Is the story of Noah literal?

[TinMan]

yes it is! hundreds laid down in days,

evidence?

wrong again. Basic hydroxyls are very safe! Matter of fact they make odor removal generators using hydroxyls.

When you take water H2O and apply a large amount of energy you can break apart the covalent resulting a hydroxyl -OH AND a free hydrogen +H.
do you know what one of the main properties of free hydrogen?


Here is a hint:

Well the super continent broke up after the flood so that part is moot. And how fast they moved is anybody's hypothesis. and 1/8th inch /day is about right for how inertia works.

But you are saying that the earth reshaped itself into its currant form post flood.

and if you want to pretend the continents moved an 1/8 of an inch a day instead of that space in a year it would take 5,783,725 days i 158,450 years for the North American and European plates to get to their current locations.

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Well then we all shall await you rpoviding the evidence to support this claim.

It's called the ring of fire. look it up sometime

wrong again. the carving out of the landscape by the eruption and subsequent flows left hundreds of sedimentary strata. all recorded for all to see!

Show us.

#2 shoes on a wood floor do not create loads of friction! Relatively speaking. I do not think one could start a fire by rubbing a shoe real hard and fast against a floor.

if you weighed enough and did it fast enough

Have these equations been verified by actual real world data?

It's standard high school physics

Well then, tell me who was observing the salinity for teh first 499,000,000 years?????

The record is preserved in the stones themselves

 

[Ronald Nolette]

evidence?

Mt. St. Helens and Catastrophism

The eruption of Mount St. Helens in Washington State on May 18, 1980, is certain to be remembered as one of the most significant geologic events in the United States of the 20th century. The explosion, on May 18, was initiated by an earthquake and rockslide involving one-half cubic mile of rock...

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When you take water H2O and apply a large amount of energy you can break apart the covalent resulting a hydroxyl -OH AND a free hydrogen +H.
do you know what one of the main properties of free hydrogen

Well as the Hindenburg was filled with pure hydrogen- yes. But when hydrogen and oxygen break apart in nature (and yes even in continental crusts) the free hydrogen atom when a hydroxyl is made floats away or is absorbed , thus making it much safer than the Hindenburg with its massive canisters of pure hydrogen! Nice try though

But you are saying that the earth reshaped itself into its currant form post flood.

and if you want to pretend the continents moved an 1/8 of an inch a day instead of that space in a year it would take 5,783,725 days i 158,450 years for the North American and European plates to get to their current locations.

I am not pretending anything. I am simply telling you that we have an eyewitness report of the breakup of the super continent. But you would prefer the testimony of men who were no there and did not see it over those who were! Given the extreme violence of the initial geologic activity of the flood,I could give you valid theories based on modern observation as to how a conitnent would break up and that teh drift would be faster initiallyu and then as inertia waned, would slow down.

It's called the ring of fire. look it up sometime

Now I know you have no knowledge of basic science. the ring of fire has nothing to do with rising temperatures due to friction! It is volcanic actrivity that releases magma from deep within the earths surface.

Show us.

See the 2 videos I linked to above!

The record is preserved in the stones themselves

Not 500,000,000 years. All that is recorded is that something happened to lay down myriad sedimentary layers. NOthing about when is recorded in the rocks.

It's standard high school physics

So you admit they these formulae have not been verified with actual scientific methods. Dating methods fail the scientific method of theory validation. It may be high school physics (in secular schools) but it is the consensus of most scientists, not verified fact.

 

[TinMan]

Mt. St. Helens and Catastrophism

The eruption of Mount St. Helens in Washington State on May 18, 1980, is certain to be remembered as one of the most significant geologic events in the United States of the 20th century. The explosion, on May 18, was initiated by an earthquake and rockslide involving one-half cubic mile of rock...

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Dr. Steve austin and Mt. St. Helens - Búsqueda Vídeos

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Here is a point by point refutation of the claims made by a geologist and a Christian.

What does Mt St Helens teach us about Noah’s flood? Almost nothing.

