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"The Greek practice of changing personal names, of removing the abbreviated forms of rival deities by exchanging them with the abbreviated forms of their main god Zeus, can already be seen in the changes in the Hebrew prophets. The Greek approach was simple. They simply replaced those words that referred to the Hebrew Almighty with names or letters that referred to their supreme deity - Zeus. The name Jesus was thus formed from two words: "Ie" and "Sous". Now there was a God in the Trinity of Babylon whose name was "Ie" (God of Salvation). Zeus was both the supreme god and the Greek saviour. "Ie" coupled with "Sous" (the final part of Zeus) gives the Greek form of Iesous "the reconciling Zeus", now called Jesus in English."
George Campbell, The four Gospels, Translated from the Greek with Preliminary Dissertations, and Notes Critical and Explanatory, Bd. 1, London 1834, S. 166
 
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"Jesus" in the Early Greek Manuscripts
Codex Sinaticus

Nomina Sacra and the Name Ἰησοῦς


by John J. Parsons

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THE CODEX SINATICUS
(Σιναϊτικός Κώδικας, 'the Sinai Book') is said to be the earliest complete codex (book) of the Christian Bible, though of course there are thousands of earlier extant manuscipt fragments, some of which date as early as the 1st century AD (for instance, the John Rylands Papyri dates the Gospel of John to the 1st century AD itself). Scholars say the codex was likely written in Rome sometime during the latter half of the 4th century AD. While the name "Jesus" (i.e., Iesous: Ἰησοῦς) does not explicitly appear in the New Testament of this codex, the "nomina sacra," or sacred abbreviation "ΙΣ" is used throughout. Bruce Metzger's book Manuscripts of the Greek Bible lists several of the nomina sacra found in the earliest Greek texts, including: " ΘΣ", (Θεός, God), "ΙΣ" (Jesus), "ΧΣ" (Χριστός - "Christ") "ΣΗΡ" (Savior), "ΚΣ" ( Κύριος - Lord), "ΥΣ" (Υἱός - Son), "ΣΤΣ" (Σταυρός - cross), and so on. The use of the nomina sacra for the name Iesous therefore indicates the special status ascribed to this name by the earliest copyists...

The most important ancient targum (translation) of the Torah is the "Translation of the Seventy" (also known as the Septuagint or LXX), which was originally produced by 70 Jewish translators for Greek-speaking Jews in Egypt during the 3rd-2nd centuries B.C. Although the Septuagint is useful for doing biblical research, it must be remembered that it is a Greek translation of the Masoretic Text and therefore should not be given linguistic priority over the original Hebrew. That being said, the LXX does provide insight about how Hebrew words and concepts were translated into Koine (common) Greek for Jews of that time.

For instance, the Septuagint uses the Greek name ᾽Ιησοῦς (pronounced yay-soos) to translate the Hebrew name "Joshua" (i.e., Yehoshua: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ), a name formed through the combination of YHVH (יְהוָה) and yasha (יָשַׁע), meaning "YHVH saves." Later Yehoshua was shortened to "Yeshua" (יֵשׁוּעַ), though this name, too, was also translated as ᾽Ιησοῦς in the Septuagint (1 Chron. 24:11; Neh. 8:17). Similarly, the Septuagint used the word "christos" (χριστός) for the Hebrew term "mashiach" or "the anointed" (הַמָּשִׁיחַ).




Some people attempt to impugn the name "Jesus" by claiming that it is of pagan origin. For example, some claim that Greek name Iesous is derived from the name "Zeus" (Ζεύς), even though it is clear that "Zeus" comes from an ancient Phoenician god named Baal Tzephon (בַּעַל צְפן, i.e., "Beelzebub"). Others want to say that "Jesus" should be rendered as "YAHushua" or "YAHoshua" (or some variant thereof), appending YAH (יָהּ) as part of the name, regardless of the fact that this is not attested to by any historical Hebrew usage. Contrary to this, it is clear that the original writers of the New Testament transliterated the Hebrew name Yeshua (ישוע) as Ἰησοῦς [Iēsous], in agreement with the LXX's earlier usage. Indeed many of the early "church fathers" used the name Iesous (Ιησους) to refer to the Messiah. For instance Polycarp (70-155), Clement (c 96-110), Ignatius of Antioch (c 110 AD), and Justin Martyr (c. 100–165) all wrote in Koine Greek and plainly used the name "Iesous" to refer to the Savior. Moreover the Didache (Διδαχὴ), dating from the first century AD, uses the name as well. For example: "First, concerning the cup: We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which Thou madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant (᾽Ιησοῦ τοῦ παιδός σου); to Thee be the glory for ever (Did. 9:2).

