Is the Second Death the End? - (nope)

[St. SteVen]

Thanks for this brilliant post from @ProDeo

"Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought."

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[Jack]

Thanks for this brilliant post from @ProDeo

"Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought."

Glad you love the Bible stevie.

 

[St. SteVen]

Is the Second Death the End? - (nope)​

Thanks for this brilliant post from @ProDeo

"Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought."

 

[Beebster]

Is the Second Death the End? - (nope)​

Thanks for this brilliant post from @ProDeo

"Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought."

No, the second death is not the end. It is the means by which humanity will be saved. It is the Lake of fire it is gehenna fire.

 

[Jack]

No, the second death is not the end. It is the means by which humanity will be saved. It is the Lake of fire it is gehenna fire.

Hell is gonna save humans? lol

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ....

 

[Beebster]

Hell is gonna save humans? lol

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ....

Which version of the Bible are you taking your quote from Jack?

 

[Jack]

Which version of the Bible are you taking your quote from Jack?

I have many English Bibles. I can quote many. You should read the Bible some time.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Bible uses exaggerated language to make a point.

Edom

Edom was an ancient kingdom in Transjordan located between Moab to the northeast, the Arabah to the west and the Arabian Desert to the south and east. Most of its former territory is now divided between Israel and Jordan.

The destruction of Edom uses the same exaggerated language descriptions as hell in the Bible. Yet none of it lasted forever as it clearly says. And you can certainly pass through it today. For this prophecy to be taken literally it would need to be a smoking tar pit today with a bypass to get around it. Compare verse ten below. (Revelation 14:11)

Isaiah 34:8-11
For the Lord has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion’s cause.
9 Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into burning sulfur; her land will become blazing pitch!
10 It will not be quenched night or day; its smoke will rise forever.
From generation to generation it will lie desolate; no one will ever pass through it again.
11 The desert owl and screech owl will possess it; the great owl and the raven will nest there.
God will stretch out over Edom the measuring line of chaos and the plumb line of desolation.

--- COMPARE ---

Revelation 14:11 NIV
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever.
There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image,
or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

 

[Jack]

I see. No real discussion. You're just trolling for team Satan again. Got it.

Quoting Jesus is "team Satan"? You changed the subject REAL quick!

How many English Bibles would you like me to quote about EVERLASTING Hell?

 

[Jack]

The Bible uses exaggerated language to make a point.

The Bible is quite clear. Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING, whether you like it or not.

 

[St. SteVen]

No, the second death is not the end. It is the means by which humanity will be saved. It is the Lake of fire it is gehenna fire.

Agree.

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

 

[Jack]

Agree.

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ....

 

[Beebster]

Quoting Jesus is "team Satan"? You changed the subject REAL quick!

No Jack, I asked you a question about your quote (not quotes) which you still have not answered, but you accuse me of changing the subject. That is deceitful.

 

[Jack]

No Jack, I asked you a question about your quote (not quotes) which you still have not answered, but you accuse me of changing the subject. That is deceitful.

How many English Bibles do you want me to quote? I have plenty. Do you have one?

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I have many more.

 

[Beebster]

How many English Bibles do you want me to quote? I have plenty. Do you have one?

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

See that wasn't that hard.

I have many more.

We all do Jack, it's called Biblegateway.com

So who is the beast and the false prophet?

 

[St. SteVen]

No Jack, I asked you a question about your quote (not quotes) which you still have not answered, but you accuse me of changing the subject. That is deceitful.

Deceitful? My, my.

Revelation 21:27 NIV
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful,
but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

[Behold]

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

"Death and Life"........regarding How the Bible expresses this spiritually, is not the same as how a person thinks about life and death.

For example......to be spiritually seperated from God, is "death"...... And this happened to Adam the moment he disobeyed, yet, he lived hundreds of years more... before his BODY died..........and His spirit never did.
So, this "death" that came to Adam, was to his body, eventually , and the death of His spirit, is to become spiritually seperated from God's spirit.

Being BORN AGAIN.......which has to happen before you die, as you can't be born again in Hell.......is simply to regain spiritual union with God, exactly as Adam had it before he sinned.

When Jesus says....>"you must be born again"....>>He means........if you want to go to Heaven, you have to become spiritually birthed into God, as Spiritual Union with Him.......before you die, or you go into eternity spiritually seperated from God and so you will remain.

This is the "2nd death" that is found in the "lake of fire".

 

[Jack]

See that wasn't that hard.

We all do Jack, it's called Biblegateway.com

So why were you evading them? They all agree, Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!

So who is the beast and the false prophet?

Don't you know?

 

[Beebster]

So why were you evading them? They all agree, Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!

No they don't Jack. Try this one:

Revelation 20:10

Young's Literal Translation

and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.​

 

[Jack]

No they don't Jack. Try this one:

Revelation 20:10​

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Young's Literal Translation​

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and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.​

It's vague indeed but it doesn't deny it's FOREVER! No matter how many JW's TWIST the Hell out of the Bible! Even the JW bible says you're WRONG!

NWT JW bible says: And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.