Well as the Hindenburg was filled with pure hydrogen- yes. But when hydrogen and oxygen break apart in nature (and yes even in continental crusts) the free hydrogen atom when a hydroxyl is made floats away or is absorbed , thus making it much safer than the Hindenburg with its massive canisters of pure hydrogen! Nice try though

A Field Guide to Chemical Reactions
Since you don't seem to have a grasp on the topic this is a very basic overview of Chemistry

I am not pretending anything. I am simply telling you that we have an eyewitness report of the breakup of the super continent.

Noah didn't write Genisis.

But you would prefer the testimony of men who were no there and did not see it over those who were! Given the extreme violence of the initial geologic activity of the flood,I could give you valid theories based on modern observation as to how a conitnent would break up and that teh drift would be faster initiallyu and then as inertia waned, would slow down.

they wouldn't be valid in any sense of the word and probably not even theories.

Scientific theories

Now I know you have no knowledge of basic science. the ring of fire has nothing to do with rising temperatures due to friction! It is volcanic actrivity that releases magma from deep within the earths surface.

volcanic activity due to the tectonic plates

See the 2 videos I linked to above!

Not 500,000,000 years. All that is recorded is that something happened to lay down myriad sedimentary layers. NOthing about when is recorded in the rocks.

and all these layers have different methods of formation and each contain a unique record of its formation including the time it did.

So you admit they these formulae have not been verified with actual scientific methods.

That is grossly dishonest on your part.

Dating methods fail the scientific method of theory validation.

False

It may be high school physics (in secular schools) but it is the consensus of most scientists, not verified fact.

and that is just a lie.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here is a point by point refutation of the claims made by a geologist and a Christian.

What does Mt St Helens teach us about Noah’s flood? Almost nothing.

YOu should check your bios more carefully8. He has a degree in geology, but never taught geology or did any field reseaearch in geology! He was a high school teacher in chemistry and physical sciences.

A Field Guide to Chemical Reactions
Since you don't seem to have a grasp on the topic this is a very basic overview of Chemistry

So much for your need for high temps to create OH!

Noah didn't write Genisis.

Noah wrote his account. MOses was the editor.

they wouldn't be valid in any sense of the word and probably not even theories.

not in the modern sense, but as eyewitnesses they present teh testimony for a scientific theory to be adopted.

volcanic activity due to the tectonic plates

sometimes. sometimes it is just a fissure that weakens and lets go allowing magma to escape. But magma is not eh product of volcanic activity as you intimated.

and all these layers have different methods of formation and each contain a unique record of its formation including the time it did.

And who placed the date stamp on these layers? And that is just like Mt. St. Helens which did it in days! Once again this is not teh smoking gun of Noah. Teh bible is the smoking gun. But what Mt . St. Helens showed is that sedimentary layering, canyon formation, and layered petrified forests and pewat formation do not need the eons of time secular science says it takes.

That is grossly dishonest on your part.

No it is simple fact. Radiometric dating has not been validated by anything other than calculations and comples formulae which assumes it takes X time for one material to deteriorate to another. No one has been testing a radioactive rock for eons to see if the calculations are correct.

Every formula will prduce a correct answer based on teh information put in to the equation. But if the values are wrong, then though it may produce a correct answer based on teh values given, the answer is incorrect as to reality.

False

Okay > I will let you pick one radiometric form of dating used (for millions and billions of years) and you point out how they validated their conclusions by the scientific method of validating theories.
1. Advance a hypothesis
2. Test the hypothesis.
3.Observe the results.
4. Verify or invalidate teh hypothesis.

Go ahead.

and that is just a lie.

Then it should be easy for you to prove that any of the radiometric dating methods have been empirically validated and the equations proven correct by observation .

 

[TinMan]

YOu should check your bios more carefully8. He has a degree in geology, but never taught geology or did any field reseaearch in geology! He was a high school teacher in chemistry and physical sciences.

Does any of that make his points wrong? (no it doesn't)

So much for your need for high temps to create OH!