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The fact that the Greek name for "Jesus" does not explicitly appear in the Codex Sinaticus should not cause alarm to those who understand the facts about textual transmission and the practices of the scribal arts. The ancient New Testament copyists and scribes used the nomina sacra "ΙΣ" to abbreviate and refer to ΙΗΣΟΥΣ (i.e., Iesous, i.e., "Jesus"), thereby ascribing special sanctity to that name... Regarding the name YAHshua, on the other hand, there is simply no manuscript evidence whatsoever, nor is there any linguistic connection between Yehoshua and YAH. Beware of those people who attempt to "correct" the Name of the Savior through spurious reasoning and appeals to vanity, chaverim....

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"The Greek practice of changing personal names, of removing the abbreviated forms of rival deities by exchanging them with the abbreviated forms of their main god Zeus, can already be seen in the changes in the Hebrew prophets. The Greek approach was simple. They simply replaced those words that referred to the Hebrew Almighty with names or letters that referred to their supreme deity - Zeus. The name Jesus was thus formed from two words: "Ie" and "Sous". Now there was a God in the Trinity of Babylon whose name was "Ie" (God of Salvation). Zeus was both the supreme god and the Greek saviour. "Ie" coupled with "Sous" (the final part of Zeus) gives the Greek form of Iesous "the reconciling Zeus", now called Jesus in English."
George Campbell, The four Gospels, Translated from the Greek with Preliminary Dissertations, and Notes Critical and Explanatory, Bd. 1, London 1834, S. 166

Campbrell, though anagnostic or atheist is pretty accurate in history.

But even if this is true, we also know Jesus is the anglicized from of Jeshua or Jehoshua. God knows who we are calling on! He sees our heart and not so much our linguistics.
 

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Campbrell, though anagnostic or atheist is pretty accurate in history.

But even if this is true, we also know Jesus is the anglicized from of Jeshua or Jehoshua. God knows who we are calling on! He sees our heart and not so much our linguistics.
This is something very confusing what you say. Of course God sees the spirit of everyone, but would God allow His servants to call on the name of pagan? He would get that one out of there, but leave the others in there. Paul was also a wicked man, but God knew what he could be, and so he got him out of his stupidity. Paul thought he was wise in what he did, but when he saw true wisdom, he was in shock. His whole life was a lie, he served Satan.
 
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"The Greek practice of changing personal names, of removing the abbreviated forms of rival deities by exchanging them with the abbreviated forms of their main god Zeus, can already be seen in the changes in the Hebrew prophets. The Greek approach was simple. They simply replaced those words that referred to the Hebrew Almighty with names or letters that referred to their supreme deity - Zeus. The name Jesus was thus formed from two words: "Ie" and "Sous". Now there was a God in the Trinity of Babylon whose name was "Ie" (God of Salvation). Zeus was both the supreme god and the Greek saviour. "Ie" coupled with "Sous" (the final part of Zeus) gives the Greek form of Iesous "the reconciling Zeus", now called Jesus in English."
George Campbell, The four Gospels, Translated from the Greek with Preliminary Dissertations, and Notes Critical and Explanatory, Bd. 1, London 1834, S. 166
It seems to me that the error here is to ascribe a Greek pagan source to the name Iesous, when it was used by the ancient Hebrews.

"Ie" coupled with "Sous" (the final part of Zeus)

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There is no "sous" as a "final part of "Zeus". These are fully different names. But I do know at least one person who would make the same claim today, that in worshiping Jesus we are really worshiping Zeus. So some things don't change.

