he wants to be worshiped as god himself !!

And Christ is both Lord and God. Jesus warns us of false christs appearing as Himself, not of false leaders of men's religions like Allah and Buddha.

So, he never says I an the christ, that's just a misnomer

He doesn't have to and the Bible never says he does. That is a misnomer.

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not.

He's not stupid enough to say I am God and Christ and so come unto me. He allows his proselyte followers do it for him. He does not properly dissuade them from it. He shows himself to be God by his manner of ministry and behavior.The Bible does not say he ever calls himself God and Christ.

Like the many false messiahs of Jews since they had Jesus crucified, they were declared Messiahs by certain rabbis, etc... Many Christian cult leaders have sat on their pulpits as God and Christ Himself, while others go out and recruit for him, and they say he is christ.

he will demand to be worshiped as god or you will not be able to buy or sell etc. etc.

No, he won't. The Bible never says that either. He will remove all obstacles to being worshipped as God and Christ. He will completely undermine the true gospel of Jesus Christ,sothat whose who believe his gospel word more than that of the Bible will begin to worship him as the head of the church, not Jesus Christ. Satan is subtle. He's not a clown getting in peoples' faces demanding he be recieved and worshipped as God and Christ.

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Wow, now this is a new one. I suppose anything is possible. It certainly could make a great Marvel movie. But if there's no Bible against it, then why not.

True. It's new to me also, and I'm liking Korah for the role. Afterall, he already proved himself worthy of the devil's service by being the first false 'apostle' to try and usurp the rule of God over His people, by trying to replace Moses as the Lord's lawgiver. The last great antichrist on earth will be the greatest of the worst false apostles ever, so much so that he will deceive many into believing he is indeed Christ come to earth in the flesh again.

I mean, if you've actually been raised from the dead out of hell and are living again in the flesh, then I fully imagine such a person would be the most convincing false christ ever. With plenty of fiery zeal, but just the wrong kind of strange fire.

 

[robert derrick]

The ten horned beast is not a man at all. It isn't a man in Daniel 7 either. The only singular man in Dan 7 and Rev 13 is the little horn, and the beast with two little horns (an obvious nod to Daniel's singular man), both being the man who rules over the ten horned beast kingdom and is introduced second in both passages.

True. The ten horned beast in Dan 11 may not be a man. But I'm speaking of the 7 headed, 10 horned with 10 crown beast of Rev 13, that is cast into the LOF with his false prophet.

 

[robert derrick]

No, he's a MAN.......The Rev. 17 Scarlet Colored Beast is Apollyon, he rises from the Bottomless Pit.

I agree with that. But is he a man raised from the dead to become Satan's last great impersonator of Christ coming again? I like the idea more and more. There's Scripture record of at least two dead men living again in the mortal bodies, and no Scripture says it is impossible for the Lord to do so with another.

I am agreeing that Apollyon is the Scarlet beast, unless something in Scripture proves otherwise. I now know that the beasts of Dan 7, Rev 13 & 17 are three separate beasts. Neither of them are the same as the other, but only similar in having 10 horns.

 

[robert derrick]

Seeing as the Antichrist is called "the beast" it may be that Satan, himself, enters him and animates his dead body as a mocking to the three days and three nights of Christ.

I completely agree. And so maybe this is what Paul means by saying he comes and appears after the working of Satan.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

After Satan works his way into his heart like that of Judas. Then he will have all the power of Satan for signs and lying wonders, counterfeiting Christ and His apostles.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

It's a perfectly deceitful match up. And if the Lord actually does raise up some old false prophet from the dead, then that would make even the beast really believe himself to be christ come again on earth. I think Korah is the best candidate.

 

[robert derrick]

The answer to your question is not complicated.

There would have to be, according to God's Faithfulness, a (OT and/or NT) Prophecy that would grant a platform of discovery for such to take place.

Very true. I am not one that believes something just because it sounds good. But what about the fact that Scripture testifies that it has happened twice, once in the OT and once in the NT? And so, it certainly is possible and nothing in prophecy says it can't be possible.

The prophecy in Rev 13 speaking of the head having a deadly wound as unto death, was healed and did live, is not saying the head was dead and did live again.

I like how you speak of God's Faithfulness to His own written word. Not every Christian is as faithful to His word.

That would leave us Revelation - and yet there is not a single reference of 'flesh' rising from the dead to be the Last Antichrist.

The prophecy in Rev 13 speaking of the head having a deadly wound as unto death, was healed and did live, is not saying the head was dead and did live again.

Close, but so far no cigar.

Finally, why does a person assume that the Anti-Christ is a past life???

It is theorized by someone else, and after initially laughing at the idea, I could not think of any Scriptural reason why not. So long as no scripture contradicts it, then all such interpretations still have life, so to speak.

We all must listen and understand = 1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.

And especially 2:19

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

All false apostle antichrists are those that know the doctrine of the apostles, but have gone out from the gospel they preach to make a new gospel of Christ of their own making. That's what makes the false christs, because they usurp the headship of Jesus over those believing in His name.

In this manner we see Korah as the first pre-antichrist and false apostle. He was the first one recorded to come out from among the congregation of the Lord in the wilderness. He tried usurping the authority of the God of Israel given to Moses, to write His covenant and law with all the children of Israel. He foreshadowed preaching another 'gospel'.

He also went into the pit alive, which to me, makes him a perfect candidate to be made alive and try it all over again with Satan himself entered into his beastly heart.

At this time the only thought I have to show that first beast living again from the dead, is that Korah went alive into the pit, but was not killed as the others that went with him. He could be kept alive until being returned to earth to live again in the flesh. That is what some believe happens with Enoch or Moses and Elijah living again on earth as the two witnesses, until they are killed.

 

[Always Believing]

True. It's new to me also, and I'm liking Korah for the role. Afterall, he already proved himself worthy of the devil's service by being the first false 'apostle' to try and usurp the rule of God over His people, by trying to replace Moses as the Lord's lawgiver. The last great antichrist on earth will be the greatest of the worst false apostles ever, so much so that he will deceive many into believing he is indeed Christ come to earth in the flesh again.

I mean, if you've actually been raised from the dead out of hell and are living again in the flesh, then I fully imagine such a person would be the most convincing false christ ever. With plenty of fiery zeal, but just the wrong kind of strange fire.

Sounds like you're really running with this thing. All I can say is it's interesting and can't just set it aside as obviously false. If you come up with any proof I'd like to see it. Right now it's sort of like lots of circumstantial evidence without any Bible shooting it down.

 

[ewq1938]

True. The ten horned beast in Dan 11 may not be a man. But I'm speaking of the 7 headed, 10 horned with 10 crown beast of Rev 13, that is cast into the LOF with his false prophet.

That isn't a man either. It's a global kingdom that a man will rise and control completely. This is true in Daniel 7 and Rev 13, where a man associated with a little horn (or two) is that global leader.