SInce you didn't read it let me highlight what you don['t want to hear: "

First, as seems obvious, chemical reactions are linked to change but not all change involves a chemical reaction. When liquid water boils or freezes it undergoes a change of state (a phase change), but the water molecules remain intact - they are still discrete water molecules, H2O. In ice, they remain more or less anchored to one another through H-bonds while in liquid and water vapor they they are constantly moving with respect to one another, and the interactions that occur between the molecules are transient. We can write out this transition in symbolic form as : H2O (solid) ↔ H2O (liquid) ↔ H2O (vapor). The double arrows mean that the changes are reversible (in this case, reversibility is a function of temperature, which controls whether the interactions between molecules are stable (as in ice) or transient, as in liquid water or basically non-existent as in water vapor. What you notice immediately is that the H2O remains represent and unchanged in each - that is there are water molecules present in each phase.

Noah wrote his account. MOses was the editor.

Any biblical scholars what to take this?

not in the modern sense, but as eyewitnesses they present teh testimony for a scientific theory to be adopted.

again here is a very basic explanation of what a scientific theory is and is not.

sometimes. sometimes it is just a fissure that weakens and lets go allowing magma to escape. But magma is not eh product of volcanic activity as you intimated.

And who placed the date stamp on these layers? And that is just like Mt. St. Helens which did it in days! Once again this is not teh smoking gun of Noah. Teh bible is the smoking gun. But what Mt . St. Helens showed is that sedimentary layering, canyon formation, and layered petrified forests and pewat formation do not need the eons of time secular science says it takes.

dating is easy enough by say examining the fossils that make up limestone
the radiometric dating of shale
the different formations of sandstone. most of which don't form in water.

So just how much limestone did Mt St Helens form?
or chalk?
or slate?
or shale?
or sandstone?

No it is simple fact. Radiometric dating has not been validated by anything other than calculations and comples formulae which assumes it takes X time for one material to deteriorate to another. No one has been testing a radioactive rock for eons to see if the calculations are correct.

here is a basic primer on dating methods, no assumptions involved

Every formula will prduce a correct answer based on teh information put in to the equation. But if the values are wrong, then though it may produce a correct answer based on teh values given, the answer is incorrect as to reality.

see above

Okay > I will let you pick one radiometric form of dating used (for millions and billions of years) and you point out how they validated their conclusions by the scientific method of validating theories.
1. Advance a hypothesis
2. Test the hypothesis.
3.Observe the results.
4. Verify or invalidate teh hypothesis.

Go ahead.

Then it should be easy for you to prove that any of the radiometric dating methods have been empirically validated and the equations proven correct by observation .

See above

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Does any of that make his points wrong? (no it doesn't)

Doesn't make them right either. It just means he is offering opinion without verification.

First, as seems obvious, chemical reactions are linked to change but not all change involves a chemical reaction. When liquid water boils or freezes it undergoes a change of state (a phase change), but the water molecules remain intact - they are still discrete water molecules, H2O. In ice, they remain more or less anchored to one another through H-bonds while in liquid and water vapor they they are constantly moving with respect to one another, and the interactions that occur between the molecules are transient. We can write out this transition in symbolic form as : H2O (solid) ↔ H2O (liquid) ↔ H2O (vapor). The double arrows mean that the changes are reversible (in this case, reversibility is a function of temperature, which controls whether the interactions between molecules are stable (as in ice) or transient, as in liquid water or basically non-existent as in water vapor. What you notice immediately is that the H2O remains represent and unchanged in each - that is there are water molecules present in each phase.

Well it seems you didn't read well. for your own article showed that hydrogen atoms will break apart and form H3O and OH (hydroxyl) compounds freely in water and back again as Hydrogen is a loose bond. But once again this shatters your need for temperatures as hot as teh sun for hydroxyls to form.

Are hydroxyl radicals harmful?​

Hydroxyl radicals are particularly dangerous because of their ability to reduce disulfide bonds in proteins, above all fibrinogen, resulting in their unfolding and scrambled refolding into abnormal spatial configurations.