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This is something very confusing what you say. Of course God sees the spirit of everyone, but would God allow His servants to call on the name of pagan? He would get that one out of there, but leave the others in there. Paul was also a wicked man, but God knew what he could be, and so he got him out of his stupidity. Paul thought he was wise in what he did, but when he saw true wisdom, he was in shock. His whole life was a lie, he served Satan.

Well:

Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.
Related names: Joshua, Yeshua, Isa
Pronunciation: /ˈdʒiːzəs/

It doesn't matter at all about Zeus! When we say Jesus we mean God the son who became man and died to pay and remove our sins!
 
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"The Greek practice of changing personal names, of removing the abbreviated forms of rival deities by exchanging them with the abbreviated forms of their main god Zeus, can already be seen in the changes in the Hebrew prophets. The Greek approach was simple. They simply replaced those words that referred to the Hebrew Almighty with names or letters that referred to their supreme deity - Zeus. The name Jesus was thus formed from two words: "Ie" and "Sous". Now there was a God in the Trinity of Babylon whose name was "Ie" (God of Salvation). Zeus was both the supreme god and the Greek saviour. "Ie" coupled with "Sous" (the final part of Zeus) gives the Greek form of Iesous "the reconciling Zeus", now called Jesus in English."
George Campbell, The four Gospels, Translated from the Greek with Preliminary Dissertations, and Notes Critical and Explanatory, Bd. 1, London 1834, S. 166
i tried to bring this out a couple months ago...but ya. You got there a diff way maybe, but its part of why we call Jesus Jesus instead of Joshua i guess
 

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Also the prophets were never believed, they came often, but the people said: "We serve the true God!"
Most people just don't want to believe that their whole life was a lie, that their parents, their family and the whole country was a lie. But that is why the Messiah came, for he said: "I have not come to bring peace, but the sword."
In the end we will see who was right and who was wrong, who will remain in death forever and who will not.
So keep on believing in your Trinity and in the name Jesus and keep on kneeling before his image.
 
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Also the prophets were never believed, they came often, but the people said: "We serve the true God!"
Most people just don't want to believe that their whole life was a lie, that their parents, their family and the whole country was a lie. But that is why the Messiah came, for he said: "I have not come to bring peace, but the sword."
In the end we will see who was right and who was wrong, who will remain in death forever and who will not.
So keep on believing in your Trinity and in the name Jesus and keep on kneeling before his image.
hey, you gotta start somewhere eh, the oaks of Mamre is by definition...ok, by extraction, not the ideal model i guess, "a single tree?" it even contrasts you wont run out of towns before I come i think
Oak of Mamre | Wikiwand
 
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Well:

Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.
Related names: Joshua, Yeshua, Isa
Pronunciation: /ˈdʒiːzəs/

It doesn't matter at all about Zeus! When we say Jesus we mean God the son who became man and died to pay and remove our sins!
You guys can believe what you want....that why it is called a belief but....
The letter "J" did not exist in any language until 1400 years after Christ.
The Greek and Latin names mean nothing because Christ's name was Hebrew and can be spelled in English, and it actually sounds like His name. Yeshua or Yahshua kinda like Ed and Edward.

Some believe that there is power in God's name.
Some believe that there is only one name that can be called upon for salvation.
It is an historical fact that "Jesus" was never a word or name until the 1500's, it never appeared in history before that.
 
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so yes, we have a further translation into english to deal with
This is something very confusing what you say. Of course God sees the spirit of everyone, but would God allow His servants to call on the name of pagan? He would get that one out of there, but leave the others in there. Paul was also a wicked man, but God knew what he could be, and so he got him out of his stupidity. Paul thought he was wise in what he did, but when he saw true wisdom, he was in shock. His whole life was a lie, he served Satan.
so, we got Greek gods all through our "Holy" Scripture eh, Hades, etc, and yes, there ends up being two messages imo bc after all what did you go out into the wilderness to see?

iow no one is going to be much interested in ego...in "dying," right, even if only to self; so a little Immortality schtick gotta be included in the invite apparently, a la Zeus, yes :)
only that has to be buried too i guess
but its all in there huh
 
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It seems to me that the error here is to ascribe a Greek pagan source to the name Iesous, when it was used by the ancient Hebrews.

