Revelation 13 already has the evil beast world system impowered on earth, Rev 14 comes after that, so the sickles cannot be harvesting the earth in a pretrib pov is it. Yet you stated the first sickle harvest was the rapture come before the tribulation time frame.
The 6th kingdom, yes. Not the 8th kingdom.
You are trying to claim Revelation 14 happens before the 7th Trumpet even sounds. The 7th Trumpet sounded back in Revelation 11.
The 7th Trumpet is a week long event.
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
The 7th Trumpet is this week of days.
Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven when the 7th Trumpet sounds. So for that week there are thousands of humans still left on earth, if not millions. This is when the Son defers to God's foreknowledge to see if any are left in the Lamb's book of life who will be beheaded. That is the confirmation with the many. The many are the beheaded. Otherwise at the end of 7 days, all the rest are harvested in the winepress of God's wrath.
The 8th kingdom splits the week of the 7th Trumpet in the midst of this week. Revelation 14 is the week left whole, not split in half.
How can you reconcile these two facts:
"And it was given unto him to
make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
"and
them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name."
So tell me which scenario really happens?
In Revelation 14 we have a final winepress of God's wrath. Then those on the Sea of Glass start the Millennium. They have the victory.
Then after the 8th kingdom, after 42 months, we have another final winepress of God's wrath:
"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and
he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."
"And
the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."
Two different versions of the same winepress. But one version happens 42 months prior to the other version. One takes place near Jerusalem, and the other 60 miles north east of Jerusalem at Mt. Megiddo.
One version has a victory over the beast the week of the 7th Trumpet, no interruption to the week. The other version gives the beast the victory and he rules for 42 months, but is destroyed at Mount Megiddo. The week of the 7th Trumpet is split in half.
One version: all humanity is killed and no 8th kingdom; Revelation 14.
One version: all humanity is killed at Armageddon after the 8th kingdom lasted only 42 months. Revelation 19.
One version gives those on the sea of glass victory immediately at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, by week's end.
One version says they wait on the sea of glass for 42 months and then descend on white horses at Armageddon.
Neither point out a resurrection and rapture. The point is still about cleaning house and removing Adam's transgression from off the earth.
The Second Coming was at the 6th Seal, so that when the 7th Seal is opened, the final harvest can start. The sheep and goat judgment is first during the first 6 Trumpets. The church was glorified in the 5th Seal. So any rapture and resurrection was experienced at the point the church was glorified. That is what Paul and other NT writers claim.