Where are hydroxyl radicals found?​

The hydroxyl radical (OH) is an important chemical species throughout the atmosphere. In the troposphere it is the primary oxidant of both natural and anthropogenic hydrocarbons, leading to the production of pollutant ozone. In the stratosphere and mesosphere, OH is key catalyst of ozone destruction.

But we have seen enough articles to show that you rinitial theory of it taking extreme temps is wrong.

again here is a very basic explanation of what a scientific theory is and is not.

in the modern definition. but a theory was defined very differently before modern days, and observing something was scientific proof!

dating is easy enough by say examining the fossils that make up limestone
the radiometric dating of shale
the different formations of sandstone. most of which don't form in water.

So just how much limestone did Mt St Helens form?
or chalk?
or slate?
or shale?
or sandstone?

Doesn't matter how much was formed. teh very fact they have recorded images showing that hundreds of sedimentary layers were laid down in days where modern geological theory would say took millenia is proof enough.

Radiometric dating of shale is wildly inaccurate as with all other attempts at radiometirc dating.

here is a basic primer on dating methods, no assumptions involved

So where is your primer?

 

[TinMan]

Doesn't make them right either.

then address the points he made and show he is wrong.

It just means he is offering opinion without verification.

Except he does and claiming otherwise id just dshonesty on your part.

Well it seems you didn't read well. for your own article showed that hydrogen atoms will break apart and form H3O and OH (hydroxyl) compounds freely in water and back again as Hydrogen is a loose bond. But once again this shatters your need for temperatures as hot as teh sun for hydroxyls to form.

I didn't say this

in the modern definition. but a theory was defined very differently before modern days, and observing something was scientific proof!

Do you just make this stuff up?

Doesn't matter how much was formed. teh very fact they have recorded images showing that hundreds of sedimentary layers were laid down in days where modern geological theory would say took millenia is proof enough.

that was addressed in the article linked above. Try reading it instead of throwing much at it.

Radiometric dating of shale is wildly inaccurate as with all other attempts at radiometirc dating.

an interesting feature of shale is that it only form in still waters. Will we now pretend that this fluid and the cataclysmic moving of continents produced episodes of still water so shale could magically form overnight?

And the dating of shale

Let the denials begin.

 

[Deborah_]

Noah wrote his account. MOses was the editor.

Any biblical scholars what to take this?

We know that alphabetic writing was invented around about the time of Moses. So Noah couldn't have written anything. The story of the Flood (and all the other stories in Genesis) had been handed down orally until Moses wrote them down. Many of them bear the marks of orally recited stories (e.g. lots of repetition, hyperbolic statements) - when a group of people first write their language down, they write as they speak; only after a few generations do they develop a written 'style'.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

then address the points he made and show he is wrong.

The videos showed he was wrong. the eruption left sedimentary strates through rock, limestone and sandstone and created sandstone sediments. It also carved a canyon where there was none in days. what more do you need. It is not absolute proof of the flood, but it shows the scientific validity of the flood.

Except he does and claiming otherwise id just dshonesty on your part.

No he did not offer verification on his post, just opinion and accepted consensus.

I didn't say this

No but the article you cited did.

Do you just make this stuff up?

No its called history.

that was addressed in the article linked above. Try reading it instead of throwing much at it.

yes his undocumented opinion. He did not go to Mt. St. Helens to rebut the claims of the PHD geologists from ICR who spent months and years in research there. He just sat back and offered opinion.

an interesting feature of shale is that it only form in still waters. Will we now pretend that this fluid and the cataclysmic moving of continents produced episodes of still water so shale could magically form overnight?

And the dating of shale

Let the denials begin.

Well let us destroy lie one:

shale, any of a group of fine-grained, laminated sedimentary rocks consisting of silt- and clay-sized particles. Shale is the most abundant of the sedimentary rocks, accounting for roughly 70 percent of this rock type in the crust of the Earth.