"Ie" coupled with "Sous" (the final part of Zeus)

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There is no "sous" as a "final part of "Zeus". These are fully different names. But I do know at least one person who would make the same claim today, that in worshiping Jesus we are really worshiping Zeus. So some things don't change.

Much love!
so, we have a Hebrew guy speaking Aramaic, named (in Hebrew, the language Jews refrained from speaking out of embarrassment, right, "dont speak to us in Hebrew") Joshua, and what you say might be true from strictly one pov, but ends up being possible in another pov i guess, the Aramaic (Greek) one

Why dont we call Jesus "Joshua," via the Hebrew, iyo? But first imo we should understand that Zeus and Athena worshippers were not "bad" or "evil," and that that was just the best model they had then i guess
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or iow
"Why Isnt the NT Written in Hebrew?"

which i cant even search from an ipad, it tries to take me to the translator to put "why isnt the NT" into Hebrew lol
so helpful
so id prolly ignore most of pg 1 in any successful search there too btw
and therefore should not be given linguistic priority over the original Hebrew.
 
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Well:

Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.
Related names: Joshua, Yeshua, Isa
Pronunciation: /ˈdʒiːzəs/

It doesn't matter at all about Zeus! When we say Jesus we mean God the son who became man and died to pay and remove our sins!

Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.

You have this whole statement messed up

ישוע‎ is how Christ's name is written in Hebrew, pronounced Yeshua in English...dʒiːzəs is an attempt to write the English name Jesus in Hebrew. dʒiːzəs it is not part of any kind of biblical translation.

dʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς),

No it is not. Again dʒiːzəs is an attempt to write the English word Jesus to Hebrew. Christ did not get His name from the Greeks, His name is Hebrew and it is from the Hebrew language. In Greek the word Iēsous means to deliver or to rescue

Yeshua means Yahweh is my salvation or Yahweh is salvation. There would be no reason for the Greeks to have a word in their language that means Yahweh is my salvation. So they assigned a Greek word for him that was descriptive in the Greek. Iēsous means to deliver or to rescue

Again no "J" in the scriptures...Old or New Testament. Common name...Yeshua not Joshua.
 
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Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.

You have this whole statement messed up

ישוע‎ is how Christ's name is written in Hebrew, pronounced Yeshua in English...dʒiːzəs is an attempt to write the English name Jesus in Hebrew. dʒiːzəs it is not part of any kind of biblical translation.

dʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς),

No it is not. Again dʒiːzəs is an attempt to write the English word Jesus to Hebrew. Christ did not get His name from the Greeks, His name is Hebrew and it is from the Hebrew language. In Greek the word Iēsous means to deliver or to rescue

Yeshua means Yahweh is my salvation or Yahweh is salvation. There would be no reason for the Greeks to have a word in their language that means Yahweh is my salvation. So they assigned a Greek word for him that was descriptive in the Greek. Iēsous means to deliver or to rescue

Again no "J" in the scriptures...Old or New Testament. Common name...Yeshua not Joshua.

Well until you show me you rlinguistic degrees, I will take the word of these dictionaries with native speakers helping make the dictionary!

And Yes there is no "j" sound in hebrew.

And you messed up for that dʒiːzəs is going from English to greek! NOT HEBREW!

So now show why you are correct ands these experts are wrong and I will listen to, though you lost alot of my confidence with you screwing the pooch on teh line above.
 
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You guys can believe what you want....that why it is called a belief but....
The letter "J" did not exist in any language until 1400 years after Christ.
The Greek and Latin names mean nothing because Christ's name was Hebrew and can be spelled in English, and it actually sounds like His name. Yeshua or Yahshua kinda like Ed and Edward.

Some believe that there is power in God's name.
Some believe that there is only one name that can be called upon for salvation.
It is an historical fact that "Jesus" was never a word or name until the 1500's, it never appeared in history before that.
When the KJV was written, "J" was pronounced like "Y".

Koine Greek didn't have a "soft g" sound, only a "hard g". If I remember correctly, Hebrew also.