Shales are often found with layers of sandstone or limestone. They typically form in environments where muds, silts, and other sediments were deposited by gentle transporting currents and became compacted, as, for example, the deep-ocean floor, basins of shallow seas, river floodplains, and playas. Most shales occur in extensive sheets several metres thick, though some develop in lenticular formations.

Do we really need to go into the minutae of flood waters at every single moment or you?

Dating of shale:

Rhenium-Osmium method another failed and wildly flawed and unvalidated radiometric form of dating! but nice try.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We know that alphabetic writing was invented around about the time of Moses. So Noah couldn't have written anything. The story of the Flood (and all the other stories in Genesis) had been handed down orally until Moses wrote them down. Many of them bear the marks of orally recited stories (e.g. lots of repetition, hyperbolic statements) - when a group of people first write their language down, they write as they speak; only after a few generations do they develop a written 'style'.

You need to learn history better.
they found cuneiform tablets in ancient Ur that date at the time of Abraham over 400 years before Moses. Whether it was in alphabet or pictoral writing matters not. Moses had the records which were passed down.

 

[VCO]

The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark | National Center for Science Education

Building the Ark Accommodating All Those Animals Leaving Some Things Behind Sizing Up the Load

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NO it is LITERAL TRUTH.

I was stationed, in the USAF, literally I saw Mt. Ararat multiple times. There were lots of expeditions to Ararat searching for the Mountain that houses in it's Glaziers and Ice, Noah's Ark. Turkey did not want to start an international incident, Outlawed more expeditions to the Noah's Ark suspected site. Here is a video that explains what brought about the Banning of expeditions in 1975. I suspect it goes much deeper into the Muslim Religion, than that. They are Afraid it will bring more TRUST in the BIBLE, than the KORAN.

 

[Deborah_]

You need to learn history better.
they found cuneiform tablets in ancient Ur that date at the time of Abraham over 400 years before Moses. Whether it was in alphabet or pictoral writing matters not. Moses had the records which were passed down.

Cuneiform is not alphabetic writing but something totally different. There is however NO evidence that the Israelites possessed any written documents (even clay tablets) before the time of Moses. The earliest reference to writing in the Bible is in Exodus 17:14.
In all probability, Noah lived many millennia before Abraham (and Ur). There is a Flood story recorded on Sumerian tablets - but even that would have been handed down orally for centuries before being recorded.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Cuneiform is not alphabetic writing but something totally different. There is however NO evidence that the Israelites possessed any written documents (even clay tablets) before the time of Moses. The earliest reference to writing in the Bible is in Exodus 17:14.
In all probability, Noah lived many millennia before Abraham (and Ur). There is a Flood story recorded on Sumerian tablets - but even that would have been handed down orally for centuries before being recorded.

No, but a form of writing that told things just like an alphabetic writing.

Noah lived only 400 years before Abraham.

And their was writing long before. they have recovered clay tablets from Ur of the Chaldees that may have been attributed to Abraham. Which means that the pictograph alphabets were in existence long before Abraham.

You are merely speculating without actual evidence.

 

[TinMan]

The videos showed he was wrong. the eruption left sedimentary strates through rock, limestone and sandstone and created sandstone sediments. It also carved a canyon where there was none in days. what more do you need. It is not absolute proof of the flood, but it shows the scientific validity of the flood.

Do you know what limestone even is?

yes his undocumented opinion. He did not go to Mt. St. Helens to rebut the claims of the PHD geologists from ICR who spent months and years in research there. He just sat back and offered opinion.

You don't need to go to the south pole to prove flat earthers are wrong.

Well let us destroy lie one:

shale, any of a group of fine-grained, laminated sedimentary rocks consisting of silt- and clay-sized particles. Shale is the most abundant of the sedimentary rocks, accounting for roughly 70 percent of this rock type in the crust of the Earth.


Shales are often found with layers of sandstone or limestone. They typically form in environments where muds, silts, and other sediments were deposited by gentle transporting currents and became compacted, as, for example, the deep-ocean floor, basins of shallow seas, river floodplains, and playas. Most shales occur in extensive sheets several metres thick, though some develop in lenticular formations.