When the KJV was translated, when you read, Jesus, you would pronounce it "Ye-suz", a pretty good transliteration. Then "J" took on the 'soft g' sound, and that changed.

Power in God's Name, well, that's an interesting question. Not in the form of "words of power", I don't think that's what you mean. Only because you are calling on God, and He is powerful!

One by which we must be saved . . . my name is Mark. Sometimes the guys as work call me Marco, I've been mistakenly called Marcus, in each case, I know it's me they are addressing. And my normal response is to recognize they are calling me, and to respond to them.

I suppose it's what you feel the most important, that they make the connection with you, or that they get your name pronunciation right.

Much love!
 
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When the KJV was written, "J" was pronounced like "Y".

Koine Greek didn't have a "soft g" sound, only a "hard g". If I remember correctly, Hebrew also.

When the KJV was translated, when you read, Jesus, you would pronounce it "Ye-suz", a pretty good transliteration. Then "J" took on the 'soft g' sound, and that changed.

Power in God's Name, well, that's an interesting question. Not in the form of "words of power", I don't think that's what you mean. Only because you are calling on God, and He is powerful!

One by which we must be saved . . . my name is Mark. Sometimes the guys as work call me Marco, I've been mistakenly called Marcus, in each case, I know it's me they are addressing. And my normal response is to recognize they are calling me, and to respond to them.

I suppose it's what you feel the most important, that they make the connection with you, or that they get your name pronunciation right.

Much love!

I sit confidently knowing that the Master knows His name in every single language spoken by man!
 
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You guys can believe what you want....that why it is called a belief but....
The letter "J" did not exist in any language until 1400 years after Christ.
The Greek and Latin names mean nothing because Christ's name was Hebrew and can be spelled in English, and it actually sounds like His name. Yeshua or Yahshua kinda like Ed and Edward.

Some believe that there is power in God's name.
Some believe that there is only one name that can be called upon for salvation.
It is an historical fact that "Jesus" was never a word or name until the 1500's, it never appeared in history before that.

Well once you are done straining out all teh gnats, just remember we englishspeakers have been calling HIm Jesus for that is how it translates out for us!

Afrikaans Jesus
Albanian Jezui
Arabic `Isà عيسى‎ (Islamic or classical arabic) / Yasū` يسوع‎ (Christian or latter Arabic)
Amharic ኢየሱስ
Aragonese Chesús
Aramaic/Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)
Arberesh Isuthi
Armenian Հիսուս (Eastern Armenian) Յիսուս (Western Armenian) (Hisus)
Azerbaijani İsa
Belarusian Ісус (Isus) (Orthodox) / Езус (Yezus) (Catholic)
Bengali যীশু (Jeeshu/Zeeshu) (Christian) 'ঈসা ('Eesa) (General)
Breton Jezuz
Bulgarian Исус (Isus)
Catalan Jesús
Chinese simplified Chinese: 耶稣; traditional Chinese: 耶穌; pinyin: Yēsū
Coptic Ⲓⲏⲥⲟⲩⲥ
Cornish Yesu
Croatian Isus
Czech Ježíš
Dutch Jezus
Estonian Jeesus
Filipino Jesús (Christian and secular) / Hesús or Hesukristo (religious)
Fijian Jisu
Finnish Jeesus
French Jésus
Galician Xesús
Garo Jisu
Georgian იესო (Ieso)
Ghanaian Yesu
Greek Ιησούς (Iisús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole Jezi
Hausa Yesu
Hawaiian Jesu
Hebrew Yeshua/Y'shua יֵשׁוּעַ‎
Hindustani ईसा / عيسى (īsā)
Hmong Daw Yexus
Hungarian Jézus
Icelandic Jesús
Igbo Jisos
Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish Íosa
Italian Gesù
Japanese イエス (Iesu)/イエズス (Iezusu)(Catholic)/ゼス(zesu) ゼズス(zezusu)(Kirishitan)イイスス(Iisusu)(Eastern Orthodox)
Jinghpaw Yesu
Kannada ಯೇಸು (Yesu)
Kazakh Иса (Isa)
Khasi Jisu
Khmer យេស៑ូវ (Yesu)

In all these languages.Jesus knows His name!
 
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