Do we really need to go into the minutae of flood waters at every single moment or you?

Were the flood waters gentle or stagnant intermittently? and how does that work with the idea that the continents were sliding all over the place at the same time?

Dating of shale:

Rhenium-Osmium method another failed and wildly flawed and unvalidated radiometric form of dating! but nice try.

Evidence?

 

[TinMan]

You need to learn history better.
they found cuneiform tablets in ancient Ur that date at the time of Abraham over 400 years before Moses. Whether it was in alphabet or pictoral writing matters not. Moses had the records which were passed down.

Yes writing was developed in Sumar about 6000 years ago so it predates the supposed world wide flood....its also interesting to note that the Sumar culture didn't notice the flood leaving intact records that by your claims should have been buried under miles of freshly laid down sedimentary layers.

 

[TinMan]

No, but a form of writing that told things just like an alphabetic writing.

Noah lived only 400 years before Abraham.+

So where did all the people come from? Even supposing a fantastically high birth rate and no child mortality that 400 years would have only been lone enough to produce a population only in the thousands of individuals.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm going to the Life-size Noah’s Ark in a couple of weeks. I'll let you know.

Wow! Other worldly.

I only had 4 hours in my schedule. My estimate is that I saw only 25% of what the resort had to offer. Knowing that, I took a lot of pictures to read what was written on the walls.

At 3 PM, the founder of the Ark Encounter gave a talk. Sadly I had to leave at that time. They give talks throughout the day.

I suggested to my wife that we go in the Fall for 3 days. At our age, 4 or 5 hours on our feet is about the most we can do and still enjoy it.

There is a 10-story hotel right next door. We'll stay there. Go if you have the chance. Many wore tee-shirts with Christian messages. An unapologetically Christian tourist attraction.

 

[ChristisGod]

Is the flood of Genesis story literal? I have always thought that it was because Jesus referred to the days of Noah and AIG and YECs do a good job of presenting it as literal, what do y’all think? Are Noah’s ark and flood literal scientific facts? « SMR blog

1. A large percentage of the world’s fauna, including, for example, dodos, sloths, penguins, kangaroos, koalas and many other species, are not native to the Middle East (assuming that was the location of Noah’s ark). How did they travel there to board the ark?
2. Island species are particularly vulnerable to predators — when predators have been introduced to an island, they often drive indigenous species to extinction (as has happened in Australia, Hawaii, the Galapagos and numerous other islands). Thus such species would not have been able to survive in the Middle East, away from their naturally protected habitats.
3. The total mass of on-board animals would have been some 400,000 kg, if only yearlings were taken, or some 5 million kg, if adults were taken. Either figure is far more than could be accommodated in the ark as described in the Bible and reconstructed in Kentucky.
4. The figures in the previous item do not include food and water for a one-year sojourn, which would multiply the weight by at least 10 times if not more. Further, many animals require special diets — silkworms require mulberry leaves, Pandas require bamboo, and snakes, for example, require fresh food. How could fresh food be provided for a full year?
5. How could large numbers of animals be protected from the many on-board predators, such as lions and tigers?

Because God is a Miracle working God who could of caused them to sleep/hibernate if He wanted to. And who says they were Adult animals on the Ark ? They could of been babies or young animals for all we know.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you know what limestone even is?

Yup

You don't need to go to the south pole to prove flat earthers are wrong.

No but the information supplied by the ICR and AIG PhD geologists requires a visit or an in depth video to study and research to rebut with any intelligence.

Were the flood waters gentle or stagnant intermittently? and how does that work with the idea that the continents were sliding all over the place at the same time?

The bible nor me said the super continent split apart during the flood! So this is an irrelevant statement

Evidence?

It starts with the same flawed and untestable unobservable conclusions drawn by many. That RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS DECAY AT A CONSTANT RATE ALL TEH TIME. NOTHING CAN ALTER THE DECAY RATE EVER.

Both of these premises have been empirically proven false both by demonstartion.

Yes writing was developed in Sumar about 6000 years ago so it predates the supposed world wide flood....its also interesting to note that the Sumar culture didn't notice the flood leaving intact records that by your claims should have been buried under miles of freshly laid down sedimentary layers.

Well that they have found YET! But Just like the mockers and scoffers who thought they knew better dismissed the city of Nineveh ever existing- until it was found!

So where did all the people come from? Even supposing a fantastically high birth rate and no child mortality that 400 years would have only been lone enough to produce a population only in the thousands of individuals.

Wrong again! Priot to the twentieth century and the industrial revolution and urbanization of people, familes always had high birth rates. And in the OT times prior to Israel it appears to be even higher!

So you start with three couples of child bearing age leaving the ark (Shem, Ham, Japheth) and say you have six surviving children from each, and remember, people bore children starting at a younger age back then. And assume a mean age of 40 years /generation (though they lived much longer back then)

3X6= 18
18X6= 128
128X6 =768
768X6= 4608
4608X6= 27648
27648X6= 165888
165888X6= 995328
995328X6= 5971968
5971968X6=35831808

So after 9 40 year generations,the earth could have had 35, 831, 808 people on it. And the vast bulk of them would have been in the ME.

 

[TinMan]

Yup

then you know limestone isn't volcanic and no matter how hard you pretend no limestone formed on Mt' St Hellens in 1982.

No but the information supplied by the ICR and AIG PhD geologists requires a visit or an in depth video to study and research to rebut with any intelligence.

No it doesn't.

The bible nor me said the super continent split apart during the flood! So this is an irrelevant statement

"I am simply telling you that we have an eyewitness report of the breakup of the super continent. But you would prefer the testimony of men who were no there and did not see it over those who were! Given the extreme violence of the initial geologic activity of the flood,I could give you valid theories based on modern observation as to how a conitnent would break up and that teh drift would be faster initiallyu and then as inertia waned, would slow down."

It starts with the same flawed and untestable unobservable conclusions drawn by many. That RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS DECAY AT A CONSTANT RATE ALL TEH TIME. NOTHING CAN ALTER THE DECAY RATE EVER.

No it starts with observations like elemental decay rate of distant supernovas, the rate of decay is in perfect step with how far away that nova is. There are literally hundreds of ways such decay is verifiable and it would just take a moment on Google to start finding out about them

Both of these premises have been empirically proven false both by demonstartion.

Reference?

Well that they have found YET! But Just like the mockers and scoffers who thought they knew better dismissed the city of Nineveh ever existing- until it was found!

What has been found is a constant unbroken written record and no where did anyone ever mention anything about their civilization being destroyed by a flood. I really think they would have noticed.

Wrong again! Priot to the twentieth century and the industrial revolution and urbanization of people, familes always had high birth rates. And in the OT times prior to Israel it appears to be even higher!

In medieval Europe the average woman did not marry until she was about 25 and had between 4 and 6 children. "Even through women may have conceived frequently, each pregnancy had no better than a 50% chance of going to term.” The mortality rate of those children was 50% by age 5. Ref: David Cressy Birth, Marriage, and Death in the Middle Ages Oxford University Press 1997

So you start with three couples of child bearing age leaving the ark (Shem, Ham, Japheth) and say you have six surviving children from each, and remember, people bore children starting at a younger age back then. And assume a mean age of 40 years /generation (though they lived much longer back then)

3X6= 18
18X6= 128
128X6 =768
768X6= 4608
4608X6= 27648
27648X6= 165888
165888X6= 995328
995328X6= 5971968
5971968X6=35831808

So after 9 40 year generations,the earth could have had 35, 831, 808 people on it. And the vast bulk of them would have been in the ME.

Your math is horrible 3x6=18 but only half of those would be giving birth to the next generation so the next generation would 9 women giving birth to 54 children and then 26 women giving birth to the following generation. After 10 generations (the bible states that there were 10 generations between Noah and Abraham - i'm surprised you don't know this) you would end up with 14,215 women ready to give birth to the next generation and an equal number of men so a total of people 28,400 people by the time of Abraham.